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Sen. Barack Obama is scheduled to be at Shawnee State University in Portsmouth on Thursday.
Obama plans Portsmouth stop
Rally set for at 7:30 p.m. Shawnee State University
Published Tuesday, October 7, 2008
CINCINNATI (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will campaign in southern Ohio, a region struggling economically even before the current financial crisis, during a two–day bus trip this week.
His campaign Monday said he will speak Thursday in rallies at Dayton’s Fifth Third Field, a minor league baseball park; Cincinnati’s Ault Park Pavilion; and on the Shawnee State University campus in Portsmouth at 7:30 p.m. The gates open at 5:30 p.m. Details of the campaign swing’s second day haven’t been released yet.
Obama will focus on job creation in the state. Portsmouth is in Scioto County, where unemployment is nearly 10 percent. Four nearby Appalachian Ohio counties have double–digit rates.
Gov. Ted Strickland, who will campaign with Obama, said the trip should boost Obama’s chances in a swing region of what has been a swing state in presidential elections. President Bush ran well in southern Ohio while carrying the state twice, and so did Democrat Bill Clinton.
“I think it’s important for people to see Barack Obama and to hear him personally, and to understand that Barack Obama is reaching out to them and asking for their support,” Strickland said.
The rural region is more heavily white than most of Ohio, and Obama’s race has been expected to cost him some votes in southeastern Ohio. But Strickland said he thinks the economy will trump such considerations.
“This current economic climate is sad, and unfortunately, it’s hurting a lot of people and families. But I think in the political sense, it is focusing the attention of the people on the economy and away from the more superficial things,” he said.
President Bush narrowly clinched his 2004 re–election by winning Ohio. The state looms as another tight race and crucial to Republican John McCain’s hopes of succeeding Bush.
Terry Johnson, head of the Scioto County GOP, said he welcomes the visit for a couple reasons.
“It never hurts to see and hear as much as possible of the candidates,” he said. “The more I see of Obama, the more I want to vote for John McCain.”
McCain has already campaigned in the county, holding a town hall event at Portsmouth High School.
“I think it’s good to have this much attention focused on our area, even from the Democrats,” Johnson said. “I look forward to any national luminary enjoying our hospitality.”
While Strickland is very popular in his home area, many residents will recall that he was a vigorous advocate for Obama’s primary opponent, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Johnson said. She captured more than 80 percent of the Scioto County vote in March.
Obama will be in southwest Ohio the same day that GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin is campaigning there, in the Wilmington area.
Comments
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)
From the Washington Post, comes this story about at one rally with McCain, a man called Obama a terrorist. McCain did not silence him. Then in Florida, a "supporter" yelled that they should "kill him," when speaking of Senator Obama.
And now this was directed at a black journalist:
One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."
Here's the story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
If McCain-Mc-Fail-in do not support these comments, why do they just simply smile and giggle at them???
Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Worth a repeat.
The Great Depression has arrived.
Sorry for straying.
Actually it is an economic comment and that is one of the areas they talk about.
Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In case you are wondering, I looked up what media existed at that time in the 30's at the OSU library in 1976, newspapers, magazines, etc., etc., from day one and I could only find one article in a magazine about an elderly woman that lost her money in the stock market.
Radio shows I could not check obviously.
I may have missed something since It was a personal project when I was bored, but I tried to be thorough.
Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
michaelOH, I agree! Next will be a run on the banks.
Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I find it appalling that the national media and libs see us as backwoods hilljacks. Every story from the AP and the lib media outlets always brings up the race issue acting like everyone in our region is a card carrying klansmen. That's just pathetic.
They couldn't be farther away from the truth.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 7, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
osu ... that article was written by Dana Milbank, who is known for being anti-Bush columnist for the Washington Post. Dana Milbank has not been a stranger to controversy. Secondly, if someone from that crowd yelled "Kill Him" in reference to Barack Obama, the Secret Service would been on top of that person like white on rice. It is a crime to make those kind of remarks. Also on research there are no other news souces reporting on the supposed rants from Palin or McCain audience members. Again you are doing nothing but attempting to smear McCain, just like the $5 Million is middle class misquote ...
http://www.danamilbank.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Milban...
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Considering how often that McCain voted with Bush, fell out of touch with the economy and managed to pick one of the worst Vice presidential candidates in years, I would say McCain provided some of the best evidence himself as to why he shouldn't be president.
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well all I can say is this--there is video and audio footage of the "kill him" remark and the "terrorist" remark. Both candidates just kind of smile and giggle.
Say what you want about Milbank.
That type of behavior might be acceptable in South Carolina.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 7, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have the perfect answers to the Worlds Problems.
-- Declare Marshall Law - Worldwide
-- Abolish all national currency worldwide and establish a World Currency
-- Unify all Nations under one government
-- Eliminate all media and press except for the official propaganda arm of the new government (MSNBC would fill that role)
-- Appoint Barack Obama as leader of the unified World Government - William Ayers would be military leader and Jeremiah Wright head of the World Church
-- The World Capital would be located in Iran
-- The religious capital would be in Kenya
-- Declare as a birthright a mud hut and bicycle that you can call your own
-- Declare it illegal to consume petroleum products like gasoline, heating oil or natural gas unless you are part of the ruling class
-- Dissenters would be isolated to the North American continent
-- Establish a new worker class that would be given a meager existence in order to help maintain systems and work in factories.
-- No need for Television or Radio or Internet and those media outlets would be banned
-- No automobiles, no Hummers, Escalades or Ford Escorts. No electric cars, no natural gas cars, no vehicles at all expect for the ruling class
-- Mark all people electronically, except the ruling class, so that they can be tracked 24 / 7
-- No more worries or complaints about the rich, nobody would have wealth except the ruling class
-- No more taxes either ... since the government would own everything anyway ...
-- No need for healthcare ... lack of healthcare would control the population, issues like abortion automatically go away - of course the ruling class would be exempt and physicians in the worker class would see to the health of the rulers.
-- No need to find alternate energy sources, since 1/3 to 1/2 of the world population will be eliminiated
Yes I say we need change and we need it NOW!
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In Ohio, it's called MARTIAL law.
A lot of those things sound like we have under under the Bush-Cheney regime.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 7, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you for the English lesson osu ...
Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
padanorr, one I ignore
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The DOW closed -508.39 today.
With John McCain proclaiming that the fundamentals of the economy are strong, it is no wonder he doesn't want to talk about the economy.
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Padanorr, or what ever your name is. Spewing ridiculous political rhetoric is not going to help get your point across. As a matter of fact your right wing ideals might be perfect for a Republican nomination.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 7, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
gametime I appreciate the "kind" words ...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 7, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Questions The Media Should Ask Barack Obama
1. What precisely was the nature of Senator Obama’s relationship with convicted real estate developer Tony Resko? Why did he engage in a real estate deal with Rezko when he was under federal investigation? What “advice” did he give Obama about buying a house in Chicago?
2. Why has Obama proclaimed that he has been fighting alongside ACORN, a radical leftwing organization, his “entire career”?
3. What exactly has been Obama’s experience with ACORN?
4. What was the nature of the “training” Obama provided to ACORN activists in Chicago?
5. What exactly occurred during the “actions” that Obama organized as a community organizer? Did the “actions” involve intimidation by any of the participants Obama led?
6. Why did ACORN activists humiliate bankers into giving bad loans after Obama trained them?
7. Why did Obama seek ACORN’s endorsement in his state senate race?
8. What, if any, support did ACORN provide Obama in his 2004 Senate race?
9. Why was Obama silent on the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform package in 2005?
10. Why did Obama say that sub-prime lending was a “good thing”?
11. Why did Obama support $500 million a year going to ACORN-like organizations in the housing bailout this past summer?
12. Why did the Woods Fund and the Joyce Foundation direct millions to organizations such as ACORN while Obama was serving on the board of those foundations?
13. Why did Madeleine Talbot, one time fiery leader of Chicago ACORN, invite Obama to help train their organizers in the 1990s?
14. Why did Obama attend a fundraiser at George Soros’s home during his 2004 campaign?
15. Why didn’t Obama return campaign contributions from George Soros?
16. Why did Obama vote to raise taxes on people making as little as $42,000 per year?
17. Has Senator Obama or his campaign coordinated with St. Louis law enforcement authorities who are threatening criminal libel charges against critics of Obama who make statements that are found to by law enforcement officials to be “false”?
18. Are the Obama campaign’s “internet action alerts” directing supporters to overwhelm call-in radio show that are critical of Obama consistent with the fair and open campaign the Senator has pledged to run?
19. When did Senator Obama first meet domestic terrorist William Ayers? Did Obama know Ayres as a student at Columbia in the early 1980s?
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 7, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well well ... finally the media is giving the Ayers / Obama issue a look see ... CNN news report ....
Seems like Ayers was more than just someone that lived in Obama's neighborhood and that Obama just had a passing acquaintance with ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLort...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 7, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
... when you anti-Palin liberals rant about Trooper-Gate ... you must have missed this .... seems like Obama is using the courts to delay the investigation into his citizenship and legal qualification to be President.
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(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/06/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss (which was) filed on 09/24/08.
While legal, Berg stated he is “outraged as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President.
It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.
Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I found that at least personally, everyone that disputes me about voting FOR Obama is at the other end of the income scale.
I can hardly blame them for not wanting to lose their tax cuts, but something far more important is at stake in my book.
It is called THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .
I am not about ! to engage the trash talkers either.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The DOW closed -508.39 today.
With John McCain proclaiming that the fundamentals of the economy are strong, it is no wonder he doesn't want to talk about the economy.
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Hey OSU how is what McCain said any different than Obama saying that "The long-term fundamentals of the economy are strong"????
Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I suggest that that "copy and paste" not be allowed on this site MR. Caldwell.
For one thing it takes up entirely too much space and is confusing.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mr. Calwell, what he's trying to say is that he doesn't like having proof/facts that liberal statements are false.
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
want your answerto your questions
FightTheSmears.com/BarackObama
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh, and the Ayers thing, Barrack was 8 years old while he Ayers was active as a political extremists. Cut the conspiracy crap and wake up! You want to talk about political corruption, just ask McCain about the Lincoln savings and loan scandal.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 7, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
gametime ...
this 8 year old stuff is ridiculous ...
Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation.
William (Bill) Ayers, unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist and a friend of the Obamas, was instrumental in founding the Challenge, thanks to his ties to Mayor Richard Daley. The first Daley was also a pal of Thomas Ayers, Bill’s father, former CEO of ComEd (owned by Exelon).
This did NOT happen when Obama was 8 years old ....
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh, and the Ayers thing, Barrack was 8 years old while he Ayers was active as a political extremists. Cut the conspiracy crap and wake up! You want to talk about political corruption, just ask McCain about the Lincoln savings and loan scandal.
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Lets see what the democratic prosecutor in the Keating 5 scandal had to say about McCain:
ROBERT BENNETT: You know, I’m in a pretty unique position to talk about John McCain. First, I should tell your listeners I’m a registered Democrat, so I’m not on his side of a lot of issues. But I investigated John McCain for a year and a half, at least, when I was special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee in the Keating Five, which, by the way, this “New York Times” article goes back to and discusses, goes back years and years.
And if there is one thing I am absolutely confident of, it is John McCain is an honest and honest man. I recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that he be cut out of the case, that there was no evidence against him...
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If Timothy McVeigh had been released because of illegally obtained evidence like Ayers was and had been part of McCain's life and political gatherings, would you say that it was all irrelevant?
Nah, didn't think so.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
All "vast left-wing conspiracy theories" aside, I think the American people are ready for a President who has the ability to turn things around. Despite the various issues that have been floated, this election is about the economy now. It will, I believe, be viewed 20 years from now as a national referendum on trickle down economics.
That's what the polls indicate. Some people always outperform and God bless them. Most Americans, though, would have the same answer to the question "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" No.
How's your 401K plan doing America? Have you been debating whether to just pull out now and take the losses or try to ride it out? Are you worried about the money you've put away for your retirement?
A person could try to make a case against all this but objective Americans know the truth. Our economy is hurting and our people are hurting. Given the magnitude of our financial crisis those Independent and undecided voters aren't going to be swayed by the "swift-boat" type of attacks that are inevitably heading Obama's way. He knows it's coming and he's ready.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo, (and by the way, welcome back) Why do you think Obama can "turn things around"? When he was founding chairman and president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, his ONLY executive experience, he failed miserably. A 100 million dollar failure. Supposed to help with the education of Chicago's kids, even the project's own final report called it a failure. It was such a disaster, he never even talks about it now. Of course another reason he is loathe to talk about it was that his boss was William Ayers... you know, they guy that lived in his neighborhood and that he didn't really know...
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey you guy's vote for who you want. Just don't cry when McBush manages to accomplish absolutely nothing in his 4 years, and we are right back to square one. As for the Ayers thing, a political association with a man that has a radical background is not grounds for slander. I am sure that if you check into the backgrounds of every politician they have skeletons in their closet. The difference is Ayers was convicted of nothing, regardless of the reason, and is a prominent leader on the forefront of education reform in his hometown(I am sure you guy's can ind something else to copy paste that you think will disprove that). So for those of you that think Obama is running home to pal around with his big buddy Ayer's, then you truly have succomb to the conspiracy bug. I bet that you think there was explosives at the base of the World Trade Center.
This race is about more than who these candidates past political associations were. Because if it were than the Lincoln savings scandal should hold weight. McCain was friends with a man that swindled millions of dollars from people who and was convicted of his crimes. If you're so blind as to spend all your time trying to fire people up about irrelvant issues, than you sould propably just go back to your mom's basement and play world of warcraft with all your other out of touch friends.
This election is about who will help restore our standing in the world, and prepare us economically for the coming challenges of the new millenium. Jon McCain doesn't understand the new age we are living in. Our mass communications, our global economy, these are the major issues we are face today. Think about these issues in the coming weeks, and lay off the political slander. We can speculate and go back and forth all you want. Find all the archived news articles you want. Just remeber that these men have obviously been under the most intense political scrutiny, that it would be impossible for any stones to go unturned. If you think that what you have said something new, then you are wrong. We are all aware of the candidates past, and they have reached the step where on of them will become the next President. So you keep avoiding the issues at hand and focus on your out of touch ideals. It is amazing what time you all must have to copy and paste stories you have found on the internet. How about mustering up an original thought next time before you log back on.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Noesis, thanks for the welcome. I have plenty of reasons for believing Obama is, by far, the only candidate for President who can lead the turnaround of this economy. However, from my experience here, the line of questioning that starts with "Why do you think that..." typically is merely a tactic used to then distort facts and introduce distractions into the mix. America doesn't care about McCain's line of attacks including Ayers and the rest. America expected that. That's what happens when there's less than a month until election day and you're down in all the polls.
America is concerned, and rightly so, about the economy and it's impact on the future of this country. Will we be able to stabilize the financial system? Will we be able to reverse the ongoing trend of increasing unemployment? Will we be able to stop the hemorrhaging in the stock market? Will we be able to count on our 401Ks to be there for us at retirement?
These attacks from the McCain camp and those supporting them are an insult to the intelligence of the American people. They demonstrates a willingness both to say anything to get elected and a willingness to put himself, and not America, first.
Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here's something interesting. A pro-Obama group, ACORN, is being charged with voter fraud.
In Nevada, they registered dead people to vote and even submitted the entire Dallas Cowboy's lineup as new voters.
Maybe someone should ask Obama about this while he's in Portsmouth.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/...
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We can expect to see an abundance of outlandish charges and attacks as we approach November 4.
Fortunately, as all the polls indicate, America is focused on the economy and is prepared to vote for the one man, Barack Obama, who will turn the page on trickle down economics and rampant deregulation and corruption on Wall Street.
As election day approaches and the level of desperation in the McCain camp increases we all know there will be more of these outlandish charges and attacks, but we won't be distracted. Under the failed leadership of George Bush our economy is now is in the midst of the worst crisis since the Great Depression. It's time for change. It's time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past and Barack Obama is the man who will bring this change.
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Very well put Neo
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well good afternoon Neo ...
Actually this election has little to do with what you call "Failed Bush Policies" and more to do with social experiements gone bad. This entire credit mess / housing mess can be laid at the feet of the Democrats that have been in power for the last 2 years.
Up until 2 years ago the American people were doing pretty well. One might ask well what happened 2 years ago? Pretty good question and that is the crux of the matter. 2 years ago the Democrats were able to regain power and a Majority in the House of Representatives and The US Senate. Nancy Pelosi promised change and a willingness to work across the isle. That did not happen.
Now you want the American people to elect a Democrat President who has the distinct honor of being known as one of the most liberal US Senators ever with a Democrat controlled do-nothing congress.
Now as it goes for your charge of "outlandish" attacks, the issue of Ayers and Obama is now gaining traction in the media.
It is a known fact that William Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground who were and as far as I am concerned still domestic terrorists. William Ayers never appologized to the American people. Right after 911 William Ayers standing on a US Flag declared that he wished they had done MORE bombing.
The relationship with the man I just described and Barack Obama is MORE than just a passing acquaintance as Obama has stated. Obama is not being forthright and truthful about the relationship between Ayers (Terrorist) and Himself.
This is NOT a distraction from the issues at hand either. Again this goes to the very heart of Barack Obama's character and where he wants to lead this country.
Now as a side note, if you want to play fair ... then fine ... but I am going to let you know man to man I know exactly who you are and I know how you know me. If you want to get down in the mud I will get down in the mud with you. Otherwise if you choose I will respect you as a person and continue to debate our political passions in a clean fashion. The ball is in your court.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
With all due respect, this election IS about the economy now more than ever. Turn on your TV and tune into any news channel. Our financial system is in crisis. The stock market is plummeting. Unemployment rates continue to rise. The buying power of American households continues to fall.
As the facts and the polls indicate, Americans agree with Barack Obama when he says it's time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past. The policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and rampant corruption have put us into what is now the worst finincial crisis since the Great Depression.
America knows that as election day nears and desperation in the McCain camp increases there will be more and more efforts to make this campaign about ANYTHING BUT the economy and the failed economic policies of George Bush and John McCain.
Americans are smart enough to know this is coming and we are smart enough to know that it is time for change. America is smart enough to know that Barack Obama will lead America back to strength and prosperity as the next President of the United States.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks gametime.
Posted by turbo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NEO,
Welcome back. I knew you would be back but was afraid you would have to change your name to be accepted. We missed your postings.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks turbo.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gametime: "I bet that you think there was explosives at the base of the World Trade Center."
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What, you think we are a bunch of moonbat liberals?
I also find it pretty amazing that you would compare a self acknowledged terrorist with a guy who swindled money.
Be that as it may, the big difference is that McCain and Keating were friends long before Keating started swindling people. Obama on the other hand, knew what type of people he was dealing with. Ayers was a domestic terrorist before he met him, Wright was preaching racists statements the first sermon that he heard from him, he knew that Rezco was dirty when he had him help buy a house.
And if the Keating 5 was such a big issue, why is Obama having John Glenn stumping for him?
And Neo, I see you want no part of a losing argument (on your part) by discussing the Chicago Annenburg Challenge. Again, you provide zero evidence that Obama can back up his words with deeds. He has not accomplished anything politically and when it came time to stand up and make tough decisions, he punted and voted "present".
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm taking part in a winning argument...the one that says Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. Barack Obama will turn the page on the failed economic policies of George Bush and John McCain, and lead America back to strength and prosperity.
The American People are seeing the picture more clearly every day as indicated in all the polls. Barack Obama is the man who will lead America out of this economic crisis.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gallup Daily: Obama’s Lead Over McCain Expands to 11
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111040/Gallup...
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As a matter of fact some of you do come across as just that. Again you want to point at issues, that in my eyes, are resolved issues. You might think that because you pick up the paper and see these findings about Ayers that this will finally be the straw that broke the camels back. From what I am hearing, you never had any intention of voting for anyone but McCain. That is fine. Vote for him. What is it that you want us to say. You have obviously read all of the same things that we have. So get off it already. Do you believe that Obama will stand on the American flag as well?
I had posted before on a different page about why I am choosing Obama. THE ECONOMY. Until McCain can show me he has a plan, other than handing over another three hundred billion dollars without federal regulation, then he does not get my vote. You keep avoiding the REAL issues. A defunct political radical is what you are basing your vote on. Tell me what it is that you expect from the Obama administration. You talk about the past, or as Palin put it,"Joe you keep looking back", well maybe now is the time to look forward. I bet your the type of voters that get fired up with the patriotic cry that Republicans love so. "Don't question the war, it is not patriotic." "Don't question the President it is un-American." Don't you think it strange that not much has been said about Ayer's, or ACORN, until the 11th hour when it appears that defeat is now eminate for the Republicans. They are just grabbing at straws. The republican campaign is desperate and aware that they contain no real "change" as they like to claim they will bring. You must have took a debate lesson from Palin. Avoid the question at hand, and talk about how your a Maverick. That will solve everything.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
gametime ... I am actually not ready to "get off it already" as you say ...
The issues I raise are not resolved and have been bascially glossed over by the biased media in an attempt to support their selected candidate. While we raise the issues of character and associations we are also raising the issues of the economy and things like health care and national security.
Obama is unvetted, untried and only has a 2 year record in the US Senate. During those 2 years he has garnered some nice reputations as being one of the most liberal Senators ever. He is a spender as his record of outlandish earmarks have proven. Oh yes this year he suspended all his earmarks but that doesn't erase the history of all the earmarks he has requested.
I suppose you can liken this to a parent who scolds their children for doing something wrong and the child points out that the parent is doing the same thing. Take smoking for example. How can a parent tell their kids to not smoke then they puff on 2 packs per day?
The same with Obama. What he says and what he has done do not add up.
You remember that old saying ... Do as I say not as I do?
I think that applys to Barack Obama. You don't lead by words you lead by example. I want a leader that I can I point to and say yes that is a good example of leadership. Not someone that that spent most of his time in the Senate running for this office and building up his political resume.
John McCain is an exemplary example of leadership by example. Senator Barack Obama is not.
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Want to learn about the real Jon McCain
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/2...
Truth hurts sometimes.
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Leadership by example. "You have really bought into the persona that Jon McCain has built for himself.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo said,
October 7, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Oh no. Bernanke is on live TV again. The market is down 250 now…this will probably take it down to minus 400 at least by market close.
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Closing Bell….Dow is down by 508.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo said,
October 7, 2008 at 4:10 pm
That puts the Dow at 9,454 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.
That’s a drop of 3,546 points or 27.3%.
It’s time for a real change America.
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I read that Rolling Stone magazine expose into John McCain. What struck me is the title:
"John McCain: Make Believe Maverick"
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey, Neo---
"The fundamentals of our economy are strong."
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Dow was down again today, by 191 points.
John McCain just doesn't get it. He is, in his own words, "a deregulator by nature." He thought "the fundamentals of our economy" were strong on the very day the Dow plummeted by 777 points, ushering in the "bailout" talks. He then lied, in my opinion, by trying to say that by "fundamental" he meant "American worker." He said the fundamentals of our economy were strong 15 times before that...this year...and NEVER said he was talking about the "American worker." He did not see this crisis coming, even when it was as close as the very nose on his face. McCain sees the world the same way Bush does when it comes to his support for the failed economic policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption. We can't afford 4 more years.
Barack Obama has the vision to understand that we need to turn the page on the failed economic policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption. Barack Obama is the man who will lead America out of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and ensure we can count on things like our 401Ks, the solvency of our banks and an end to the month-after-month increases in the unemployment rate.
Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I find it fascinating that many on here revere Barack Obama to the extent of believing he can be all things to all people.
where did he come from? how does an obscure state senator rise to where he is? who is bankrolling him? why is the media in love with him? It is all so intriguing. Is he the answer to every single problem, is he so perfect, so "visionary", that he will always have the right answer?
what pressure is being put on him. A teen ager told me today that she believes he has the intelligence to figure out our problems. I was pleased with that remark, she wasn't citing youtubes, etc, but speaking from the heart.
is he, and if he's not, and is elected, what then? and what will the media have to complain about if he is elected? Will the Obermann and Maddow shows be paeans to his greatness night after night? why does all this seem to be a plotline from a Ray Bradbury novel?
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Leadership by example. "You have really bought into the persona that Jon McCain has built for himself.
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Actually the converse is true ... it is amazing how otherwise supposedly intelligent adults will bow at the waist in front of the Obama alter.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Fundamentals of the Economy Are Strong, But Only When I Say So (Barack Obama)
Huh? Hasn’t he been giving McCain hell for saying the same thing? Oh well, typical Obama, he usually does end up agreeing with McCain…so, we might as well vote for McCain.
http://sooshisoo.wordpress.com/2008/09/2...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
John McCain is right ... (Senator Barack Obama)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZ...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"The fundamental business of the country is on a sound and prosperous basis." -- HERBERT HOOVER, Oct. 25, 1929
The fundamentals of our economy are strong." -- John McCain
This is leadership ... Not like the ailment of Barack Obama - Narcissism
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama supporters were asked to “name any one specific accomplishment of Barack Obama”. Guess what? They couldn’t do it.
Thanks to people like this, who are voting simply for “personality” over record, experience, qualifications and who are too lazy and sheep-minded to LEARN anything about the candidate they’re supporting, we might end up with an inexperienced, naive, unqualified president with a hella load of questions regarding his extreme radical background.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPMOD7tcI...
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What is even more amazing is to hear people revere Jon McCain so much. You put him at a god like status. I don't think that any of us are saying Obam is the best thing since sliced bread. But he does have a better grip on how to deal with the economy. I like seeing you all with egg on your face praising McCain as a hero when he is really a shallow self promoter who only has his interests in mind. And as for Obama saying the fundametals of the economy are strong, all politician back track. How nieve are you to believe either of these men are anything but politicians, saying what ever it takes to get into offfice. At least most of what Obama say's sounds intelectual. All McCain can utter are a few tired political slogans. "Pork-barrell ear mark spending", "a strong hand at the till". The only problem is now Jonny 's daddy isn't here to save him this time!!
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Biden’s long-lost gaffe mate.
This is really funny ... a Biden Rally ... must see ...
Maybe this guy is like a lot of Democrats ... closet McCain supporters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPywKOTQZ...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
gametime I promise I don't have egg on my face ... I really don't ...
As for self promoting ... I do believe Barack Obama fits that description best ... actually it is called Narcissism
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"When McCain became a senator in 1986, filling the seat of retiring Republican icon Barry Goldwater, he was finally in a position that a true maverick could use to battle the entrenched interests in Washington. Instead, McCain did the bidding of his major donor, Charlie Keating, whose financial empire was on the brink of collapse. Federal regulators were closing in on Keating, who had taken federally insured deposits from his Lincoln Savings and Loan and leveraged them to make wildly risky real estate ventures. If regulators restricted his investments, Keating knew, it would all be over.
In the year before his Senate run, McCain had championed legislation that would have delayed new regulations of savings and loans. Grateful, Keating contributed $54,000 to McCain's Senate campaign. Now, when Keating tried to stack the federal regulatory bank board with cronies, McCain made a phone call seeking to push them through. In 1987, in an unprecedented display of political intimidation, McCain also attended two meetings convened by Keating to pressure federal regulators to back off. The senators who participated in the effort would come to be known as the Keating Five.
"Senate historians were unable to find any instance in U.S. history that was comparable, in terms of five U.S. senators meeting with a regulator on behalf of one institution," says Bill Black, then deputy director of the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation, who attended the second meeting. "And it hasn't happened since."
Looks like McCain defended his crooked friend right in the middle of the scandal. I can copy paste too!!
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Politically Drunk On Power!
Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996
In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards. The admittedly Socialist Organization experienced a moderate rise in numbers between 1995 and 1999. By 1999, however, the Socialist 'New Party' was essentially defunct after losing a supreme court challenge that ruled the organizations "fusion" reform platform as unconstitutional.
After allegations surfaced in early summer over the 'New Party's' endorsement of Obama, the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member of either organization. The DSA and 'New Party' then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA's New Party.
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/200...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
wink wink ... hey gametime ... McCain was cleared of any wrong doing in the Keating 5 scandal.
Here is the text of a statement from Bob Bennett who was the Democratic Keating Investigation Counsel.
But it seemed that the Democrats didn't want just Democrats implicated. Oh by the way ... since you bring up Keating 5 ... Did you know that John Glenn is stumping for Obama. John Glenn was not exonerated in the Keating 5 scandal.
"After reviewing my report, the committee voted on October 23, 1990, to hold a public adjudicatory fact-finding hearing in the matter as to all five senators. This was perhaps the first time the recommendation of a special counsel not to charge a senator was rejected. This was pure politics as the Democrats on the committee did not want to cut McCain loose so that only Democrats would remain in the proceedings. If Senator McCain was not going to be cut loose, in retaliation the Republicans were going to keep Senator Glenn in the proceedings. McCain was the victim of politics, and poor Glenn was held captive to the decision on McCain. So much for nonpartisanship." -- Democratic Keating Investigation Counsel Robert Bennett
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"McCain is sensitive about his physical appearance, especially his height. The candidate is only five-feet-nine, making him the shortest party nominee since Michael Dukakis. On the night he was elected senator in 1986, McCain exploded after discovering that the stage setup for his victory speech was too low; television viewers saw his head bobbing at the bottom of the screen, his chin frequently cropped from view. Enraged, McCain tracked down the young Republican who had set up the podium, prodding the volunteer in the chest while screaming that he was an "incompetent little s%#t." Jon Hinz, the director of the Arizona GOP, separated the senator from the young man, promising to get him a milk crate to stand on for his next public appearance.
During his 1992 campaign, at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there." McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c$nt." Even though the incident was witnessed by three reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place.
In the Senate — where, according to former GOP Sen. Bob Smith, McCain has "very few friends" — his volcanic temper has repeatedly led to explosive altercations with colleagues and constituents alike. In 1992, McCain got into a heated exchange with Sen. Chuck Grassley over the fate of missing American servicemen in Vietnam. "Are you calling me stupid?" Grassley demanded. "No, I'm calling you a f%$#king jerk!" yelled McCain. Sen. Bob Kerrey later told reporters that he feared McCain was "going to head-butt Grassley and drive the cartilage in his nose into his brain." The two were separated before they came to blows. Several years later, during another debate over servicemen missing in action, an elderly mother of an MIA soldier rolled up to McCain in her wheelchair to speak to him about her son's case. According to witnesses, McCain grew enraged, raising his hand as if to strike her before pushing her wheelchair away.
Last year, after barging into a bipartisan meeting on immigration legislation and attempting to seize the reins, McCain was called out by fellow GOP Sen. John Cornyn of Texas. "Wait a second here," Cornyn said. "I've been sitting in here for all of these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You're out of line." McCain exploded: "F%$k you! I know more about this than anyone in the room." The incident foreshadowed McCain's 11th-hour theatrics in September, when he abruptly "suspended" his campaign and inserted himself into the Wall Street bailout debate at the last minute, just as congressional leaders were attempting to finalize a bipartisan agreement.
Yeah let's put this guy's finger on the button!!
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey, they never convicted Ayer's of wrong doing, but according to you that does not matter. So if that is the case, since it was said it must be true right? RIGHT?
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey you want to play the slander Obama game. I got plenty of ammo against McCain so keep it coming!!
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
At least three of McCain's GOP colleagues have gone on record to say that they consider him temperamentally unsuited to be commander in chief. Smith, the former senator from New Hampshire, has said that McCain's "temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him." Sen. Domenici of New Mexico has said he doesn't "want this guy anywhere near a trigger." And Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi weighed in that "the thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded."
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
More recently, McCain's jokes have heightened tensions with Iran. The senator once cautioned that "the world's only superpower . . . should never make idle threats" — but that didn't stop him from rewriting the lyrics to a famous Beach Boys tune. In April 2007, when a voter at a town-hall session asked him about his policy toward Tehran, McCain responded by singing, "bomb bomb bomb" Iran. The loose talk was meant to incite the GOP base, but it also aggravated relations with Iran, whose foreign minister condemned McCain's "jokes about genocide" as a testament to his "disturbed state of mind" and "warmongering approach to foreign policy."
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
He's going to be Bush on steroids," says Johns, the retired brigadier general who has known McCain since their days at the National War College. "His hawkish views now are very dangerous. He puts military at the top of foreign policy rather than diplomacy, just like George Bush does. He and other neoconservatives are dedicated to converting the world to democracy and free markets, and they want to do it through the barrel of a gun."
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One accomplishment of Obama:
He helped draft legislation that reformed ethics rules in the US Senate.
He warned 2 years ago about the sub-prime lending, warning that a crisis was looming.
OK, so that's two, but who's counting?
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually, the Senate ethics committee found him culpable in the Keating scandal. McCain admitted his wrongdoing in that scandal.
Sorry, pat.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
John McCain: How many Houses did Billy Ayers Blow Up - NY's John Murtagh's Home?
It Takes a Bridge - That Someone Don't Blow up
Billy Da Bomber and His Odious Ma’ma,
are roachin’ from under the Fridge.
The Library Thing -that is taking such Wing
Is Blowing Up Barry’s nice Bridge!
Billy Ayers is loaded. He's an insulated Trust-fund radical tenured professor who is self-professed a domestic terrorist.
Barack Obama worked for Billy Ayers at Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Barack Obama is doing Okay, like McCain a U.S. Senator.
The McCain's have . . . Oh, let's see . . . seven (7) homes - not bad.
Barack has a swell igloo over in Hyde Park where Billy Ayers hangs his fanny pack and tummy wallet. Barack had Tony Rezko help with his real estate matters. Hell, I would too, but then again I'll never run for President. Thanks Be to God! I'd loot this country six ways to Sunday.
Billy Ayers and his gang bombed homes - the home of a judge. Billy's Pop got him and his odious Old Lady out of all manner of jambs*.
Now read the account of John Murtagh who was a child during that period.
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/08/j...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
John Murtaugh, whose home was firebombed by agents of William Ayers’ Weather Underground when he was nine years old, released the following statement for the McCain campaign today:
Today, John M. Murtagh made the following statement on Barack Obama’s relationship with William Ayers:
“When I was 9 years-old the Weather Underground, the terrorist group founded by Barack Obama’s friend William Ayers, firebombed my house. Barack Obama has dismissed concerns about his relationship with Ayers by noting that he was only a child when Ayers was planting bombs at the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. But Ayers has never apologized for his crimes, he has reveled in them, expressing regret only for the fact that he didn’t do more.
“While Barack Obama once downplayed his relationship with Ayers, today his campaign took that deceit one step further. Barack Obama now denies he was even aware of his friend’s violent past when, in 1995, Ayers hosted a party launching Obama’s political career. Given Ayers’ celebrity status among the left, it’s difficult to believe. The question remains: what did Obama know, and when did he know it? When did Obama learn the truth about his friend? Barack Obama helped Ayers promote his book in 1997, served on charitable boards with him through 2002, and regularly exchanged emails and phone calls with him through 2005. At what point did Barack Obama discover that his friend was an unrepentant terrorist? And if he is so repulsed by the acts of terror committed by William Ayers, why did the relationship continue? Any honest accounting by Barack Obama will necessarily cast further doubt on his judgment and his fitness to serve as commander in chief.
“Barack Obama may have been a child when William Ayers was plotting attacks against U.S. targets — but I was one of those targets. Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family.”
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In June of this year, McCain reversed his decades-long opposition to coastal drilling — shortly before cashing $28,500 from 13 donors linked to Hess Oil. And the senator, who only a decade ago tried to ban registered lobbyists from working on political campaigns, now deploys 170 lobbyists in key positions as fundraisers and advisers.
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow you guys sound like a broken record. Anybody care to addres the half dozen or so McCain postings I put up? Guess Not!
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"AIG spent US$440,000 on spa, resort after bailout, lawmakers say"
http://www.financialpost.com/news/story....
John McCain used to say "The press is my base." This is his base now. This is who's benefitted from the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption.
We bailed this bunch out and they turn around and spit in the face of the American taxpayers.
"American International Group Inc. spent US$440,000 on a conference at a California resort less than a week after an US$85-billion government takeover, lawmakers said.
The bill from the St. Regis resort in Monarch Beach included US$23,380 for spa services, according to Representative Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Mr. Waxman led questioning Tuesday of former AIG chief executives Martin Sullivan and Robert Willumstad as Congress probes events that led to federal intervention.
"Average Americans are suffering economically," Mr. Waxman, a California Democrat, said in his opening statement. "Yet less than one week after the taxpayers rescued AIG, company executives could be found wining and dining at one of the most exclusive resorts in the nation."
The St. Regis, located on a bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean midway between Los Angeles and San Diego, is "devoted to the pursuit of service and elegance," according to its Web site. A "health and wellness" package costs US$600 a night, with a two-night minimum..."
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
` intermission `
For your enjoyment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_R9_aBt...
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good night all. Have a great evening!
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In June of this year, McCain reversed his decades-long opposition to coastal drilling — shortly before cashing $28,500 from 13 donors linked to Hess Oil. And the senator, who only a decade ago tried to ban registered lobbyists from working on political campaigns, now deploys 170 lobbyists in key positions as fundraisers and advisers.
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Jeez, they got off cheap!!! Fannie and Freddie had to pay Obama $190,000 to prevent republicans from regulating them
Don't you think it's more likely that it was because Americans were demanding that we drill??? Jeez, I love conspiracy nuts!!!
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey, Neo---
"The fundamentals of our economy are strong."
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Hey Neo---
Obama: The long-term fundamentals of our economy are strong.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What is even more amazing is to hear people revere Jon McCain so much. You put him at a god like status. I don't think that any of us are saying Obam is the best thing since sliced bread. But he does have a better grip on how to deal with the economy. I like seeing you all with egg on your face praising McCain as a hero when he is really a shallow self promoter who only has his interests in mind. And as for Obama saying the fundametals of the economy are strong, all politician back track. How nieve are you to believe either of these men are anything but politicians, saying what ever it takes to get into offfice. At least most of what Obama say's sounds intelectual. All McCain can utter are a few tired political slogans. "Pork-barrell ear mark spending", "a strong hand at the till". The only problem is now Jonny 's daddy isn't here to save him this time!!
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And the only thing Obama can mutter is that McCain is Bush.
And when did Jonny's daddy save him from being tortured daily for 5 and a half years? MasterChef makes really dumb statements that McCain didn't take the NV offer to leave because his dad would have been upset with him... lol
Lets see, tortured daily for 5 and a half years or having my dad mad at me... sorry I let you down dad!
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"When McCain became a senator in 1986, filling the seat of retiring Republican icon Barry Goldwater, he was finally in a position that a true maverick could use to battle the entrenched interests in Washington. Instead, McCain did the bidding of his major donor, Charlie Keating, whose financial empire was on the brink of collapse...
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Hmmm... Lets see what the DEMOCRAT who investigated the Keating 5 had to say:
ROBERT BENNETT: You know, I’m in a pretty unique position to talk about John McCain. First, I should tell your listeners I’m a registered Democrat, so I’m not on his side of a lot of issues. But I investigated John McCain for a year and a half, at least, when I was special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee in the Keating Five, which, by the way, this “New York Times” article goes back to and discusses, goes back years and years.
And if there is one thing I am absolutely confident of, it is John McCain is an honest and honest man. I recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that he be cut out of the case, that there was no evidence against him...
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One accomplishment of Obama:
He helped draft legislation that reformed ethics rules in the US Senate.
He warned 2 years ago about the sub-prime lending, warning that a crisis was looming.
OK, so that's two, but who's counting?
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OSU, don't you mean 0-2???
Last year he cosponsored an ethics reform bill and was the Democratic point man for drumming up more cosponsors. Joining him in cosponsorship were his debate mates, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd and Joe Biden. That bill did not make it out of committee, but another, less stringent, ethics reform bill did pass the Senate.
That bill, authored by Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., passed, but Obama can’t take credit for that one. He didn’t even vote for it because he objected to the lack of enforcement provisions.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...
And where is this fictional letter that Obama wrote warning about Freddie and Fannie, why can't anyone find it?
Jeez OSU you'll never be a real cop sitting at the puter, can't you practice making some citizens arrests for people not waiting 10 seconds before going through a stop sign?
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 1:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"AIG spent US$440,000 on spa, resort after bailout, lawmakers say"
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Lets see how much bribe money AIG is being thrown around:
Democrats: $485,967
Republicans: $230,525
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary....
Guess they figure with democrats in control and all the money they are throwing at them, it will be OK.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 1:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
At least three of McCain's GOP colleagues have gone on record to say that they consider him temperamentally unsuited to be commander in chief. Smith, the former senator from New Hampshire, has said that McCain's "temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him." Sen. Domenici of New Mexico has said he doesn't "want this guy anywhere near a trigger." And Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi weighed in that "the thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded."
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I have one better... Obama's own V.P. stated that Obama was unfit to be Commander in Chief and that McCain would make a better president than Obama.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 7:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McCain refers to Americans as 'my fellow prisoners'
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_flu...
Undoubtedly, an ironic Freudian slip on McCain's behalf. We are all prisoners of the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation, corruption and their fallout such as failing banks, plummeting stock markets and 401Ks, diminished buying power and increasing unemployment.
"The last two years John McCain has spent on the presidential campaign trail seem to finally have transported the Republican candidate back to the Hanoi Hilton he called home for five and a half years. At a campaign stop in Pennsylvania Wednesday, McCain referred to his supporters as "fellow prisoners" in a botched attack on his Democratic opponent Barack Obama.
"You and I together will confront the $10 trillion debt the federal government has run up and balance the federal budget by the end of my term in office," he said. "Across this country, this is the agenda I have set before my fellow prisoners and the same standards of clarity and candor must now be applied to my opponent."
Judging by McCain's pause, he expected that to be an applause line. Silence greeted him from the perplexed crowd. ..."
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 7:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The McCain camp will say and do anything to run and hide from the real issue in this election...the economy. As indicated by the last post, McCain's even starting to crack under the pressure.
Americans are increasingly supporting Barack Obama who's up in all the polls and pulling further ahead every day. Americans are fed up with the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption. Americans are fed up with the failed "leadership" that put us in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
That is why the majority of Americans are behind Barack Obama and his plan to turn the page on the failed economic policies of George Bush and John McCain. Enough is enough. It's time for change.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ahhhhh here we go again Neo ...
posting diatribe from unreputable new sources. Rawstory is another arm of the liberal establishment and proganda machine from the left. And you want to pass off that news source as reliable and reputable. Just like you like to use the Huffington Post as a reliable new source when you accused Sarah Palin of Necrophilia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raw_Sto...
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that saying McCain is Bush is a pretty accurate and valid argument, because you know no one want's another Bush!
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually McCain wasn't tortured for 5 and a half years. Two years after his capture the Viet Cong switched there position on POW's and used them as bargaining chips rather than torture them for info.
McCain has also allowed the media to believe that his torture lasted for the entire time he was in Hanoi. At the Republican convention, Fred Thompson said of McCain's torture, "For five and a half years this went on." In fact, McCain's torture ended after two years, when the death of Ho Chi Minh in September 1969 caused the Vietnamese to change the way they treated POWs. "They decided it would be better to treat us better and keep us alive so they could trade us in for real estate," Butler recalls.
But the subsequent tale of McCain's mistreatment — and the transformation it is alleged to have produced — are both deeply flawed. The Code of Conduct that governed POWs was incredibly rigid; few soldiers lived up to its dictate that they "give no information . . . which might be harmful to my comrades." Under the code, POWs are bound to give only their name, rank, date of birth and service number — and to make no "statements disloyal to my country."
This Code went straight out the window as soon as he hit the ground he began squealing about who his father was.
Even those in the military who celebrate McCain's patriotism and sacrifice question why his POW experience has been elevated as his top qualification to be commander in chief. "It took guts to go through that and to come out reasonably intact and able to pick up the pieces of your life and move on," says Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, who has known McCain since the 1980s. "It is unquestionably a demonstration of the character of the man. But I don't think that it is a special qualification for being president of the United States. In some respects, I'm not sure that's the kind of character I want sitting in the Oval Office. I'm not sure that much time in a prisoner-of-war status doesn't do something to you. Doesn't do something to you psychologically, doesn't do something to you that might make you a little more volatile, a little less apt to listen to reason, a little more inclined to be volcanic in your temperament."
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As the Navy's top lobbyist, McCain was supposed to carry out the bidding of the secretary of the Navy. But in 1978 he went off the reservation. Vietnam was over, and the Carter administration, cutting costs, had decided against spending $2 billion to replace the aging carrier Midway. The secretary agreed with the administration's decision. Readiness would not be affected. The only reason to replace the carrier — at a cost of nearly $7 billion in today's dollars — was pork-barrel politics.
Although he now crusades against wasteful military spending, McCain had no qualms about secretly lobbying for a pork project that would pay for a dozen Bridges to Nowhere. "He did a lot of stuff behind the back of the secretary of the Navy," one lobbyist told Timberg. Working his Senate connections, McCain managed to include a replacement for the Midway in the defense authorization bill in 1978. Carter, standing firm, vetoed the entire spending bill to kill the carrier. When an attempt to override the veto fell through, however, McCain and his lobbyist friends didn't give up the fight. The following year, Congress once again approved funding for the carrier. This time, Carter — his pork-busting efforts undone by a turncoat Navy liaison — signed the bill.
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I like hearing you guy's try do deend McCain. Have you heard Sara Palin speak? She dodged every question thrown at her, much like McCain has. He is also the biggest flip flopper there is....
In the end, the essential facts of John McCain's life and career — the pivotal experiences in which he demonstrated his true character — are important because of what they tell us about how he would govern as president. Far from the portrayal he presents of himself as an unflinching maverick with a consistent and reliable record, McCain has demonstrated an unwavering commitment to taking whatever position will advance his own career. He "is the classic opportunist," according to Ross Perot, who worked closely with McCain on POW issues. "He's always reaching for attention and glory."
McCain has worked hard to deny such charges. "They're drinking the Kool-Aid that somehow I have changed positions on the issues," he said of his critics at the end of August. The following month, when challenged on The View, McCain again defied those who accuse him of flip-flopping. "What specific area have I quote 'changed'?" he demanded. "Nobody can name it."
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In fact, his own statements show that he has been on both sides of a host of vital issues: the Bush tax cuts, the estate tax, waterboarding, hunting down terrorists in Pakistan, kicking Russia out of the G-8, a surge of troops into Afghanistan, the GI Bill, storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, teaching intelligent design, fully funding No Child Left Behind, offshore drilling, his own immigration policy and withdrawal timelines for Iraq.
In March, McCain insisted to The Wall Street Journal that he is "always for less regulation." In September, with the government forced to bail out the nation's largest insurance companies and brokerage houses, McCain declared that he would regulate the financial industry and end the "casino culture on Wall Street." He did a similar about-face on Bush's tax cuts, opposing them when he planned to run against Bush in 2001, then declaring that he wants to make them larger — and permanent — when he needed to win the support of anti-tax conservatives this year. "It's a big flip-flop," conceded tax abolitionist Grover Norquist. "But I'm happy he's flopped."
Posted by gametime (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I meant defend not deend, sorry.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL Gametime... What proof do you have that McCain squealed his dad's name as soon as he got caught? And using your "logic" (and I use that term loosely) McCain would have used his "pull" to be released. He stayed knowing he would be tortured... And two years or five and a half... and "his conditions improved"... yeah if beatings went from daily to once a week, I would call that improved myself.
I do find it laughable how some desperate liberals will pitifully attempt to smear a POW. How did Obambi serve his country again? What hardship did he endure? LMAO!!!
Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nobody is attempting to smear a POW. But to LIE about his support for those OTHER 587 surviving POW's and veterans in general (I offer this link rather than a lot of cut-and-paste: http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsw... )is the absolute lowest any candidate or veteran can go.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There is no way you can spin this video ... Louis Farrakhan Calls OBAMA the messiah ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTj...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CNN Finds Extensive Ties Between Barack Obama and ‘Terrorist’ Bill Ayers
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=190343
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ohio Woman Explains How ACORN Workers Pushed Her to Vote Multiple Times
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=192503
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