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Any president should defend transparency
Published 9:54am Tuesday, August 14, 2012Transparency is vital in all forms of government and nowhere more so than when it comes to who we choose to lead our nation.
That is why presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s refusal to share his tax filing documents is very concerning.
This has become a big campaign issue as Democrat Harry Reid and others have kept it at the forefront, even going so far as saying that Romney didn’t pay any taxes over a 10-year period.
If that is true it certainly casts the Republican hopeful in a different light. Even if Romney didn’t the violate any laws many would question electing a president who would go to any means necessary to avoid paying taxes.
Of course Romney’s camp vehemently denies Reid’s claims but have still declined to release fully the tax documents.
Both candidates should insist their campaigns fully disclose this personal financial information.
Voters deserve to know how a candidate manages his or her own money before entrusting that candidate with handling to handle the public’s dollars.
Why else would they say….Obama cannot run on his record
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Oh, lord. “They” is Eli Zaretsky, a raging socialist who’d like to see the ruling class overthrown and the means of production seized. Noesis, you’re a loon, trolling the internet for nuggets of criticism from people you don’t know anything about. Nobody’s enough of a lefty to satisfy Zaretsky, least of all President Obama. And the Nobel Laureates you listed are all supply-siders and tax cut enthusiasts, whose popularity waxes and wanes depending on what year it is and how much trouble we’re in. Supply-side economics, Reagan and Romney and Ryan’s theory of choice, has yet to be corroborated. Reagan practiced it, and blew a hole in the budget so big he had to back the largest tax increase we’d ever seen. Bush practiced it, and drove us into a ditch we’re still climbing out of. Clinton shunned it, and and the economy soared skyward. Ryan’s plan – lowering capital gains taxes to zero and raising them on everybody who hasn’t had the good judgement to get rich – is nonsensical. Forcing people who are old and sick to to shop for private insurance in a tricky market, clutching their sad vouchers – so taxes for the rich can be lowered, is nonsense. It’s an idea that’s never worked, but the wealthy love it anyway, obviously.
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Are you going to come clean Caldwell or is indie now an official defender of the Tribune? I only thanked him/her earlier because I was being fecious. Not so now.
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Noesis sure does talk a lot of smack. Maybe I do too sometimes but here’s the difference. I believe what I’m saying…she does not.
But just in case she’s changed her little mind, I’ll extend the same friendly offer I have already made several times before.
Noesis, talk is cheap so let’s make it count. Here’s the offer (again). If Romney wins I will retire from commenting here on the tribune forum. If Obama wins then you retire Noesis.
So, it it just smack talk with you or do you believe it enough to accept my friendly challenge???
Let’s face it, there are people on this forum who would be thrilled to see me go and there are plenty more who would be thrilled to see you go.
So what’s it gonna be sis??
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No reply?
No surprise.
Any other time she would have already posted, what, 6 or 7 in a row??
Believe this. She knows Romney is gonna lose on November the 6th and there’s NO WAY she will accept my friendly challenge.
And, if not, why in the heck should YOU take anything she says about this election seriously? I mean, if she doesn’t really believe it herself after all….
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Indie: The ones in this forum who hate Obama will not, of course, either recognize or give credit for his successes. Obviously they just want to win and they’re saying whatever they think is consistent with that cause.
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Indie hun, even liberals recognize he has been a failure. Why else would they say:
Let us begin with the obvious. Obama cannot run on his record, since it is a record of failure.
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Over 400 independent economists signed a statement at the website Economists for Romney in support of what they call the Republican presidential candidate’s “bold economic plan for America.”
Five Nobel laureates (Gary Becker, Robert Lucas, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott, and Myron Scholes) signed the statement which, in part, reads, “We enthusiastically endorse Governor Mitt Romney’s economic plan to create jobs and restore economic growth while returning America to its tradition of economic freedom.”
The economists also denounced Obama’s economic ideas, claiming they led to an “an anemic economic recovery and high unemployment.” They further assert, “his future plans are to double down on the failed policies, which will only prolong slow growth and high unemployment.”
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I do love it, actually. If the republicans are going to run a candidate it may as well be one who goes on the record espousing the real views of the party.
I like it that they nominated a candidate who has openly proposed slashing spending on social programs down to the core…or beyond. It’s not like the 700 million that Obama cut from Medicare which was simply waste in the program but no cuts for benefits. Ryan wants to actually cut the programs by cutting benefits.
Now the only part I wouldn’t like is if Romney and/or his supporters become cowards and lose their conviction by claiming this is not what Ryan stands for.
I would like to see a presidential election with a clear choice where one candidates wants to drastically cut social programs like social security, medicare and medicaid and the other candidate wants to keep them.
As for Obama running on his record, I guarantee you that he will. The ones in this forum who hate Obama will not, of course, either recognize or give credit for his successes. Obviously they just want to win and they’re saying whatever they think is consistent with that cause.
I even think Obama will ultimately be able to run on his job in reversing the Bush recession too.
The way I see it, Bush was accountable for AT LEAST 2.907 million jobs lost during the recession which started in September, 2008. This includes all the job losses from the beginning of the Bush Recession up through the end of Feb, 2009…the month when President Obama signed the stimulus into law.
Starting March 1, 2009 it took President Obama 9 months to get our economy turned around to the point where it was creating jobs again and since that time America’s economy has created jobs almost every single month.
In the period between when the stimulus was signed and November of 2009 when we started creating jobs again, a total of 2.788 million jobs were lost. From November, 2009 to the present over 3.5 million jobs have been added.
If I thought Romney could do any better I’d give him my vote…but I don’t see it that way.
I see Romney as the guy who wasn’t good enough to beat John McCain…before he went on to be defeated by Obama last time. There’s just something about Romney that people don’t like and it’s not just a partisan thing. He’s cold, detached, uninspiring, smarmy and deceptive…potentially another Richard Nixon.
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Ya gotta love this (except for Indie):
“A wonderful thing has happened for this country. Paul Ryan will be the Republican nominee for vice president.” He added that Republicans like Ryan were the perfect antidote to Democratic excesses: “Maybe, like me, you were raised in a liberal household. You don’t agree with conservative ideas on social or foreign policy. But this is why God made Republicans: to force a reality check when Democrats overpromise and overspend.”
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or this:
Eli Zaretsky, writing for the hard-left, pro-Occupy, pro-Palestinian Tikkun magazine, admitted candidly:
Now leftists are exploding with joy at Romney’s supposed mistake in choosing the easily attacked Ryan as his running mate. Perhaps leftists might reconsider their own credibility as political analysts in evaluating the Republican strategy.
Let us begin with the obvious. Obama cannot run on his record, since it is a record of failure. Therefore, he was always going to run a scare campaign, explaining how bad the Republicans are. In choosing Ryan, Romney has not made this easier for Obama — it was always easy. Rather, he showed that he is not afraid of Obama’s scare tactics, and of the Democrat’s ad hominem attacks on him — rich, unfeeling, out of touch, and all the rest.
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Yes, lets talk transparency Tribune. I notice that the opinion article from Michael Reagan has disappeared after first appearing on Wednesday evening. You keep Crawford’s articles on the page for a week or more. I went back and looked at the comments and there were no comments that were offensive or derogatory. Come clean Tribune. If you are not going to do so, then your opinion on matters
isn’t worth the time it takes you to publish it, nor for the public to read it.
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Uh, yeah, and they added a new one by him…”Paul Ryan is bold, smart choice for GOP” which I see didn’t move you enough to comment on yet.
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to step on your conspiracy theory.
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No indie I haven’t but thanks for pointing that out.
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The Lilly Bedwetter law article disappeared after a day or two also.
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The way I see it, Bush was accountable for AT LEAST 2.907 million jobs lost during the recession which started in September, 2008. This includes all the job losses from the beginning of the Bush Recession up through the end of Feb, 2009…the month when President Obama signed the stimulus into law.
Starting March 1, 2009 it took President Obama 9 months to get our economy turned around to the point where it was creating jobs again and since that time America’s economy has created jobs almost every single month.
In the period between when the stimulus was signed and November of 2009 when we started creating jobs again, a total of 2.788 million jobs were lost. From November, 2009 to the present over 3.5 million jobs have been added.
While nobody here has questioned the validity of the monthly job losses during the Bush Recession nor the jobs created numbers since, they have tried to muddy the water by posing rhetorical questions about the unemployment rate.
Be clear on this. They have no idea how to break down the unemployment rate either and definitively explain variables like military personnel finally getting to the end of multiple tours in Iraq after Obama ended the war there.
No, their one and only goal is to keep your focus from the fact that over 3.5 million jobs have been created since November of 2009.
One would think that all patriotic Americans would rally behind the President in such an important time (as democrats got behind Bush after 9/11) and just put America first in the face of a possible second Great Depression. We had a lot to lose but they didn’t care. Their only priority was to stop Obama.
Well, Obama got the job done anyway. It’s “cute” to sit back now and critique his performance…now that a DEPRESSION has been averted. I guess it’s kinda like comedians making jokes about 9/11 now. Personally, I think it’s tacky as he– but I guess they think enough time has passed.
Anyone bright enough to appreciate all this will be voting for Obama on November the 6th. The rest can vote for Bush…Romney, whatever. They all look the same to me these days.
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Let us begin with the obvious. Obama cannot run on his record, since it is a record of failure. Therefore, he was always going to run a scare campaign, explaining how bad the Republicans are….
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Baa, baa, black sheep,
Have you any wool?
Yes, sir, yes, sir,
Three bags full;
One for the master,
And one for the dame,
And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.
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8 comments in a row? Geez.
I think she believes that she’s anchoring the swing county in the swing state this election year…from Toldedo, right?
Keep up the great work noesis and maybe, just maybe, all your efforts will pay off and Lawrence County will go republican this year.
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Indie: “…America has vindicated Barack Obama and the fact that he will go down historically in very much the positive light that I’ve been posting here for the past few years.”
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Really… Lets see what Gallup says the American people see how good of a job he is doing:
Economy: 36 percent approve; 60 percent disapprove
Creating jobs: 37 percent approve; 58 percent disapprove
The budget: 30 percent approve; 64 percent disapprove
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OMG, this is too funny… seems like the Secret Service doesn’t even like democrats:
Secret Service officers associated with Vice President Joe Biden bought a pile of cupcakes from the baker who refused to host Biden at his shop — and they did so out of gratitude.
It’s a startling news nugget at the bottom of a local report. “[S]hortly after Crumb and Get It told Biden’s advance people ‘no’ — the secret service walked in and told [owner] Chris McMurray ”Thanks for standing up and saying ‘no’ — then they bought a whole bunch of cookies and cupcakes,” according to the Valley Reporter (Va.).
McMurray refused to host the Biden entourage as a protest of Obama’s comment, made in the nearby town of Roanoke, that “if you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.”
The Secret Service’s purchase proved to be a herald of things to come, as Virginia locals rewarded McMurray with a rush of business this morning. The bakery ran out of food by 1:15 pm.
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tiger534, is it just me or is Indie getting a little shrill?
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Here’s the real truth about Obama’s performance:
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Unemployment increasing and a stagnant economy.
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I think it’s funny that Indie calls this the Bush recession when it was caused by democrats.
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Hey Indie… Can’t wait for the VP debates… Are they going to make Biden take a mental health exam prior to the debate? It seems that there are several people that don’t think he’s mentally stable…
Especially telling African Americans that republicans will be putting them “back in chains”.
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Time to start panicking Indie:
Wednesday, August 15, 2012
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 43%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and seven percent (7%) are undecided. Romney’s lead is a bit larger when leaners are included.
In Ohio, the candidates are tied at 45% each.
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Clearly there is a Ryan bump,” pollster John Zogby, managing director of JZ Analytics, told Newsmax. Significantly, the new poll shows the Romney/Ryan ticket with a substantial lead among voters in swing states, 49.1 percent to 41.2 percent.
Also, the Republican ticket garners 45.2 percent among independent voters, ahead of the Democratic ticket at 40.1. Obama led in an earlier poll of independents. That shows that the Ryan choice has not hurt the Republican ticket in this important demographic, and has actually helped.
What is also significant here, according to Zogby, is that the percentage of voters who say they are still undecided now stands at just 14.7 percent, compared to over 20 percent in an earlier Zogby poll.
Zogby says that with the selection of the Wisconsin congressman and budget guru as his running mate, he has “boldly offered a choice for voters.”
Read more on Newsmax*com: John Zogby Poll: Ryan Gives Romney Big Push in Swing States, Independents
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tiger is trying to mislead you since pushing my last comments down the page probably wasn’t good enough. Here’s the real truth about Obama’s performance in taking over and reversing the Bush Recession.
September 2008 – 280,000 jobs lost
October 2008 – 240,000 jobs lost
November 2008 – 333,000 jobs lost
December 2008 – 632,000 jobs lost
* December, President Bush had agreed to an emergency bailout of $17.4 billion to be distributed by the next administration in January and February. Obama goes on to manage the bailout successfully and the big 3 recover, avoiding bankruptcy.
January 2009 – 741,000 jobs lost
* January 20, 2009 Barack Obama inaugurated.
February 2009 – 681,000 jobs lost
* American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 signed into law on February 17, 2009.
March 2009 – 652,000 jobs lost
April 2009 – 519,000 jobs lost
May 2009 – 303,000 jobs lost
June 2009 – 463,000 jobs lost
July 2009 – 276,000 jobs lost
August 2009 – 201,000 jobs lost
September 2009 – 263,000 jobs lost
October 2009 – 111,000 jobs lost
November 2009 – 64,000 jobs created
Since then, America has added about 3.5 million jobs. Thank God we didn’t elect McCain or else we would have seen the predictions in the CNNMoney excerpt below come to fruition.
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The unemployment has increased, our budget is the biggest it has ever been and yet those that expect big gov’t to care for them will continue to whine and complain against anyone that has some real solutions to the problems Obama has failed to do anything about but will attack his opponent and pander to those the elderly and those that expect big gov’t to care for them. Actually those seniors now will not be effected by the current plan from Rommey and Ryan. Sure those that love big gov’t will come up with there own so called agenda against this plan. Seems it is short term hedonists and those that actually think about the long term future of our country.
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Sure this will not last long as his so called journalists that he says monitor and delete anyone that seems to oppose thier liberal view will be taken down.
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I understand how liberal this paper is while it seems to give some small credence to presenting the opposing point of view for the most part it goes far beyond the limits to express its liberal side. Seems it tries to take those that oppose it like Hmer Campbell and try and make him look like an idiot while it takes a real so called educator like Crawford and feature him as there poster child. Sure those like Indie love him and will always will and he seems close to this individual just by the way he.she writes to him and compliment. The paper is supposed to be an unbiased paper but one seems to think this is like reading the New York Times.
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For the job numbers below, it’s good to remember exactly where we were at the end of the Bush administration.
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Worst year for jobs since ’45
CNNMoney
January 9, 2009
“The hemorrhaging of American jobs accelerated at a record pace at the end of 2008, bringing the year’s total job losses to 2.6 million or the highest level in more than six decades.
A sobering U.S. Labor Department jobs report Friday showed the economy lost 524,000 jobs in December and 1.9 million in the year’s final four months, after the credit crisis began in September.
The unemployment rate rose to 7.2% last month from 6.7% in November – its highest rate since January 1993.
The steep annual drop in jobs marked the highest yearly job-loss total since 1945, the year in which World War II ended.
“We’re seeing a complete unraveling of the labor market and are on track for getting beyond 10% unemployment,” said Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute.”
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If you haven’t seen these numbers yet I think you’ll find them interesting. These are the job losses by month as the Bush Recession set in:
September 2008 – 280,000 jobs lost
October 2008 – 240,000 jobs lost
November 2008 – 333,000 jobs lost
December 2008 – 632,000 jobs lost
* December, President Bush had agreed to an emergency bailout of $17.4 billion to be distributed by the next administration in January and February. Obama goes on to manage the bailout successfully and the big 3 recover, avoiding bankruptcy.
January 2009 – 741,000 jobs lost
* January 20, 2009 Barack Obama inaugurated.
February 2009 – 681,000 jobs lost
* American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 signed into law on February 17, 2009.
March 2009 – 652,000 jobs lost
April 2009 – 519,000 jobs lost
May 2009 – 303,000 jobs lost
June 2009 – 463,000 jobs lost
July 2009 – 276,000 jobs lost
August 2009 – 201,000 jobs lost
September 2009 – 263,000 jobs lost
October 2009 – 111,000 jobs lost
November 2009 – 64,000 jobs created
* Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act signed into law on March 23, 2010
I think you can see a few interesting things here. First, in contrast to what we hear about “what could have been accomplished if they didn’t shove Obamacare down our throats” we can see that Obama’s first priority was the economy.
The Recovery Act and the auto industry bailout came early. By November of 2009, 9 months after the Reovery Act was signed, America’s economy was creating jobs again. Keep in mind the story below “Worst year for jobs since ’45″ and put this into a context. Nine months to turn that disaster around.
And as we know from some of the past comments, if you start measuring in September of 2009 (7 months after the Recovery Act was signed) America has added over 3.5 million jobs now. We will do even better yet but that’s still a big turnaround from where we were at back on January 9, 2009 when CNNMoney ran that story below.
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And there she goes yet again. No, it’s just too much hot air that sounds like fox news done badly.
Besides, she just has until November 6th before she has to admit that America has vindicated Barack Obama and the fact that he will go down historically in very much the positive light that I’ve been posting here for the past few years.
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Yeah, I can understand why you wouldn’t want to read them Indie… too much bad news…
Here’s another…
Rasmussen poll has Mandel even with Brown in Ohio
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Holy cow, look at all the comments. I’m not going to reply to each one. I’m not even going to read them to be honest.
As for the campaign, we will have something to talk about after the republican national convention in the last week of August and the democratic national convention the first week in September. Both conventions will be good and there will be a lot of verbal pipe bombs dropped from both sides. The righties will think it’s all over after Chris Christie gives a big speech at the republican convention but it won’t be over until after Bill Clinton speaks on Weds night at the democratic convention followed by Obama delivering his speech at the stadium in Charlotte the next night. It’s going to be a good year for politics.
After that we will be looking forward to the 3 debates and we’ll see where Romney and Obama are at in the polls then.
Everything happening now is just prologue. You can make predictions but we won’t really know much until after Labor Day.
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Time to start panicking Indie:
Wednesday, August 15, 2012
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 43%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and seven percent (7%) are undecided. Romney’s lead is a bit larger when leaners are included.
In Ohio, the candidates are tied at 45% each.
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Hehehe:
Reuters reported on Tuesday that a group of former U.S. intelligence and Special Forces operatives was preparing to launch a media campaign, including TV ads, that scolds Obama for taking credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden and accuses his administration of leaking U.S. secrets for political advantage.
The group, the Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, unveiled a documentary-style video featuring interviews with former spies and U.S. military commandos on Wednesday.
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“Clearly there is a Ryan bump,” pollster John Zogby, managing director of JZ Analytics, told Newsmax. Significantly, the new poll shows the Romney/Ryan ticket with a substantial lead among voters in swing states, 49.1 percent to 41.2 percent.
Also, the Republican ticket garners 45.2 percent among independent voters, ahead of the Democratic ticket at 40.1. Obama led in an earlier poll of independents. That shows that the Ryan choice has not hurt the Republican ticket in this important demographic, and has actually helped.
What is also significant here, according to Zogby, is that the percentage of voters who say they are still undecided now stands at just 14.7 percent, compared to over 20 percent in an earlier Zogby poll.
Zogby says that with the selection of the Wisconsin congressman and budget guru as his running mate, he has “boldly offered a choice for voters.”
Read more on Newsmax*com: John Zogby Poll: Ryan Gives Romney Big Push in Swing States, Independents
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
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Hey Indie… Can’t wait for the VP debates… Are they going to make Biden take a mental health exam prior to the debate? It seems that there are several people that don’t think he’s mentally stable…
Especially telling African Americans that republicans will be putting them “back in chains”.
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Looks like Ryan didn’t pay off for Romney as hoped.
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Mitt Romney’s VP choice has not given him the anticipated bump in the polls
” Mitt Romney’s choice of Paul Ryan to ride shotgun was supposed to be a game-changer — but the polls have barely budged.
The first tracking poll taken after the Wisconsin Congressman was added to the GOP ticket over the weekend reveals that Ryan has yet to provide a real bump for Romney.
The presumptive Republican presidential nominee was polling at 46% in the days before he tapped the conservative darling to be his VP, according to Gallup.
And in the four days after Romney unveiled his selection of Ryan, his support increased no further than 47%, the polling firm found…”
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Of course, there is republican spin…
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Well of course… You didn’t mention what the republican on the committee said:
Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas), vice chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, fired back, saying the report used data from the Tax Policy Center, which defines income and taxes “significantly differently than the IRS data used elsewhere” in the report.
Brady said the report tries “to exaggerate the size of the average tax savings for higher-income taxpayers from individuals and corporate income tax rate reductions before any offsets from eliminating deductions and exclusions.”
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I mean seriously, does anybody expect the democrats to start telling the truth now?
That wouldn’t be the Chicago way!
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Paul Ryan Tax Plan Could Raise Middle Class Taxes, Said Panel
ABC News — Aug. 14, 2012
“While Mitt Romney would reportedly pay less than one percent of his income in taxes under Paul Ryan’s previous tax plan, most Americans making less than $200,000 would see a tax hike under the budget of Ryan proposed before his selection to be Romney’s running mate, according to a report by Sen. Robert Casey Jr. (D-Pa.)
Most of Romney’s income is comprised of interest income, capital gains and dividends, which are not taxed under the plan Ryan first introduced in 2010.
Ryan proposed two tax rates, 10 and 25 percent, instead of the current six.
The House Republican budget for the 2013 fiscal year, passed by the House in June, would raise taxes by $1,358 for jointly-filing households earning between $50,000 and $100,000, assuming the additional income is taxed at a 10 percent rate, according to a report published earlier this summer by the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, authored by its chairman, Casey.
Households with incomes between $100,000 and $200,000 would see their taxes increase by $2,681, the Joint Economic Committee said.
Rep. Ryan’s office did not return a request for comment.
The committee reported Ryan’s budget plan would give the richest Americans — those who make over $1 million — a tax break of about $300,000.”
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Of course, there is republican spin and counter-criticism of President Obama but the bottom line is that the Joint Economic Committee of Congress is reporting this and they can’t just make the numbers up.
So it’s official. Paul Ryan’s plan raises taxes on the middle class while giving the rich a big tax break. Typical. So typical.
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And as for your remark… “so no, I don’t see them staying home…” …nobody asked you ma’am.
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No, I was just wondering whether the fundamentalist masses in the republican base would have a problem with it.
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So is this the type of behavior I can expect from my wife when she goes through her “change” Indie? Temperamental, mood changes, memory loss, irritability, nonsensical statements? You know, a doctor maybe be able to help you hun… not sure if it’s the one for your body or for your head that you need though.
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Well, there she goes again. When there’s a troubling fact, she simply tries to change the subject.
I’m sorry but she doesn’t speak for the millions of fundamentalist Christians who have to decide whether or not they want to vote for a non-Christian this fall…someone who believes the Bible isn’t our final word from God but, rather, that the Book of Mormon is.
Also, while I don’t know if she’s even a Christian at all, she’s on perilous ground by feigning the ability to say that someone is a “better Christian” than someone else.
Of course, as is her usual fare, the specific allegation is ridiculous. Romney isn’t a Christian at all. He’s a Mormon, so there’s no question of who the Christian is in this election.
As for spending money and fighting back, I welcome that. I expect a good contest this fall and I’m looking forward to it. I have no doubt that Barack Obama is looking forward to it too. Obama will have a convention and will spend some money on ads too, so we’ll see.
And as for your remark…
“so no, I don’t see them staying home…”
…nobody asked you ma’am.
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Obviously it’s not a problem hun, he won the primary didn’t he? And he still believes in a God, so that isn’t a problem… And he loves America…
And he’s more “Christian” than Obama is… especially since his own pastor isn’t really sure if he ever embraced Christianity…
so no, I don’t see them staying home…
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And expect Romney to really take off in the polls after the convention… You see, because of the big primary runoff, Romney spent his advertising money and he can’t spend all this new money he raised until after the convention… so here we have Obama wildly outspending Romney and they are basically tied.
What happens when Romney gets to fight back?
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Indie: I guess some folks that probably have more of a problem than I do will just swallow their pride…
Noesis: Ah that explains why you guy
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It’s good to see that her approach never changes.
I offered a legitimate thought on this election and all she can do is try to “spin it” (btw, you’re not a politico ma’am) and she avoids the real truth of the issue.
I’m sorry if she doesn’t think it’s a noteworthy that the republican party is running a mormon and a catholic this year. Frankly, knowing how the people in the republican base think and act, I just don’t believe that many of them do not have a problem with this.
Yes, as I said, some of them will swallow their pride and vote for the guy whose church thinks the Bible isn’t enough…so they went out and got a new “divinely inspired” book to add in with it…you know, just so that they (the mormons) would have the WHOLE truth…as they must believe that Christians do not.
My question wasn’t whether Noesis will let this religious problem slide. The way she thinks is pretty obvious.
No, I was just wondering whether the fundamentalist masses in the republican base would have a problem with it.
How would they feel if they help elect a Mormon?
Would they vote for a Muslim if that’s who got the republican nomination??
Maybe they will sit around and discuss this before Sunday school over the next couple of months. I mean, it’s a fair question.
Like Mormons, Muslims believe in the Bible but they also think it’s not sufficient…hence, their respective “inspired” books. Mormons have The Book of Mormon and Muslims have the Koran.
If you are FOR an individual who doesn’t believe the Bible is the FINAL WORD from God then it doesn’t even matter what book they read at their worship services.
Do I despise either religious group? No. I simply have a problem giving my vote for the highest office in the land to a person who actively believes and associates himself with a religious group who believes the Bible is not the final word.
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As Joe Biden would say, this is a BFD! And a good start. These numbers will only improve for Romney
For the first time since he began running for president, Republican Mitt Romney has the support of over 40 percent of the youth vote, a troubling sign for President Obama who built his 2008 victory with the overwhelming support of younger, idealistic voters.
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Indie: I guess some folks that probably have more of a problem than I do will just swallow their pride…
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Ah that explains why you guys are sticking with Obambi even though he’s been such a complete and utter failure…
You know, it’s not too late to replace Obambi… I hear that Jimmy Carter is still alive.
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indie; In regard to your comment “So you guys have an interesting team this time, right?” It’s called Ecumenism.
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That’s the most optimistic way you could look at it. Even if that’s what Romney which was shooting for, which I doubt, that still doesn’t say how your fundamentalist republican base will like going out this November to vote for a Mormon and a Catholic.
While I’m just as non-prejudiced about religion as the Obama haters here aren’t racist, I’d frankly have trouble with voting for a Mormon myself. Religion is something you choose. Race isn’t. Mormonism isn’t a faction within Christianity. Like the Muslims, they have a post-Biblical “divinely inspired” book and…I’m sorry…but that’s an issue for me.
I guess some folks that probably have more of a problem than I do will just swallow their pride and settle for this couple of lightweight Ken dolls the gop is running out this fall, but we all know they wish they had a real winner on the ticket this year.
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that still doesn’t say how your fundamentalist republican base will like going out this November to vote for a Mormon and a Catholic.
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What, you think they would rather vote for Obama’s “Hate America” brand of religion that Wright taught?
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This is pretty transparent.
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Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and a min course in Mormon-Catholic relations
- Newsday
Published: August 14, 2012 5:51 PM
“Mitt Romney’s choice of Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential candidate makes 2012 the first time in American history that a major party has run a ticket without a Protestant on it: Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and Ryan is a Roman Catholic.
Have Mormons and Catholics always gotten along as well as the Republican running mates appear to? No. The root of the conflict is doctrinal. The premise of the Book of Mormon is that the Bible is a corrupt and incomplete account of God’s revelation — an implicit criticism of Catholic doctrine.
The Book of Mormon also makes reference to an evil “church which is most abominable above all other churches,” described more colorfully as “the mother of harlots.” Though the Book of Mormon does not identify this evil institution as the Catholic Church, many Mormons have believed the two to be one and the same since the publication of the Book of Mormon in 1830….”
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So you guys have an interesting team this time, right?
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LOL, liberals are desperately looking for any division in the ranks.
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This was from earlier today:
Media devoted to finding Romney-Ryan conflicts
By Jennifer Rubin
The latest media obsession (or is it an Obama campaign talking point?) is to demand Mitt Romney explain how his budget and entitlement ideas differ from those Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.). When he declines, the media screams, “Evasion!”
Why on earth would Romney answer that, and, more important, does anyone care? If the media is really interested in a compare and contrast exercise they can do their own analysis or ask some staffers. Romney, of course, is running at the top of the ticket, and both Romney and Ryan are running on Romney’s agenda. All Romney need do is explain what HE is for and how that differs from the president’s plans. Is there any voter who will decide to vote for or against Romney because of deviations from the plan his VP has proposed? That would be a first.
The media might have a point if Ryan had criticized Romney’s plans or if his own plans were vastly different from Romney’s. But in basic framework there is no difference between the two.
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Looks like we have the liberals running scared…
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I guess Noesis is just more flexible about her religious beliefs than I am. I don’t have a problem with that. It’s her right.
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What exactly does their religious beliefs have to do with anything?
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I don’t care what romney done with his money, i worry about what obammy has all ready done with [my money.]
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Erskine Bowles, Bill Clinton’s Chief-of-Staff and Co-Chair of Barack Obama’s deficit reduction panel and possible Secy. of the Treasury if Obama is re-elected, on Paul Ryan:
“Have any of you all met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing. … He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did, by $4 trillion. … The president as you remember, came out with a budget and I don’t think anybody took that budget very seriously. The Senate voted against it 97 to nothing.”
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“and not a single Ryan ad has hit the airwaves yet…”
Yeah, Romney will go down in the polls after they do..haha.
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“Poll: Obama Up 3 In Ohio, Leads By 10 Points Among Independents”
“President Barack Obama holds a 3-point lead over Mitt Romney in Ohio, and an even larger edge among the state’s independents, a new poll released Tuesday shows.
The latest release from Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling (PPP) shows Obama leading Romney among likely Ohio voters, 48 percent to 45 percent — virtually unchanged from PPP’s previous survey of Ohio in late June. Obama is also holding his lead among Ohio women, while receiving a significant bump among independents in the state. The president and Romney were locked at 42 percent among independents in June; Obama has now opened up a 10-point lead with independent Ohio voters, 49 percent to 39 percent.”
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FYI ladies
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Only by 3 and not a single Ryan ad has hit the airwaves yet… boy are you guys in trouble!
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Whoops Indie, you have an old poll from Sat, here’s one from Sunday:
Rasmussen Reports Ohio: 8/13 – 8/13 500 LV Obama 45% Romney 45% Tie
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Transparency? How about we make a deal? Romney’s tax records for Obama’s school records… and Fast and Furious E-Mails?
What is Obama hiding?
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I must confess, that I, too, like Romney, use every means possible to avoid paying taxes. I take my all my exemptions and deductions. Yes, I even took advantage of the evil Bush tax rates to get even more money back in my refund from his raised tuition credits. Some of that money was used to buy a continued subscription to the Ironton Tribune.
I feel more transparent now.
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