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Unions have place in society but must walk line
Published 9:45am Tuesday, July 24, 2012I have worked both as a union employee and for a company that wasn’t union. I agree that the union shop is the best to work under.
However, in some cases and I will try to show a few, they priced themselves out of work.
I worked at Alpha Portland Cement Co. and that was a union shop. They told me how long it should take to do a job. I did that job in less than two hours and was told by the boss that the union classified it as eight hours and to look busy for six more hours.
So, when they didn’t make money, they went out of business.
Another union, Armco Steel, went on strike in 1959. The union held out long enough for foreign steel to start selling in the U.S. and they got their way, but many more Americans lost their jobs.
The Dayton Malleable plant went on strike. The men said they would hold out and buy the locks for the doors.
Well, they got the chance.
As I said in the beginning, I prefer a union job to non-union, however when the union prices itself above the company and they can’t make money, all lose in the long run.
This is just a sample of the many companies that have left Ironton.
The union was the best thing that ever happened to the working man.
However, when the union bosses think more of the union dues than for the working man the system is wrong.
While at work, I was a union steward for many years. I won many grievances for the men and wouldn’t file a grievance unless we were in the right.
I finished up my career as a company man. However, I still held up for those in the right.
I am a conservative who believes that there is good in both parties and, whether a Democrat or Republican, right is right and wrong is wrong — no matter what is before or after your name.
Don’t be like Jim Crawford and only hold one party guilty of wrong doing, hold both to the same standard.
Homer Campbell
Ironton
Sheriff’s deputy goes above, beyond call of duty
I would like to take a minute to give a very special “thank you” to our Lawrence County Sheriff’s Office.
Tuesday evening, while on my way home out State Route 141 and trying to beat the dark, I came upon a very bad wreck and was told the road would be closed for at least two hours. I was routed back to State Route 93 and given direction to Lake Vesuvius, etc.
These were all dark roads I was lost on. I made it to the lake entrance and didn’t know my way home.
A nice man came to my aid – seeing how upset I was. He was a Lawrence County Sheriff’s Deputy, Randy Goodall. He said, “Follow me” and he led me through all those dark roads and past the wreck to home.
Thank you sir for your kindness to a stranger in need.
God be with you.
Donna Wooten
Kitts Hill
Mick,You make some very good points and I feel the same way on them.
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Tax Payer dollars should go to public schools. If an individual chooses to send his child to a private school, that is his or her decision. They are not forced to do this.
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So Mick, you prefer that the parents that can’t afford a better school for their children not have the same option as the more affluent?
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indie; I do take into consideration the You Tube Video address you mentioned. Actions and achievements speak louder than words. I also agree, the Grand Old Party has been less than cooperative. Is there a possibility that the GOP is standing on more firm moral grounds.
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indie; I concur, Bin Laden was eliminated under Obama’s watch, but was this do more to happenstance than initiative? Health Care? Yes, a step forward, but lacking due to the freedom of conscience. Economic stability? Yes, improvement. Moral integrity? (killing of the unborn, same sex marriage) sadly lacking. A definite example of poor leadership and moral fiber.
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And now back to Homer’s article
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Opposition to voucher programs by teachers unions is nothing new across the United States, as the unions fight to keep taxpayer dollars in public schools and to keep unionized teachers in classrooms. However, the tactics of the Louisiana teachers union appears especially aggressive.
“We’ve never seen anybody go after private schools like this,” Susan Meyers, spokeswoman for the Friedman Foundation for Educational Choice, said Monday. “To actually intimidate, it borders on thuggery.”
Meyers said such a response suggests the union is fighting to keep teachers employed amid a major expansion of the program while Louisiana has one of the most under-performing public school systems in the country.
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indie; You are correct, “Obama is no Jimmy Carter.” However, I take exception to your comment about Obama taking the reins and providing the leadership to get America turned back around. There has been more dissension and less quality accomplishment by any president in my lifetime. The Obama administration has been a complete disaster, due to inept leadership.
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Mick, I will mention again the video on YouTube “Obama Addresses GOP on its Talking Points” to see where Obama tried to go across the aisle and how he wanted to work with the republicans. I don’t think he can be blamed for them deciding before day one that they’d never work with him…and, in fact, that defeating him was their number one priority.
Even without the republicans, Obama got a lot done. The economy has added jobs steadily. Yes, not as fast as anyone wants but Obama has done all he could without any cooperation from the other party.
He got health care passed and only time will tell how that will go down. I suspect that once it’s fully implemented and after Obama will no longer be running for office the program will be very popular.
The Big 3 auto makers are still in business and, in fact, recovered. You can’t underestimate the impact of this on the economy. If you’re not happy with the jobs numbers now, just imagine what they’d been if one or two of the big 3 American auto manufacturers had gone under and the ripple effect that would have had throughout our economy.
Let’s not forget that we got Bin Laden under President Obama’s watch. You can say whatever you want to try to discredit that or take some of the credit away from him but you can’t change the fact that we caught the culprit behind 9/11 under Obama’s watch.
I could go on but there’s no need. I 100% guarantee you that you’ll hear Obama make the case for every accomplishment in each of his debates with Romney.
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Mike,Why do you hate Hawaii so much?
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1. More taxes just means more to spend. None would go towards the defecit with the existing whitehouse.
2. Perot just split the vote for the betterment of lover boy.
3 and 4. Carter is a good christian man and probably told fewer lies than most presidents. He just was not capable of running the nation. Obama is no Reagan and the best thing we could do is buy him a nice house in Hawaii with a good retirement and not let him off the island. With approval from the state of Hawaii that is.
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“More taxes just means more to spend. None would go towards the defecit with the existing whitehouse.”
Baloney Mike. When we had that rate under the Clinton administration, he left a balanced budget (no deficit) for George W. Bush. Obama wants to repeat that.
I agree with your point on Perot but, as for Obama, history will be the final judge. Just like many here hated on Clinton when he was in office but have to admit now that he did a great job on the economy…much better than the guy who followed him. A lot better than the one who came before him too.
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” If independents are for many things, they are foremost fiscally conservative.”
- Yep. That’s why I wanted Obama to raise the tax rate on the rich back up to 39.6% like it was in the Clinton years when the economy was booming (it’s at 35% now). The revenue would help cut the budget deficit. That’s fiscally conservative.
As for Perot, I liked him but he was really just too nutty to be handed the keys to our nukes in my opinion.
Finally, you guys are just wearing out this Carter/Reagan angle. I know that’s your guys fantasy scenario to have 2012 be 1980 all over again but, come on, you guys know this…
Obama is no Jimmy Carter and Romney is darn sure no Ronald Reagan. If anything, when it’s all said and done Obama is the one that will be compared to Reagan. Both will be looked back at as Presidents who took the reigns in very difficult times and provided the leadership to get America turned back around.
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I have to go with Noesis on the independents. Many voted for Obama in 2008 because they too were tired of Bush and knew McCain wasn’t going to be any different. They were at least excited about Obama because he was new to the political scene, except to those who watched the 2004 Democrat convention like I did and even I was impressed. What he said in 2004 made me wonder why he was still a democrat because what he said in his speech hasn’t been heard from a democrat since the 60′s. If independents are for many things, they are foremost fiscally conservative.They may be socially libertarian as am I, but there is a reason Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992 when earlier that year, Bush 41 had a 91% approval rating after the success of desert storm. There were two reasons why that happened. Bush raised taxes not only going back on his pledge of no new taxes, but proved that the cold war surplus that was promised after the collapse of the Soviet Uunion, was clearly spent on other social programs and still more taxes were raised. Ross Perot also emerged, more in opposition to Bush than Clinton, heck even Clinton wanted him in the debates and never criticized Perot that I can recall. Enough independents and republicans went for Perot, that he got 19% of the vote, the most of any 3rd party candidate in my lifetime that I can remember. Perot was the first fiscal conservative since Reagan and even Reagan had his faults there. Even I was po’d at Bush 41. He squandered all the good that Reagan did over 12 years by raising taxes after being convinced that the economy was worse than it actually was and lost to an unknown governor of Arkansas that basically was thrown at him to be devoured because Democrats believed they had no chance. Especially when Bush 41 had approval rating in the low 90′s early in an election year. Who knew that he would fall for a trick such as that he agreed to raise taxes. That is why Obama is in trouble. He has lost support among those that were enthusiastic about him in 2008. He has lost many independents. Students that once voted for him because they believed in and campained hard for him, are now unemployed after graduation, in debt and nowhere close to being like they were 4 years ago. Many low income families and those that are unemployed are frustrated because there are no jobs to be had and have little room for advancement or no raises because if the are lucky enough to still be employed, their employers have battened down the hatch, since 2007 mind you when Pelosi and Reid took the reigns of congress, and moreso in 2008 when Obama was elected. Obama at least can’t blamed for all that. Why else would the press be touting that the unemployment rate “is only 8.3%” when they agreed with Kerry 2004 and complained that the unemployment rate was “too high at 5.6%.” I think it was even lower but I will run with this figure. That is why I don’t believe polls or anything the press says. They lie, people lie to pollsters, it is all a game to them. Why else would Carter be up on Reagan in polls one week before the election in 1980 and get shellacked the following week. Thankfully for Carter, his VP tried in 1984 and got an even bigger butt whoopin that wiped out Carter’s re-election bid embarrassment. I liked Carter personally but he was a disaster. Much like Johnson was in his first elected term, Nixon in his second and Ford during his inherited presidency.
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I like to keep the polsters guessing. It’s much more fun to just hang up. That wouldn’t be you calling would it indie?
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Nah, not me Mike. Actually, I’m with you on this one. I don’t talk with actual pollsters either.
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“Ah, I see…. Your poll is a poll of one. I wonder what the accuracy of that poll is? ”
It’s pretty good on presidential elections. I’ve been right on picking every election since 1976, even though the guy I thought would win wasn’t always the one I wanted.
My guy won in ’76, ’80, ’84, ’92 and 2008. I didn’t like either choice in ’88, ’96 or 2000. I really didn’t like either candidate in 2004 either but, by that point, I thought Bush 2 was just awful.
So there you go Noesis. It’s not hard to see where I have switched, where my guy won but disappointed me in the first term and you see where I was very happy with my guy all the way through.
But back to your original question, the accuracy of my poll, it was right every time. I don’t expect you to take my word for that, but it is true.
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What did I win?”
Quit kidding around. You can’t verify my poll numbers until election day and you know that. I don’t really care what some statistician says right now.
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LOL, “your poll numbers”? Where was that poll taken at Independents for Obama? Mwhahahahaha!
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It’s just my opinion, really. I still bet it’ll be proven right though. How does that go?? Mwhahahahaha!
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Ah, I see…. Your poll is a poll of one. I wonder what the accuracy of that poll is?
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Indie: Nah, my poll says only the majority of independents will vote for Obama…but not all of them. My poll is right. Wanna bet?
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Sure!
From the PEW poll that you quoted:
The battle for independent voters remains tight. The current survey finds that 45% of independents back Romney and 43% Obama, which is virtually unchanged from earlier in July. Over the course of the year, independent support has wavered, with neither candidate holding a consistent advantage.
people-press*org/2012/08/02/romneys-personal-image-remains-negative/1/
What did I win? Besides showing that you don’t know what you are talking about…
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(CBS News) WASHINGTON – A new Politico-George Washington University poll shows Mitt Romney leading President Obama by one point, 48 to 47 percent.
In that poll, independent voters prefered Romney by a ten-point margin.
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Swing-voting independents see Barack Obama’s plans for the economy negatively rather than positively by 54-38 percent in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, marking the president’s challenges as he seeks re-election in still-troubled economic times.
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…a new McClatchy/Marist poll showing Obama edging Romney on both the economy and foreign policy.
–the real story in the poll is Obama’s continuing struggle with Independents.
Among true independents, who lean towards neither party, Romney is up 11-points over Obama, 44-33. Only 45% have a favorable view of Obama and just 44% approve of the job he is doing. Perhaps worse for Obama, Independents reject his latest tax plan by a 15-point margin. 51% believe the Bush tax cuts should be extended for all income-brackets, including the “top 2 percent”
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Indie, I’ll give you credit. Never have I seen anyone do a better “Baghdad Bob” impression than you. Unemployment rises, the economy is in shambles, spending is out of control, democrats are demoralized and yet you believe that “Dear Leader” will be winning in a landslide.
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Indie: All the independents are voting for Obama anyway so it doesn’t really matter, does it?
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Where did you learn to read from? From your own poll:
Independents are going for Romney 45%-43%.
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“Where did you learn to read from? From your own poll”
Nah, my poll says only the majority of independents will vote for Obama…but not all of them. My poll is right. Wanna bet?
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“This person Indie comes from seems raised under a rock as the comments seem to always reflect those of the liberal socialist she is and her…”
Why are you so mad Tiger? Am I getting under your skin or something??
I mean, I thought Noesis was the one who fantasized about me being a girl in their comments in this forum. To his credit, he’s backed off of that lately.
And socialism again? It seems like when you get really upset you don’t know how to express yourself so you have to resort to throwing out words you think have some kind of emotional payload. You know…”socialist”, “fascist” and so forth.
I do appreciate it that you feel like you want to acknowledge me somehow in every comment you make. At least I know you’re reading my comments
Let me try to calm you down tiger534.
After Obama beats Romney in a few months, sure you will probably cry for a few days. You’ll be bitter for a while. You might lose a little sleep and suffer from depression. You’ll be OK though. Your buddies Noesis and the gang will be going through it together with you and you guys will pull through.
After a couple of months you will start to recognize that America isn’t really going to go belly-under with Barack Obama in charge for another four years.
You will start to see that it’s better for you guys to focus on 2016 than it is to spin into the wind and fight with Obama for another 4 years. You will start to actually root for America again and be glad when you see President Obama rack up accomplishments up through when he passes the torch in January, 2017.
You guys will be just fine. America will more than fine.
And yes, Mike Caldwell, the sky isn’t falling
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Thank God for the wonderful athletes like Gabby and Phelps that actually are honored to be american unlike those in here like Inde that thinks if you disagree with them they want you to be banned. Sounds a lot like our president that wants much of the same in there big govt. agenda.
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This person Indie comes from seems raised under a rock as the comments seem to always reflect those of the liberal socialist she is and her president that I personally like as a person but do not like as president seem to think that big gov’t is the answer to all of the worlds problems. It has not worked in europe and will not work here. Shame we may have to endure four more years of this kind of economic downfall and worse in history. Sure here they do not care as most seem to like big gov’t or anyone to provide care for them as they would not work if their life depended on it. So goes this once great nation.
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“I posted it before. Obviously you skipped right over it.”
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Well don’t get your panties in a bunch Noesis. All the independents are voting for Obama anyway so it doesn’t really matter, does it?
I will give you credit. You are definitely a poll man. I don’t question that.
You love polls…I understand.
If it makes you feel a little better about life then go ahead and believe Romney has a chance in November. Believe that as long as you can Noesis.
I don’t know about Toledo where you live but, here in Lawrence county, I expect Romney to get probably 80% of the vote regardless…so by all means spend all your time and effort here buddy. Fight the battle of Lawrence County.
And be sure to let us know every time you get your hands on a new poll
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Indie: I don’t know where you came up with that “18% more democrats” but I don’t believe that.
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I posted it before. Obviously you skipped right over it.
Believe it:
Noesis August 2, 2012 at 9:12 pm
The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted July 16-26, 2012, among 2,508 adults, including 1,956 registered voters…
Sample Size:
459 Republicans
813 Democrats
599 Independents
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Indie: …you should be worried, right?
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Nope, not at all. If you had dug deeper in the story, you would have seen that they had 18% more democrats than republicans. Do I need to go back and show you where you yourself said that the split was fairly even at 45%-45%?
So to recap, it took them using 18% more democrats to get a 10% lead for Obambi.
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No, you don’t have to show me where I gave my professional opinion on how our nation is divided. It’s a pretty generic observation really, going back to the 2000 election.
I don’t know where you came up with that “18% more democrats” but I don’t believe that. I believe you probably did find someone saying that on one of your right-wing blog sites. I just don’t believe it’s true. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter. Most people just wait until November and decide for themselves what they want the only poll that matters to say. In other words, they are not like you when it comes to polls.
You are such a poll lover, Noesis, and I mean that in the best possible way.
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“Hey Indie seen the latest Poll numbers?”
Since I don’t stay glued to news channels and partisan blog sites, no. Since you ask, though, I will look it up.
Hmmm, let’s see. Latest poll per Google news is from one hour ago….
“New Pew Poll Gives President Obama 51%-41% Breathing Room Over Mitt Romney”
OK, that’s about what I expected. Let’s see a little more detail from that story (you can google it yourself if you want to read the whole article)…
“One thing that’s of great significance in this poll, and to a lesser degree in those swing state polls, is that President Obama has finally managed to crack the elusive 50% barrier, which greatly enhances the perception of his chances of victory in November. The Pew poll also shows Mitt Romney losing acres of ground in his favorable/unfavorable ratings, with 52% of voters viewing him unfavorably, versus 37% favorable…”
Gee, Noesis, I guess since that’s the latest poll and you REALLY LOVE polls and take them for the gospel…
…you should be worried, right?
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Gainor said ABC and NBC covered the story but emphasized the small protest groups – instead of the pro-Chick-fil-A supporters.
“The left thought they could bully an American company and they discovered that the vast majority of Americans were willing to take extra time out of their day, embrace a long line and celebrate a company that shares their values – and supports free speech as well,” he said.”It got out there in spite of the mainstream media not being willing to talk about it much.”
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I’ll bet the democratic party just went.OOPS!!!
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There is only one thing significant about this story.
It accentuates just how DESPERATE those on the right are today. You guys wanna beat Obama SO BADLY and know that your candidate is such a LOSER, you will reach out for anything that looks like a ray of hope.
If you guys think Chick Fil-A is going to be the rallying cry that mobilizes the “beat Obama” movement…haha, you are a joke.
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Not desperate indie, determined. The same people who kicked a record number of democrats out of office in November 2010 will be back in 2012 to ensure Carter 2.0 doesn’t get another term.
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Indie mistakenly believes this rally was organized by Chick-Fil-A. They had nothing to do with it. The word got out by social media and the grass roots responded.
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Hey Indie seen the latest Poll numbers? Remember when you said the number of democrats and republicans are historically fairly even? Look at how PEW gets Obama the lead:
The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted July 16-26, 2012, among 2,508 adults, including 1,956 registered voters, finds that, in keeping with his favorability advantage, Obama continues to hold a sizable lead over Romney in the election contest. Currently, 51% say they support Obama or lean toward him, while 41% support or lean toward Romney.
Except….
Sample Size
459 Republicans
813 Democrats
599 Independents
In the best election season Democrats have enjoyed since Nixon resigned, 2008, the Democrat advantage was only D+8, but Pew is now attempting to hustle us into believing the turnout this year is going to be D +19.
Indies are going for Romney 45%-43%.
Moreover, Gallup just released a survey that shows Democrat voter enthusiasm is at its lowest point in years and Republican enthusiasm is a full 12 points higher.
And the lead was just with registered voters not likely voters.
The Economist released a new national poll today with a slightly less absurd sample of D +10, but they show Romney in the lead, 46-44%.
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tiger534, I have never been a liberal. Ever.
Do you see my Icon? You know the Gadsden flag… I.E,. Tea-Party?
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I seen this on F B recently,which has very little good reads lately,but with all the hate being passed around This caught my eye, “If GOD didn’t make gays,there wouldn’t be any” All are Children of GOD ,and we all get a chance to be redeemed,your choice. Spread GODS love or continue to hate and judge.
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Christians don’t have a problem with homosexuals. They are God’s people too. The act on the other hand is a sin.
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I am sure that those liberals like Noosis and IndieVote are against anything Christian as it does not serve there agenda. They are ones that will say anything and come up with all kinds of stats to support there so called positions. They are anti-Christian and anti-american.
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Maybe someone else would report a stupid comment like that to Mike Caldwell but I’ll let you slide this time.
I DO NOT HAVE to defend the fact that I am both a Christian and and American. The fact you try to attack me on that basis says a lot about YOU, but I’ll leave that for the discretion of other readers to figure out.
As for the remark about people against Chick Fil-A being anti-Christian, anti-American and anti-Israel…well, that is the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a while.
I actually feel sorry for ya bud.
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Report him for what? Being stupid?
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Those against the Chick-A Fill now can be outlined as those against the Christian belief and can be to as such. They like those that’ll are not Christians but those that believe like Obama that the muslins are their chose and as anti-american as you can get. They are anti-American and anti-israel as well.
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As for you and your Chick Fil-A compatriots, no I’m not worrying Noesis. If things like that were cause for worry then I’d have been worried about all the T-Baggers at their little rallies in 2008.
We still beat you on election day. We will do it again.
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But the election in 2007 was before the tea-party started.
And on election day in 2010 democrats took their worst beating in the 36 years. What is different that will change the voters minds that Obama is a complete failure? The economy? Unemployment? People still want ObamCare repealed. The Stimulus failed…
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Noesis, I know you wish all that was true. Sadly for you, Barack Obama will absolutely destroy Mitt Romney during this campaign. He will make his case on every single point, including the economy, and he will win in November.
You’re just like the republicans in congress who did everything they could to make 2008-2012 terrible…including voting against their own proposals…all in order to try and defeat Obama.
Obama will shine the light of day on this and everyone will see that he has put America’s interests first while the republicans in congress have played politics.
You know, I had mercy on you last time. I gave you 2 or 3 months to lick your wounds after Obama beat McCain. I thought maybe a little grace would lead to the likes of you being a little more even-handed. Don’t look for a repeat of that given the way you guys have played it for the last four years. This time get ready to cry.
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Indie, I know you are having problems coping the idea that your “dear Leader” could lose but get used to it. No, the economy isn’t getting better. You can repeat that lie as often as you want but it still won’t convince anybody.
And the “Party of NO” was rewarded by voters because they didn’t like Obambi’s far left policies.
You saw the first wave of the tsunami Nov 2010 elections…
Yesterday was just all the water disappearing off the beach… with democrats wondering “where did all the water go?”…
Second wave of the tsunami is 3 months away…
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Noesis, I’m absolutely at peace with how this election is going. While I am convinced that Barack Obama will be re-elected it won’t kill me if he isn’t.
I’m looking for what’s best for America.
In the unlikely event Romney would win, I’d show more class than you ever have over the last 4 years and rally behind the new President and root for him to succeed as much as he possibly can.
Compare that to how you’ve dealt with Obama.
No, I think you are the one having the problems. It’s pretty apparent that it’s KILLING you that Barack Obama is YOUR President. I’m sorry you can’t put partisanship aside and just put America first.
So if Romney wins I will show you by example how to be a good American. If Obama wins and you show that you want to keep on like you have, those next four years won’t be too pleasant on here for you.
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The idiots that are denying a business to operate in their city are on a very slippery slope.
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Oh and Indie… these people that went to Chick-Fil-A today, the hundreds at a time who waited in line for over 3 hours just to get a chicken sandwich and show their support, are the same dedicated people who will be coming to the voting booth come rain or shine. Is your side that dedicated?
Be afraid… be very afraid…
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“How do you know he called the shot, were you there?”
Because Barack Obama is your Commander-in-Chief, Noesis, and he is THE ONE who has to make that call. Sending in the team to kill Osama Bin Laden isn’t something delegated to an underling.
As for you and your Chick Fil-A compatriots, no I’m not worrying Noesis. If things like that were cause for worry then I’d have been worried about all the T-Baggers at their little rallies in 2008.
We still beat you on election day. We will do it again.
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indie–We still beat you on election day. We will do it again.
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“WE”, so Your a democrat along with Mick now?
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I might as well be for 2012. I’m voting the same way I did in 2008.
I’m still open for 2016.
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If he’s making the call, why was Valerie constantly talking him out of it?
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“If he’s making the call, why was Valerie constantly talking him out of it? ”
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Were you there?
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Nope but this is from somebody that was there.
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ndieVoter: He called the shot, obviously, when the time was right (because it worked).
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How do you know he called the shot, were you there?
At the urging of Valerie Jarrett, President Barack Obama canceled the operation to kill Osama bin Laden on three separate occasions before finally approving the May 2, 2011 Navy SEAL mission, according to an explosive new book scheduled for release August 21.
Richard Miniter writes that Obama canceled the “kill” mission in January 2011, again in February, and a third time in March. Obama’s close adviser Valerie Jarrett persuaded him to hold off each time, according to the book.
Miniter, a two-time New York Times best-selling author, cites an unnamed source with Joint Special Operations Command who had direct knowledge of the operation and its planning.
Leading From Behind
Obama administration officials also said after the raid that the president had delayed giving the order to kill the arch-terrorist the day before the operation was carried out, in what turned out to be his fourth moment of indecision. At the time, the White House blamed the delay on unfavorable weather conditions near bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
But when Miniter obtained that day’s weather reports from the U.S. Air Force Combat Meteorological Center, he said, they showed ideal conditions for the SEALs to carry out their orders.
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Indie: Mick, I haven’t been following this story closely. What exactly is it that ‘left-wing radicals” were going to do to intimidate Chick Chick-Fil-A?
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“Chick-fil-A doesn’t belong in Boston,” Mayor Merino told the Boston Herald. “You can’t have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population.
Merino “said he plans to fire off a letter to the company’s Atlanta headquarters ‘telling them my feelings on the matter’,” The Herald reported:
“If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult — unless they open up their policies,” he warned.
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Chicago Alderman Proco “Joe” Moreno quickly announced that he intends to block the chain from opening its second Chicago location because Chick-fil-A’s management witnessed for the biblical definition of marriage, saying “I will now be denying Chick-fil-A’s permit to open a restaurant in the First Ward.”
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So what we have hear is democrats using their position of power to deny Chick-Fil-A from starting up a business because of their religious beliefs… That marriage is between a man and a woman (wasn’t that Obama’s position just a few months ago?). What ever happened to freedom of speech and belief?
Does that mean a republican mayor can prevent Planned Parenthood form opening up a clinic because they are against abortion? Do you think liberals would be screeching to high heaven if a republican mayor said he was denying PP because of his beliefs?
Now remember… not a single gay person has been discriminated from either buying anything in the store or hiring gay people. Liberals are upset because the owner believes in biblical marriage. Now that Obama supports gay marriage, those that believe only in traditional marriage must be punished… severely.
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Haha, what a joke Noesis. You are right though. Nobody has been punished nor have they suffered.
Chick Fil-A hasn’t discriminated against gay people. Someone high up in that company just expressed an opinion. So why are gay people up in arms? I don’t know.
It’s like if a big-shot at some fast food restaurant said he is for abortion and made his case for why in a very public way, in the media. Has that big shot actually performed an abortion…no. Would you smarties on the right understand this and not respond like the gay marriage crowd in response to the Chick Fil-A guy’s remarks?? Well…who knows?
Then again, what exactly is it that the gay marriage crowd has done to Chick Fil-A? Oh, that’s right. They haven’t done anything other than being outraged that he said it.
So what was that big demonstration about yesterday?
Oh yeah, it was a cost-free promo by Chick Fil-A that had idiots like (whomever) waiting in their parking lot for a chicken sandwich. What a bunch of saps!! haha
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Indie, you really should do some research before spouting off. In Chicago, there ALREADY is a permit application on for a new store that they said was going to be denied. So, YES somebody is getting hurt.
It might help if your reading comprehension was slightly higher than Keta’s.
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Indie: 1. Reagan’s spending was offset by very high…up to 70% marginal tax rate at the high end for almost all of his administration.
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Where do you get all your misinformation from Indie?
“President Ronald Reagan’s 1981 cut in the top regular tax rate on unearned income reduced the maximum capital gains rate to only 20%–its lowest level since the Hoover administration.
In 1981, Reagan significantly reduced the maximum tax rate, which affected the highest income earners, and lowered the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50%; in 1986 he further reduced the rate to 28%. The federal deficit fell from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 3.2% of GDP in 1987.
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indieVoter; As a PS: I may be an idealist, but not “naive”. The bottom line? I am a realist first.
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I wasn’t necessarily intending that line for you Mick. My opinion is this.
Companies, corporations, businesses and business interests do not have morals. They do not think. A business cannot be “a Christian”…only a person can.
Now are there some businesses which are run by Christians. Sure, but only small ones in any meaningful sense. For example, the local hardware store owned by the “insert name here” family who are all good Christian people. Yes, sometimes people fall but I think it’s reasonable to feel like that business you’re supporting will (if it still exists) still be the same Christian-run kind of business 20 years from now.
However, a business like Chic-Fil-A may well be headed by a Christian person today but it’s too big to guarantee whether it still will be 10 or 20 years from now. Let’s face it, just like Sam Walton and Wal-Mart, Chic-Fil-A is just really one good death away from being a completely different company. Then, all your money has gone into building it up.
Does that mean you shouldn’t frequent Chic-Fil-A for this reason? Of course not. I’m just saying that it’s not some kind of evangelical act to buy a chicken sandwich from them. It’s not like putting money in the offering plate or giving to charity. It’s not anything except another chicken sandwich so just enjoy it as such.
And, yes, I believe to ascribe more than that to ANY business is naive…and it’s my right to have that opinion.
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indieVoter; May I suggest you become a little more informed. Wouldn’t you consider the Gay community as “extreme left wing radicals”? Seeing that is where their support comes from (LEFT). When it comes to comparison, Wal-Mart to Chic-Fil-A, there is no comparison. Wal-Mart cannot hold a candle to Chic-Fil-A when it comes to moral fiber. “union label” and Wal-Mart? I can’t help but laugh at that comment. They wouldn’t even allow you in the store if you mentioned Labor Union. The primary concern of Wal-Mart, is itself.
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Mick, I would suggest you be a little more careful in your reading but you get it right so often I’m gonna overlook it in this case.
Let me be clear. Do I think it’s reasonable to put the gay community into the “left-wing” or even “left-wing extremist” camp. Yes, I think that’s a reasonable argument to make. I didn’t dispute that before either.
As for Chic-Fil-A and their “moral fiber”, well, let’s just agree to disagree. You can believe it’s all just because that company “thinks” like a human being thinks…that it has morals…and that it makes moral assessments. It’s OK for you to think that.
I will continue to believe Chic-Fil-A is very astute in knowing EXACTLY who their customer base is and they are very good at keeping their customers loyal to the Chic-Fil-A brand name. Whatever you may personally believe, Mick, you cannot PROVE that I am wrong. It’s a matter of opinion.
As for the Wal-Mart comparison, boy it sure is easy to say it’s not a fair comparison now that Sam Walton is dead. I remember how the commercials were back when he was still alive but, today, it’s a completely different company. Wal-Mart, in my opinion, did USED to stand for some of those good things I mentioned in the last comment. HOWEVER, they took all our hard-earned dollars and (since Walton died) turned the company upside down and now they basically operate in a fashion that destroys small businesses and kills a lot of good local jobs…and they rely on slave labor from China.
And, Mick, you can correct me on this if you want but I am pretty sure that way back when Wal-Mart DID used to include the ‘be sure and look for the union label” bit in their commercials too. They used to be a very “pro-America” company. It’s just too bad that companies are absolutely FREE at any time to turn on us…the people who built them in the first place.
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I fear, if President Obama and the Democratic Party are indicative of the moral fiber of our country, we are in decline. The Democratic Party just added the support of Same Sex Marriage to their platform at the endorsement of Barack Obama. Of course, their support of the killing of the unborn (abortion) was already an example of moral decay. If an individual does not have the right to life, all other rights are immaterial. The once proud party (Democratic) of the people can no longer claim this distinctive title. I failed to mention the new Health Care System which negates Freedom Of Conscience and is supported by the members of this less than prestigious party.
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There’s always reason to worry if you’re thinking about the moral fiber of a country. Times change with each passing generation, giving reason for worry to the generation that came before. You know, like when the adults back in the 50s believed Elvis Presley was a red flag pointing to the moral decline of America’s youth.
Personally, Mick, I think that maintaining one’s own personal moral fiber is enough to keep most people busy enough. Once they have that down perfect, then they can move on to providing commentary on the moral fiber of others up to and including the moral fiber of our nation and the moral fiber of mankind in the year 2012.
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So indie, your philosopy is to live in a house with your door locked, shades down and just let the world go down the tubes?
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Of course not. My philosophy is to make my best effort to be the kind of person I say I want others to be.
Our worries and commentaries about the “moral fiber” of the nation doesn’t change a thing. One person at a time just being the kind of person they should…that does change the world and it’s the only way.
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Well said Mick!!
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Translation – “Hooray for my side (and boy I hope we win)!!!”
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