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Looking at 47 percent victims
Published 10:49am Friday, September 21, 2012“There are 47 percent…who are dependent on government…who believe they are entitled…to you name it.” Mitt Romney in a May 2012 fundraiser speech.
Mr. Romney, and many of his Republican supporters, believe that America is becoming a dependency nation and, as Tea Party folks argue, socialist because of it. The words above are a part of a Republican dialogue that is common within the party, but usually avoided in public settings.
But they are wrong and are using social stereotyping to define almost half of America as takers, moochers, deadbeats, and hopeless clients of the federal government, clinging to their laziness and self-indulgence.
These are the people who endlessly repeat that our deficits are “a spending problem, not a revenue problem” in spite of increasing numbers of Baby Boomer retirements into Social Security and higher numbers on those without health insurance in America seeking care.
So who are the 47 percent?
Based on the Romney criteria of not paying federal taxes 60 percent of them are the working poor, not required by tax law to pay federal taxes based upon their low incomes.
Some are over 65 and entitled to tax exemptions on all or part of their Social Security income.
Some do not earn enough income to pay taxes, for example a family of four earning less than $26,000.
Some are students getting college loans and subsidies.
And 4,000 of them are families earning over $1 million dollars who pay no taxes due to tax code provisions.
They are not all Obama supporters; in fact nine of the top ten states in poverty rates are in the South, all states that may vote for Romney in November.
And they are people who often spend more of their total income in taxes than Mr. Romney, even though not paying federal income taxes. According to Citizens for Tax Justice, considering all federal, state and local taxes, Americans earning under $40,000 annually pay between 18.7 percent and 27 percent in taxes. Americans earning up to $66,000 pay 30 percent in taxes. Mr. Romney pays about 13 percent in federal tax plus his state and local tax burden.
Are they really lazy dependents on the government?
Well, most of them work, and American workers are hardly lazy.
In fact American workers have the highest productivity of any workers on the planet, work more hours weekly than their European counterparts, have zero days off provided for by federal law unlike their counterparts, and actually receive fewer paid vacation days (13) than most: France, 37; Germany, 35; United Kingdom, 28; Japan, 25.
Do they expect too much help from government?
Yes, according to Romney and Republican attacks on U.S. “socialism.”
But consider unemployment compensation, recently reduced in many states, can be as low as 27 percent of previous earnings for hard-working Americans out of work.
Norwegians laid off who have worked 52 weeks over the previous three years receive 90 percent of their previous earnings for up to four years.
Finnish unemployment pays 85 percent of earnings for one year.
Germany pays up to 90 percent of earnings for one year.
Or, consider the very existence of the Social Safety net, a concept not all Republicans embrace. Rome provided for citizens who could not afford to buy food.
The Song Dynasty (1000AD) established retirement homes and public health clinics.
In Germany today 27.6 percent of GDP is dedicated to funding the social safety net, compared to 16.2 percent in America.
And who really receives the most welfare in America?
According to the conservative Cato Institute corporations received $92 billion in corporate welfare in 2006 while Thinknumber.org compares that to $59 billion in social services for the same year.
Mr. Romney and Republicans who rail against American socialism are wrong.
We need an American society of citizens where government neither ignores needs nor encourages complacency…where the circumstances of birth do not limit the opportunity for excelling, and where honest work is not dishonored by those who have never known labor in their acquisition of wealth.
Jim Crawford is a retired educator and political enthusiast living here in the Tri-State.




Ya know, creating jobs overseas (outsourced), is this all bad? Ask the Longshoremen, the workers in the Shipping industry and the many others involved in the process of disseminating the goods coming from other countries. Ask the company owners and ask the consumers about cost. Times have changed and are changing, we live in a global economy a united nations you might say. Is it still feasible to maintain our parochialism? There are advantages in creating jobs in other countries even at the apparent loss of jobs in this country. Appearance is sometimes deceptive. There are times when adjustments are imperative. A little in-depth thought is required to arrive at an intelligent and respectable opinion.
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Hey Mick.
I’ve always wondered which is better. Give money to China and try to buy their friendship, or set up companies in China(which we did) and buy their goods at the dollar store? I feel the second option seems to give us more leverage.
Same with other countries. Promise to buy their stuff, and if they bad mouth us, don’t buy their stuff.
We just need to export some of good ole American greed into the populace of these other countries.
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Keep talking like that Mick and the union will take away your shuffleboard privileges
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Indie: “…just like the jobs he outsourced jobs to jack up profits for him and his buddies at Bain Capital.”
Why do nutcases keep on repeating this lie when fact checkers say that isn’t true?
Washington Post Factchecker:
President Obama’s jab at Mitt Romney: ‘All you’ve done is send [China] our jobs’
The Pinocchio Test
The president and his campaign have gone too far here. There is no evidence that Romney, through Bain investments in which he had an active role, was responsible for shipping American jobs to China.
Three Pinocchios
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FactCheck(.)org
Obama’s ‘Outsourcer’ Overreach
The president’s campaign fails to back up its claims that Romney ‘shipped jobs’ overseas.
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Politifact:
Were Romney’s companies ‘pioneers in outsourcing’?
The Obama campaign’s statement would have voters believe that Romney played a key role in driving the outsourcing phenomenon. We find that an exaggeration.
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Keta: Noises, the fact that you’re a shameless liar continues to undercut your arguments. In 2014, the minimum tax for people without coverage will be $95. In 2015, it’s $325. When fully implemented, people with higher incomes who choose not to buy coverage will pay 2.5% of their incomes over and above the threshold for filing a return. For example, if one’s income is $100,000, he/she will pay a tax of $2,025. Great deal. It’s one thing to believe everything you read in skinhead publications. It’s an altogether different thing to preach it as though it’s true.
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I’m a shameless liar getting my information from skinhead publications?
Washington Post
New estimate for health care penalty: Nearly 2M more will pay tax for failing to get coverage
By Associated Press, Published: September 19
WASHINGTON — Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama’s health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class.
The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises.
The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed. The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected in 2016, when the penalty is fully in effect…
And the budget office analysis found that nearly 80 percent of those who’ll face the penalty would be making up to or less than five times the federal poverty level. Currently that would work out to $55,850 or less for an individual and $115,250 or less for a family of four.
Average penalty: about $1,200 in 2016.
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So Keta, which is the skinhead publication? Is it the Associated Press for writing the article, Washington Post for carrying it?
You know, I wouldn’t have to humiliate you so often if you would just have some clue what you are talking about.
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$95, $325 or $1,200… all of those numbers are greater than the single dime Obambi promised not to raise in any form of tax on the middle class.
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Some facts that pertain specifically to the lives of people reading this.
No matter who you are…no matter what your religion is, or even if you have no religious affiliation…whether you’re a man or a woman…old or young…chances are that if you’re reading this Mitt Romney thinks you’re a deadbeat…a moocher…a draw on society, and he’d love to have the chance to get waste like you out of America just like the jobs he outsourced jobs to jack up profits for him and his buddies at Bain Capital.
Yes, Mitt Romney is a cold-blooded aristocrat who was born into a world of entitlement and self-righteous arrogance. As we’ve seen on video now, behind closed doors Mitt Romney loathes the “little people” like 99% of those who live in the Lawrence County area. Romney has been compared to Thurston Howell but I think he’s more like Mr. Potter from It’s a Wonderful Life.
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If I was a 47 percenter waiting for my next monthly dole from the government I wouldn’t vote for Romney either.
Romney/Ryan 2012
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And since indie said that Lawrence county is 99% on the take, Romney won’t get this counties vote.
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I guess that makes me a proud 1 percenter.
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Some facts; President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party are against the Right To Life. President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party are against the most fundamental and basic unit of society, the family, by their endorsement of Same Sex Marriage. President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party are against freedom of conscience as demonstrated by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Facts speak, rhetoric is entertainment. It is quite obvious that many people prefer to be entertained. When it comes to thinking, this is a laborious process that a good number of people would prefer to avoid.
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“who are dependent upon government” The stimulus bill of 2009 that Obama signed suspended a 1996 Welfare Reform Law provision that limited able-body adults from collecting food stamps for more than three months in a 36 month period, with few exceptions. Food stamp recipients promptly doubled from 1.9 million (2008) to 3.9 million (2010). When Congress reinstated the provision on Sept. 30, 2010, Obama used his regulatory authority to keep the waivers for almost all the states. 5 By May 2011, Food Stamps set a new record high of 45.8 million people 6, and by June 2012 that number had increased still further to 46.7 million—one in five. 7 Not quite 47%, granted. But, in fiscal 2012 the US government will spend roughly $210 billion on food stamps, unemployment insurance (with benefits that now run 99 weeks) and welfare. Add the cost of Medicaid and that number climbs to $485 billion. Then, toss in another $1,300 billion for Social Security and Medicare, and we’re starting to talk about real numbers here!8 That’s $1,785 thousand thousand thousand dollars. Yes, that’s THREE separate ‘thousands’, which is what a trillion is. Still, that’s only how much we spend on these programs, not how many people benefit from them. So, just how badly did Romney err with his 47% statement?
Dr Bill Chitwood,Canada free press.
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Vote Obambi folks and get a lot of free stuff!!
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”[They] will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what … These are people who pay no income tax …
”[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”
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Wow. An honest to goodness,HONEST politician.
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A few thoughts: Germany does not pay 90 percent, German tax payers do. And that great Song dynasty was conquered by the Mongols who did took advantage of their weakness, and there were no nursing homes after that.
With all this talk about making the rich pay, if you take a bunch of money from rich people to give to the 47%, where does next year’s dole come from? What is the rich guy’s incentive to be productive if he knows that he has to give it away to the 47%? Isn’t better for the “rich” to be productive and produce jobs that lowers that 47%? I’d rather have a government that gets out of the way and allows the private sector to lower that 47% than one who is able to keep that percentage on the government teat to remain in power.
To quote from Thomas Sowell’s column today in the paper, if you give a man a fish, he is dependent on someone giving him a fish next year too. But I’m accepting that the government dependencies will probably re-elect Obama because they don’t understand simple economics and that percentage will grow.
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Because 6 million people will have to pay the Obambicare $1,200 tax
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Noises, the fact that you’re a shameless liar continues to undercut your arguments. In 2014, the minimum tax for people without coverage will be $95. In 2015, it’s $325. When fully implemented, people with higher incomes who choose not to buy coverage will pay 2.5% of their incomes over and above the threshold for filing a return. For example, if one’s income is $100,000, he/she will pay a tax of $2,025. Great deal. It’s one thing to believe everything you read in skinhead publications. It’s an altogether different thing to preach it as though it’s true.
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Interesting facts Keta. Thanks.
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Europe was in big trouble and they converted all of their money to the Euro,now the Euro is in big trouble. So Jim is that what you and Obama want to do the the USA,make it the little europe.
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That 47% number would be going down if Obambi is re-elected.
Why?
Because 6 million people will have to pay the Obambicare $1,200 tax when it take affect.
But I thought Obambi wasn’t going to increases taxes by a single dime on the middle class?
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I don’t care how much you do or don’t make… every single working person needs to pay tax. If you pay no tax, what do you care is spent on what? The answer is, you don’t care.
Take a 17 yr old kid. One kid has worked since he was 15 to save up his own money for a car. Take another 17 yr old. His parents bought him a car.
Who is going to make sure the oil is changed regularly, rotate the tires. Who is going to take better care of it?
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And 4,000 of them are families earning over $1 million dollars who pay no taxes due to tax code provisions.
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The tax code provision…. you mean where they didn’t actually cash out their bonds? They just put it back into their stock?
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Jim Crawford; Your most pertinent comment? “Mr. Romney and Republicans who rail against American socialism are wrong.”, and backed up by your comment, “But they are wrong and are using social stereotyping to define almost half of America as takers, moochers, deadbeats, and hopeless clients of the federal government, clinging to their laziness and self-indulgence”. My compliments. Now, shall we discuss the Democratic Parties stand on the Killing Of The Unborn (abortion), Same Sex Marriage (sodomy?) and the disregard of Freedom Of Conscience when it comes to moral and religious values? “Aggressive Secularism or Exclusivist Secularism as the Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor puts it, about an aggressive and hegemonic cast of mind that seeks to drive out of the public square any consideration of what God or the moral law might require of a just society.”
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What are Obambi’s plans for America?
•Redistribution of wealth from those who own the means of production to those who don’t
•Fostering of class envy and economic class warfare
•Government control of the health care system and education
•Increased taxes on the wealthy (whomever he decides is wealthy)
•Taxing corporations for being too successful
•Punishing with new federal taxes, employers who do not choose to purchase Obamacare health insurance for their employees
•Increased deference to the United Nations and erosion of our national sovereignty
•Consorting with enemies of Israel and America
•Bigger and more intrusive government
•Appointing federal commissars with no constitutional authority to do so
•Ensuring that America is not a superpower, but an equal among all nations
•Denigrating religion (which as Marx noted, is the opiate of the masses) and
•Disregarding the Constitution in an effort to re-form (remould) a foundational document that has served us well for over two centuries.
.supports the slaughter of the unborn at every turn.
.tearing down traditional marriage.
etc.,etc.,etc.
If your on welfare, vote Obambi
Want a job along with a free society again, vote ROMNEY.
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Working man. You can see what is happening to the 3rd largest school system with the worst graduate record,when the real teachers are bumped from a job by incompetence that have tenure.
Reagan knew exactly what to do.
2600 jobs lost in WVA thanks to Obambi’s EPA.
Vote for jobs.
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Good story Jim. This week all of America has seen the truth. Mitt Romney has been exposed as a sneering aristocrat who loathes all who’re not part of his exclusive country club set.
Anyone in the middle-class who votes from this blue-blood is, in my opinion, a traitor to the working man.
These are the people, in my opinion, who suck up to their bosses at work and everything about them is fake. All that they do is designed to score points with their economic overlords…desperately seeking to one day join their ranks…and to impress their neighbors in an attempt to seem like they’re more than they are.
Wake up and start voting for your interests! You’re not rich and you’re not convincing anyone that you are.
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For comparison:
US,pop,314 million,land mass,9,800,000 sq km.
Japan,127 million, 378,000 sq km
UK,63 million, 241,000 sq km
Germany, 81 million,348,000 sq km
France, 62 million,551,000 sq km
Go ahead and make comparisons between US and Europe.
No comparisons.
Next step, turn the White House so it faces Mecca.
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Victims yes some are real victims and need and require all the help they can get but too many Jim are what you and your liberal friends want and that is total dependence on a Big Govt of handout and entitlements that so many seem to think is the way of life. Well the pres if elected will get a big load of trouble and neither you or him can then play the blame game! Can’t wait to see that happen sure someone like you will always have an excuse for there failings much like our economy, foreign polices and now yes this Obama Care that leaves out the elderly to fend for themselves and cuts to medicare to support this failed ObamaCare have already started. May be hidden from voters till after the election but expect more failures on both ends.
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