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McCain, Obama trade barbs in town hall debate
Published Wednesday, October 8, 2008
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — John McCain dismissively called rival Barack Obama ‘‘that one,’’ Obama mocked McCain’s ‘‘Straight Talk Express,’’ and both left the debate stage to return to the campaign trail Wednesday.
Playing off the second of three debates, the Obama campaign released a TV ad that continued the criticism that McCain’s health care plan included taxing employer-based health care benefits. ‘‘Instead of fixing health care, he wants to tax it,’’ the ad says.
McCain’s campaign, in turn, put out a TV spot contending that Obama promises nearly $1 trillion in new spending in the wake of the $700 billion financial rescue plan Congress approved. ‘‘Sound crazy? the ad asks. ‘‘It is.’’
It took just eight minutes into Tuesday’s presidential debate for Republican candidate McCain to land the first blow, blaming Obama and Democrats for the collapse of mortgage giants Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
‘‘They’re the ones that, with the encouragement of Sen. Obama and his cronies and his friends in Washington, that went out and made all these risky loans, gave them to people that could never afford to pay back,’’ McCain said.
Obama responded: ‘‘I’ve got to correct a little bit of Sen. McCain’s history, not surprisingly. ... In fact, Sen. McCain’s campaign chairman’s firm was a lobbyist on behalf of Fannie Mae, not me.’’
McCain campaign manager Rick Davis has a stake in a Washington lobbying firm that received thousands of dollars a month from Freddie Mac until recently.
Davis is one of the many figures in both campaigns and near them who have been targeted as reasons why each should not be supported. As they head back on the road Wednesday, both campaigns say those associations would again be highlighted.
McCain running mate Sarah Palin has questioned Obama’s ties to William Ayers, who 40 years ago was a member of the Weather Underground, a radical group that claimed responsibility for a series of bombings. Obama had a limited relationship with Ayers, who lives in the same neighborhood and teaches at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Democrats have criticized McCain for his role in a 1980s banking scandal.

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Posted by cawren (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Palin Attacks
In 1994 Todd Palin became a member of the ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY. A group that would like to breakaway, secede from the United States Of America. Joe Vogler the founder of the organization stated that, "THE FIRES OF HELL ARE FROZEN GLACIERS COMPARED TO MY HATRED FOR THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT." Sarah Palin attended one of their conventions and addressed one of their conventions VIA Video.
Seceding, wasn’t that what started the CIVIL WAR?
Ms. Palins pastors have as well have said and done some questionable things. EXPELLING WITCHES??
Palin, McCain and Obama have all made mistakes giveing them a resident skeleton in the closet.
BUT PLEASE CAN WE FOCUS ON THE ISSUES
PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR HOMES AND THEIR WAY OF LIFE!!
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CBS Poll: Uncommitted Voters Say Obama Won Debate
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/...
“UPDATED CBS News and Knowledge Networks have, once again, conducted a nationally representative poll of uncommitted voters to get their immediate reaction to tonight’s presidential debate.
And this new poll has good news for the Democratic ticket: Just as in the first presidential debate and the vice presidential face off, more uncommitted voters say the Democratic candidate won the debate. …”
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McCain Refuses to Shake Obama’s Hand After Last Night’s Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0iIOqPG...
The the commentary from Wolf Blitzer on this is interesting too.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
All "vast left-wing conspiracy theories" aside, I think the American people are ready for a President who has the ability to turn things around. Despite the various issues that have been floated, this election is about the economy now. It will, I believe, be viewed 20 years from now as a national referendum on trickle down economics.
That's what the polls indicate. Some people always outperform and God bless them. Most Americans, though, would have the same answer to the question "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" No.
How's your 401K plan doing America? Have you been debating whether to just pull out now and take the losses or try to ride it out? Are you worried about the money you've put away for your retirement?
A person could try to make a case against all this but objective Americans know the truth. Our economy is hurting and our people are hurting. Given the magnitude of our financial crisis those Independent and undecided voters aren't going to be swayed by the "swift-boat" type of attacks that are inevitably heading Obama's way. He knows it's coming and he's ready.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What is AP story fails to mention about Fannie Mae is Franklin Raines.
Raines was the CEO of Fannie Mae from 1999 to December of 2004 when Raines took early retirement while the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigators continued to investigate alleged accounting irregularities during Raines leadership of Fannie Mae. Franklin Raines left Fannie Mae with $90 Million Dollars of yours and my money. Franklin Raines overstated the earnings of Fannie Mae in order to receive higher bonuses.
You might ask then what does this have to do with Barack Obama?
It seems and you can read about it in this Washington Post article, that Obama was seeking advice from Franklin Raines on "mortgage and housing policy matters".
Again this action on Obama's part brings into question his judgement when he consults with a man that conned the taxpayers out of $90 Billion Dollars by cooking the books.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo,
Is McCain's supposed refusal to shake Obama's hand have anthing to do with issues at hand? Definately Not.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cawren what does Todd Palin becoming a member of the ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY have to do with the price of tea in China?
Absolutely nothing.
What does William Ayers have to do with Senator Barack Obama? A great deal as a matter of fact.
Looking into the associations of Barack Obama are important to the issues of this country's economy. The associations speak to Obama's motives and direction he will attempt to take this country in. Turning a blind eye to corruption and radicalism doesn't make it go away.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I posted the video clip of McCain refusing to shake Obama's hand after the debate last night as a general interest point. It suggests that McCain is angry and disrespectful, but that isn't the reason why America is voting for Barack Obama. That isn't why the polls indicate that Obama won last night and that he is ahead of Obama significantly in the race for the Presidency. America is supporting Barack Obama because they see the economic disaster caused by the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption and they're ready to turn the page.
No matter how many times the McCain camp tries to distract the American people from the real issue, the economic crisis caused by the failed policies of George Bush and John McCain, they will fail. The only thing the McCain camp accomplishes with these attacks and distractions is to demonstrate that he will say anything to get elected. He is not putting America First, he's putting John McCain first.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo, you make general statements like "America Is Supporting Barack Obama" but that isn't true. I am America and I am not supporting Barack Obama. There are plenty of posters here that don't support Barack Obama. They are American's too. Don't count your chicks before they hatch.
This is not going to be a referendum on Senator Obama or McCain ... this election will go down to the wire.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So, how is there any difference between Keating and Raines... except Raines only had to pay a fine and didn't end up in jail?
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I say America is supporting Barack Obama because he is ahead in all of the polls and, if the election were held today, he would win. The winner of this election is THE President of the United States. The President is elected by "The People of America." Nobody gets 100% of the vote, but that isn't required.
I'm not making a general statement. I'm making a very specific one. Barack Obama is far ahead of McCain and I don't believe McCain has a chance of catching him. The real question here is whether people who support the other candidate are going to be Americans First and get behind the winner after the election.
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Both Presidential campaigns spent $28 million in TV ads last week. 100% of McCain's were negative.
When you don't have a message or ideas, then you go negative and we're seeing that now.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/200...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo, the election has not been held yet ... Polls are not the voice of the people ... Also Barack Obama is not "far ahead of McCain". The latest Zogby Polls shows a 2 point race. That is a statistical dead heat.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
John McCain alluded to something in the debates last night. He has now released the details of his plan to assist the middle class and those that are suffering from foreclosure on mortages.
Homeownership Resurgence Plan
John McCain will direct his Treasury Secretary to implement an American Homeownership Resurgence Plan (McCain Resurgence Plan) to keep families in their homes, avoid foreclosures, save failing neighborhoods, stabilize the housing market and attack the roots of our financial crisis.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issu...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Something I might mention ... as far as Campaign advertising is concerned ... Obama is out SPENDING the McCain campaign 3 to 1. As an Obama supporter and campaign donors are you getting your money's worth? With all the money Obama is spending wouldn't you think that Obama would be leading by a wider margin than 2 points in the polls?
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To those who think Obama is a socialist:
May I remind you that JOHN MCCAIN is using tax-payer money to run his campaign. JOHN MCCAIN is more socialist than is Barack Obama.
This election will not be close in the Electoral College. Obama is ahead, and leaving McCain behind, in all 5 swing states.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
John McCain's chief economic adviser is Phil Gramm who had a big role in the financial crisis we're in right now and publicly called America a "nation of whiners" as he argued that we were in a psychological recession.
Barack Obama is the candidate who will turn the page on the failed economic policies of George Bush and John McCain. Barack Obama is the candidate who recognizes the fact that the policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption are what got us into the economic crisis we're in and Barack Obama will lead America back to strength and prosperity.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gallup Daily: Obama’s Lead Over McCain Expands to 11
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111040/Gallup...
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama scored a victory in the second debate.
NBC's focus group of undecided Pennsylvania voters had the Illinois Democrat winning by roughly a 60-40 split. Frank Luntz's focus group, over at Fox, showed undecided voters leaning towards Obama because of his position on health care. CBS's focus group of independents had the Democratic nominee winning the debate at 39 percent to McCain's 27 percent, with 35 percent of the respondents saying it was a tie. Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a Democratic polling firm, had a focus group of undecideds leaning to Obama by a margin of 42 percent to 24 percent.
Meanwhile, SurveyUSA interviewed 741 debate watchers in the state of Washington, 54 percent of whom thought Obama was the "clear winner" compared with McCain's 29 percent. That same polling firm had the first debate as a tie. In tonight's survey: 42 percent of respondents said McCain was too forceful.
And the CNN focus group of undecided voters in Ohio had the margin at an even wider spread: Obama 54 percent to McCain's 30.
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I've donated money to the campaign, and yes--looking over the state-by-state polls, I'm VERY pleased with the 153 delegate lead in the electoral college.
Of course, some might say, nothing is set in the electoral college yet. But these are accurate polling data on the following website:
www.fivethirtyeight.com
All of that blue looks good.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To those who think Obama is a socialist:
May I remind you that JOHN MCCAIN is using tax-payer money to run his campaign. JOHN MCCAIN is more socialist than is Barack Obama.
This election will not be close in the Electoral College. Obama is ahead, and leaving McCain behind, in all 5 swing states.
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First of all osu ... Barack Obama BROKE his promise to take public financing. Oh gees Obama used the excuse that public financing would not be fair. Did he somehow come to that conclusion after He made the promise? Or is Barack Obama really that clueless? Yes McCain could have done the same thing but McCain kept HIS promise and did the honorable thing. Barack Obama did not. Cut, slice and dice it any way you want. Those are the facts.
Secondly you like Neo are being very presumptuous. The election has not been held. You sound like someone that purchases a lottery ticket and proclaims by process that he has won the jack pot when the drawing hasn't even happened yet. Like that lottery ticket those polls and electoral maps are not worth the electrons wasted when you look at them. So you see I am not suckered in by your feeble attempts at psyching out McCain supporters.
Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 4:27 p.m.
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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cashmere ... very well said!! Indeed!
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So much for those of you who said Neo had been "banned."
It's not "presumptuous" to look at the statistical analysis of the upcoming election, which is where I get my electoral projections. (www.fivethirtyeight.com)
Maybe the only question in SC is by what per centage McCain--Fail--in will win.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think there are a whole lot of surprises ahead. The McCain camp will continue to attack. They will use anything they can get their hands on. 527 groups will handle their really dirty work. There will be the same kind of underground smear tactics that Bush used against McCain in SC 8 years ago. America knows all of that is coming.
The stock market will continue it's roller coaster ride. Economic indicators will be bad. Bush will keep coming on TV more than McCain would like. People will sweat bullets over their 401K plans. McCain will continue to support the failed economic strategies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption. America knows all of that is coming.
Barack Obama will continue to go up in the polls. He will win the third debate. He will win the election by a comfortable margin, including winning several traditionally "red" states. America knows all of that is coming. Well, almost all of America.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Padanorr... (and OSU and Neo who don't think Obama is a socialist)
Wednesday, October 8, 2008
Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996
UPDATE: WE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE SOURCE COMING TOMORROW! Subscribe to feeds or bookmark page.
In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards. The admittedly Socialist Organization experienced a moderate rise in numbers between 1995 and 1999. By 1999, however, the Socialist 'New Party' was essentially defunct after losing a supreme court challenge that ruled the organizations "fusion" reform platform as unconstitutional.
After allegations surfaced in early summer over the 'New Party's' endorsement of Obama, the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member of either organization. The DSA and 'New Party' then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA's New Party.
On Tuesday, I discovered a web page that had been scrubbed from the New Party's website. The web page which was published in October 1996, was an internet newsletter update on that years congressional races. Although the web page was deleted from the New Party's website, the non-profit Internet Archive Organization had archived the page.
From the October 1996 Update of the DSA 'New Party':
"New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races...
Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/200...
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
osu - You know, I could respond to attempts to take focus off the real issue, the economy, by posting the same kind of thing about McCain.
McCain Linked to Right-Wing, Nazi-Backed Death Squads
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/0...
“(AP) Barack Obama has his William Ayers connection. Now John McCain may have an Iran-Contra connection. In the 1980s, McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.
The U.S. Council for World Freedom aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization’s tax exemption.
The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America…”
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here is a link to the document that proves Obama was a New Party member:
http://web.archive.org/web/2001030603121...
And here is an editorial from a liberal website:
... New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George's County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago...
http://www.populist.com/11.96.Edit.html
The Democratic Socialist Party of America published in their July/August Edition of New Ground 47 Newsletter.
"The Chicago New Party is increasely becoming a viable political organization that can make a different in Chicago politics. It is crucial for a political organization to have a solid infrastructure and visible results in its political program. The New Party has continued to solidify this base...
the NP's '96 Political Program has been enormously successful with 3 of 4 endorsed candidates winning electoral primaries. All four candidates attended the NP membership meeting on April 11th to express their gratitude. Danny Davis, winner in the 7th Congressional District, invited NPers to join his Campaign Steering Committee. Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in 7th Subcircuit Court, explained that due to the NP she was able to network and get experienced advice from progressives like Davis. Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration."
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
But really, osu, I think that most of us are aware that distraction is just a political tactic. The McCain camp knows that if they talk about the economy they will lose. What the McCain camp doesn't know yet is that, if they don't talk about the economy they will also lose.
Banks have been bailed out on the brink of failure. The stock market has fallen almost 30% in only 5 months. Unemployment has been on the rise all year. Spending power is down. Americans are fed up. That is why America is increasingly with Barack Obama and his plan to turn the page on the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo, go ahead and try it. McCain joined the American Chapter of an international group. The South American chapter was the one who had the right wing death squads, not the American Chapter. It would be the same as blaming America for the rape of children in Africa by U.N. peacekeeprs on the United States. The last I knew, we are still in the U.N. Aren't we guilty by association too?
Once again... the difference being... McCain left after he heard what was going on. Obama knew he was joining a socialist organization...
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bush Now Least Popular President Since Polling Began
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia...
And America is not going to vote for 4 more years of the same, failed economic polices. It's the economy that's put Bush over the top of the list of most unpopular Presidents. John McCain would just give us four more years of trickle down economics, deregulation, corruption, plunging stock markets, failing banks, skyrocketing debt and increasing unemployment.
That is why Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo, Americans don't know that it was the failed democratic experiment to get poor people into homes that they couldn't afford that caused this mess.
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know, osu, some of the commenters might like me to join them on the road to distraction. They might really be happy to talk about ANYTHING BUT the economy. However, this picture speaks more than a thousand of their words.
http://flickr.com/photos/26810211@N06/29...
It's time for change. It's time for real leadership. It's time for Barack Obama to be the next President of the United States.
Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cawren what does Todd Palin becoming a member of the ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY have to do with the price of tea in China?
Absolutely nothing.
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david, it DOES matter when your SPOUSE is a member of a group wanting to withdraw from the United States and the vice presidential candidate addresses the group via video
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"AIG spent US$440,000 on spa, resort after bailout, lawmakers say"
http://www.financialpost.com/news/story....
John McCain used to say "The press is my base." This is his base now. This is who's benefitted from the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption.
We bailed this bunch out and they turn around and spit in the face of the American taxpayers.
"American International Group Inc. spent US$440,000 on a conference at a California resort less than a week after an US$85-billion government takeover, lawmakers said.
The bill from the St. Regis resort in Monarch Beach included US$23,380 for spa services, according to Representative Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Mr. Waxman led questioning Tuesday of former AIG chief executives Martin Sullivan and Robert Willumstad as Congress probes events that led to federal intervention.
"Average Americans are suffering economically," Mr. Waxman, a California Democrat, said in his opening statement. "Yet less than one week after the taxpayers rescued AIG, company executives could be found wining and dining at one of the most exclusive resorts in the nation."
The St. Regis, located on a bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean midway between Los Angeles and San Diego, is "devoted to the pursuit of service and elegance," according to its Web site. A "health and wellness" package costs US$600 a night, with a two-night minimum..."
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
` intermission `
For your enjoyment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_R9_aBt...
Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
you know what is sadder than having your comment deleted by the Tribune? not remembering what I wrote!!
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cawren what does Todd Palin becoming a member of the ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY have to do with the price of tea in China?
Absolutely nothing.
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david, it DOES matter when your SPOUSE is a member of a group wanting to withdraw from the United States and the vice presidential candidate addresses the group via video
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Mr. MasterChef ... Todd Palin is not running for office
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What, no comment on the video? OK, here's one I know you all can relate to in one way or another.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y42RErUjf...
Enjoy,
Neo
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So much for those of you who said Neo had been "banned."
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Actually osu ... He was and now he here posting again by the good graces of the folks at the Tribune.
But of course I know you would argue that a blue sky is green ... just so you could be right ...
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Details of Barack Obama's Blueprint for Change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSK3ZKCNp...
Enjoy,
Neo
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 8, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Barack Obama "Uh" Count
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4...
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Are you better off now than you were 4 weeks ago?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw2za6pMd...
Uh?
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 9:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good night all. Have a great evening!
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
See the type of people Obama supports:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DQAOZlNr...
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo, since Obama was a member of the New Party which was established by the Democratic Socialists of America, that proves he has socialist ties.
Do you agree or disagree with that statement. If not, what is your reasoning?
Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Neo.... Would like to hear your answer to Noesis on the Socialists of America question... Do you agree or disagree? What is your Premise????
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 7:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McCain refers to Americans as 'my fellow prisoners'
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_flu...
Undoubtedly, an ironic Freudian slip on McCain's behalf. We are all prisoners of the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation, corruption and their fallout such as failing banks, plummeting stock markets and 401Ks, diminished buying power and increasing unemployment.
"The last two years John McCain has spent on the presidential campaign trail seem to finally have transported the Republican candidate back to the Hanoi Hilton he called home for five and a half years. At a campaign stop in Pennsylvania Wednesday, McCain referred to his supporters as "fellow prisoners" in a botched attack on his Democratic opponent Barack Obama.
"You and I together will confront the $10 trillion debt the federal government has run up and balance the federal budget by the end of my term in office," he said. "Across this country, this is the agenda I have set before my fellow prisoners and the same standards of clarity and candor must now be applied to my opponent."
Judging by McCain's pause, he expected that to be an applause line. Silence greeted him from the perplexed crowd. ..."
Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
And this is my premise.
The McCain camp will say and do anything to run and hide from the real issue in this election...the economy. As indicated by the last post, McCain's even starting to crack under the pressure.
Americans are increasingly supporting Barack Obama who's up in all the polls and pulling further ahead every day. Americans are fed up with the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption. Americans are fed up with the failed "leadership" that put us in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
That is why the majority of Americans are behind Barack Obama and his plan to turn the page on the failed economic policies of George Bush and John McCain. Enough is enough. It's time for change.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ahhhhh here we go again Neo ...
posting diatribe from unreputable new sources. Rawstory is another arm of the liberal establishment and proganda machine from the left. And you want to pass off that news source as reliable and reputable. Just like you like to use the Huffington Post as a reliable new source when you accused Sarah Palin of Necrophilia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raw_Sto...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
oh and Neo ... are you going to answer Noesis and Slick77's question to you? What about those Socialist ties Obama has to the Socialist New Party?
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Neo, you better hope that there's not another major terrorist attack on the scale of Britain's subway, Spain's trains or 911. Obama would sink in the polls so fast it wouldn't be funny.
An a side note Neo, are you feeling OK? There's 145 comments on the IPD officer being charged and there's not a single comment from Neo.
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Want to know how democrats really are?:
Here before us is a Soviet archival document, a top secret report by a communist apparatchik who had received a delegation of US Senators led by Joseph Biden in 1979. After describing routine arms control discussions, it quotes Biden as telling the Soviets off-record that he did not really care about the persecution of Russian dissidents. He and other Senators might raise human rights issues with their Soviet counterparts, but only to be seen by the public as defenders of human rights, not to have those problems really solved. They would happily take no for an answer.
Here is the part from the Russian document/report on the meeting:
4. It should also be noted that, this time, the delegation did not officially raise the issue of human rights during the negotiations. Biden said the did not want 'to spoil the atmosphere with problems which are bound to cause distrust in our relations.' However, during the breaks between the sessions the senators passed to us several letters concerning these or those 'refuseniks'.
Unofficially, Biden and Lugar said that, in the end of the day, they were not so much concerned with having a problem of this or that citizen solved as with showing to the American public that they do care for 'human rights'. They must prove to their voters that they are 'effective in fulfilling their wishes'. In other words, the collocutors directly admitted that what is happening is a kind of a show, that they absolutely do not care for the fate of most so-called dissidents.
In the same conversation, Biden asked us to ensure that senators' appeals on those issues are not left unanswered - even if we just reply that the letter is received but we cannot do anything. According to Biden, letters of this kind - if they are not addressed to the highest representatives of the Soviet state - sometimes remain unanswered.
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There is no way you can spin this video ... Louis Farrakhan Calls OBAMA the messiah ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTj...
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dang it Pad you beat me to posting it!!!
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CNN Finds Extensive Ties Between Barack Obama and ‘Terrorist’ Bill Ayers
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=190343
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 9, 2008 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ohio Woman Explains How ACORN Workers Pushed Her to Vote Multiple Times
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=192503
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Barack Obama entered electoral politics as a member of a radical marxist group aimed at gaining control of the Democratic Party in order to implement a hardline version of socialism in America. He signed a contract promising to maintain a visible relationship. The candidate should be pressed by McCain/Palin to reveal that contract and proclaim his adherence to New Party goals before the American people approve him for our highest office.
About 50 activists attended the Chicago New Party membership meeting in July. The purpose of the meeting was to update members on local activities and to hear appeals for NP support from four potential political candidates. The NP is being very active in organization building and politics...
The NP's political strategy is to support progressive candidates in elections only if they have a concrete chance to "win". This has resulted in a winning ratio of 77 of 110 elections.
Candidates must be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.
The political entourage included Alderman Michael Chandler, William Delgado, chief of staff for State Rep Miguel del Valle, and spokespersons for State Sen. Alice Palmer, Sonya Sanchez, chief of staff for State Sen. Jesse Garcia, who is running for State Rep in Garcia's District; and Barack Obama, chief of staff for State Sen. Alice Palmer. Obama is running for Palmer's vacant seat.
http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng42...
Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Here's a good one from the U.K. that shows Obama and his ties to Communist/Muslims in Kenya:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxN...
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My fellow Americans,
First, a word about last night's debate. Thanks to Tom Brokaw, the news networks which covered my victory, and especially to those whose meatball questions allowed me to give answers just vague enough to be incontestable. But here's the main takeaway from the debate: I look so fine in a suit.
Now, when I'm out visiting the proletariat, I often get this question: "O Great One, you speak of change and hope, and I'm completely in love with you in a non-erotic sense. But what specifically will you do?"
Today I will lay out my plans for change at the highest level of government. For the last eight years we have worked with the same three branches of government we've always had: Legislative, Judicial, and Executive. Well, America, change is coming. All three branches will be renamed and reorganized as follows:
Legislative
The Legislative branch will now be known as The Change Branch, or simply Change. The Senate and House will be renamed Upper House of Change and Obama's Magical Change Fairies, respectively.
But how will things truly be different? Here's how. I will be extremely busy practicing diplomacy by listening empathetically to the concerns of insane dictators and tyrants. So I will therefore delegate management of domestic issues to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. In fact, my first official act will be to teach them both my signature, so they can sign any bill they like in my absence.
Judicial
The Judicial branch will be known as The Hope Branch, or simply Hope. Why? Because our greatest hope is that America will become a great secular socialist utopia. To get there, we need unelected, unaccountable, life-tenured Justices (Supreme Agents of Hope, if you please) to create law by fiat.
Executive
Finally, we come to the Executive branch. I considered several new names here: The Hopechangetive Branch, The Politburo, The Marlboro... But what, really, is the Executive branch all about? It's simple: ME. The Executive Branch will therefore be known as OBAMA. All caps, please. Soon I will lay out in further detail my plans for OBAMA. But right now I could really use a smoke.
Until then, I remain your Obamannointed Obamessiah,
Barry
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My fellow Americans,
A few items today.
First, in my previous post, I announced my intention to rename the U.S. House of Representatives to Obama's Magical Change Fairies. I would like to clarify that I was in no way referring to Barney Frank.
Second, you may have seen this article
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/...
claiming that a funky smell permeates the press section of my official jet. Let me tell you, America, that smell is CHANGE, and as I've said before, this nation is about to get downright reesty with Changestank. I therefore now unveil my campaign's latest logo and slogan:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LVyleqOaqUg/SO...
Last, and most important, I need you, my smitten readers, to leave comments. Tell me in fawning hyperbole how much you love me. Tell me how badly you want me, your benevolent man-god currently taking human form, to make your decisions. Tell me how desperately you need my Massive Obamalicious Government to save you from your mediocre selves. It might help if you prostrate yourself or at least genuflect while you type. Talk to me, America!
I await your plaudits. Until then, I remain your Mountain of Molten Hope,
Barry
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My fellow Americans,
Yesterday I unveiled my plans for reorganizing the federal government. Today, more detail about OBAMA (currently known as the Executive Branch). Specifically, here are a few people I will appoint as high-ranking lickspittles:
Secretary of Defense: Oprah Winfrey
For the last eight years our military has been too focused on winning wars. America, we are better than this. Secretary Winfrey will teach our troops to be good listeners, to show empathy, to embrace their own emotions, and to be patient with their personal shortcomings. And maybe how to lose weight.
Director of Faith Based Initiatives: Bill Maher
I've been a faithful Christian churchgoer ever since I first thought of running for president. As President, I will continue to staff the office of Faith Based Initiatives so that normal people like myself can work hand in hand with Jesus Freaks and creepy religionists across the country. No one is more qualified to lead this effort than Bill Maher.
Secretary of Education: Bill Ayers
Look, I barely know this guy. But I owe him a favor. It's a Chicago thing - don't worry about it.
Until next time, I remain your unimaginably cool and smooth Changinator-in-Chief,
Barry
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Friends,
Concerning "That One's" Airplane
If you read that same article
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/...
you'll see that the same reporter who commented on how stinky Obama's plane was also said how delightful it was to be on my airplane. Obama and his cronies won't tell you that, I JUST DID. Friends, that smell is more than just bean, pies and reefer, it's the smell of inexperience. The smell of a politician who's too young to potty train soiling himself with the promise of raising taxes on 95% of all hard working Americans. Here's something else you should smell: the roses, after you wake up to Obama's fantasy world vision for our country.
Senator John McCain
Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama Gaffe?
The ACORN doesn't fall far from the tree ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewI1QD0QU...
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