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Senator Barack Obama looks over the crowd gathered on the grounds of Shawnee State University in Portsmouth Thursday evening before the start of his campaign speech.

Obama visits SSU

Democrat greeted by thousands in Portsmouth

By Benita Heath | The Tribune

Published Friday, October 10, 2008

Photo by Jessica St. James

Supports for Barack Obama raise campaign signs in the air as they wait for Thursday evenings event to begin on the campus of Shawnee State University.

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PORTSMOUTH — He’s 9 years old now. So it will be another nine years before Clay Willis gets to vote for anyone.

But that didn’t stop his being front and center with his dad Thursday night as Barack Obama rocked Portsmouth.

“Believe it or not, I’m here because of my son,” John Willis of Ironton, said before the Obama campaign rally began. “It thrills me to see him at 9 show this kind of interest in our country.”

It was a first for the father and son to be at a presidential rally.

“There is an incredible need for change,” John Willis said. “The middle class has carried things for too long. We are at one of the most critical times in the nation in my lifetime.”

As raucous music pounded out of loud speakers, Obama fans — estimates ranged from 5,000 to 7,000 — were practically stacked on top of each other, dancing anywhere there was breathing room.

Alumni Green at Shawnee State University took on the electricity of a rock concert. The tip off that it wasn’t came from above — clusters of police sharpshooters stationed on the roofs of the campus buildings surrounding the green.

The crowd waited for about three hours and the crescendo of screams when Obama took the stage before 9 showed they thought he was worth the wait.

The speech varied little from what has been heard time and again, but the fans drank in every word.

“We’re at a moment of great uncertainty,” Obama said. “The financial crisis threatens our economic security. It is critical the Treasury implements this rescue plan. This is not just an issue for the big banks of New York. Now is the time for resolve and leadership. We can steer ourselves out of this crisis.”

The candidate had come from a day-long bus tour throughout Southern Ohio starting at Chillicothe going on to Columbus before coming into Shawnee State. With a hoarse voice he ticked off the broad points of his platform from offering the same kind of health care that Congress now has to promising no new taxes for the middle class.

As the crowds responded Obama seemed to become revitalized.

“We don’t need that erratic leadership (of John McCain),” he said. “We need a president we can trust. The next president will have to manage this recovery. Will that president be looking out for you?”

In less than a month the country will elect either the first African-American or the oldest president in history after a campaign noted for sharp attacks from both sides.

“I can take four more weeks of John McCain’s attacks,” Obama said. “America can’t take four more years of George Bush look-a-like policy.”

Promising to implement policies that put Main Street before Wall Street, Obama said the country needed a rescue plan for the middle class.

“We’re making sure we pass on the American dream to the next generation.”

Comments

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was there, in the front row. It was a great event and I got the chance to shake Senator Obama's hand and speak with him very briefly.

When I got home I watched the coverage on channel 3. WSAZ also highlighted a new poll last night showing Senator Obama ahead in West Virginia by a margin of 50-42. This is the first time he's been ahead of McCain there. Fivethirtyeight.com shows that Indiana AND Missouri have now crossed over into the Obama column...both traditionally "red" states.

The McCain camp is desperate. They are falling behind more every day. McCain is campaigning in the traditionally republican state of Wisconsis right now while Senator Obama just finished up an event in Chilicothe about an hour ago. At this point, it appears that McCain is simply trying to defend against a landslide.

Every day we're seeing bad news about the economy. Major plunges in the stock market. ANOTHER handout of $35 billion to AIG even as they plan ANOTHER lavish multi-million retreat complete with the spa treatments and all the little luxuries. Americans are fed up. They're fed up with the idea that if we hand over our money to these people that somehow the benefits will rain down upon us. Anyone with any common sense can see the truth...it doesn't.

Are you better off than you were 4 years ago? Are you and your 401K better off than you were 4 WEEKS ago?

Barack Obama realizes the truth. He knows that it's time to turn the page on the failed economic policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption. He knows that it's time to put the middle class first again.

So when you see the McCain camp, including posts that may come after this one, trying to change the topic from the fact that we're in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression right now...remember that it is because their candidate represents more of the same. When they try to pass the buck and place the blame on someone or something else besides the failed economic policies of Bush and McCain, just recognize it's because they are behind...they are desperate and they have no other options.

It's time for change. It's time to elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The question should be... Are you better off than you were two years ago when democrats took over congress.

And look at all the shady characters Obama has been associated with... Ayers, Wright, Rezco, Neo... ;)

Mr. Obama... when did you meet Neo and how long have you known him!!!!

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

“I can take four more weeks of John McCain’s attacks,” Obama said. “America can’t take four more years of George Bush look-a-like policy.”

Jeez and democrats thought that McCain overused his POW experience??? Of course it didn't matter who the republicans nominated, Obambi would have said they all were following Bush's policies.

What we don't need is someone who will follow Carter's failed policies.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just see my comment from October 10, 2008 at 12;01pm.

I don't really need to add. The McCain camp just wants to change the topic, not the policies. They're fine with "socialism" when it comes to giving AIG an $85 billion bailout and then a subsequent $35 billion bailout while AIG then goes out, AFTER the bailout, spends $400 million for an extravagant luxury retreat including spa treatments and all the rest. They are fine with "socialism" when it comes to giving a $700 billion bailout to financial institutions that failed due to their own greed and irresponsible policies...enabled by the Bush-McCain policy of deregulation.

Of course, the McCain camp would then come back by defending their "selective socialism" by pointing out the REAL criminals from their point of view...people like you and me.

Yes, as they export American jobs and import middle east oil...and then charge the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST price for gasoline they can get away with (notice the price drops recently) even if it kills the average American.

This is the moral equivalent of a truck driver with a full load of bottled water driving through the desert, and finding someone whose car has broken down and is on the point of dying for thirst...that man asking for a bottle of water...and the other man charging the fair price for one bottle of water...everything in the other guy's wallet. Hey, it's supply and demand right?

Middle class America is like that man in the desert dying of thirst. Corporate America is like the man who charges the full contents of the other man's wallet for one bottle of water.

Some people have been conditioned to the point that they actually fight for the very policies that have put them, the middle class and all of America in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo, what do you do, cut and paste your posts on every thread?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

See what happens when you get democrats in power??? And yes Neo, I know that Obama "says" he's against gay marriage. He also said he's vote against FISA and that he would accept federal campaign money. What he says and what he actually does is usually two different things.

HARTFORD, Conn. — Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex couples have the right to marry, making the state the third behind Massachusetts and California to legalize such unions.

The divided court ruled 4-3 that gay and lesbian couples cannot be denied the freedom to marry under the state constitution, and Connecticut's civil unions law does not provide those couples with the same rights as heterosexual couples.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Folks, I'm not going to stay on here and go back and forth with Noesis all day. I'm sure he's a swell guy but he's just got it all wrong on the issues.

Need I say more than the fact that he believes that YOU, if you get a tax refund...if it nets out that you get back all that you put in through the year...he believes that you SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO VOTE.

Noesis and I both copy and paste comments. I copy and paste comments because they usually answer the various different versions of remarks just intended to change the topic off the real issue...the fact that we're in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and the failed economic policies of George Bush and John McCain are to blame.

As I've already said, the McCain camp and some...not all... of their supporters will go to great lengths to change the topic away from the economy. They will try to pass the buck and the blame away from the failed economic policies of George Bush and John McCain. I have no doubt that there are MANY more supporters of McCain who do not and would not engage in this political tactic, but a few do.

In the final analysis, after November 4th we should all go back to being Americans first. If your guy doesn't win, and I will take this approach myself, give the other guy a chance. Our future as Americans and the future of our children and grandchildren is much more important than anything we say here.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

4 years of Obama = 4 years of Carter

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My fellow Americans,

First, a word about last night's debate. Thanks to Tom Brokaw, the news networks which covered my victory, and especially to those whose meatball questions allowed me to give answers just vague enough to be incontestable. But here's the main takeaway from the debate: I look so fine in a suit.

Now, when I'm out visiting the proletariat, I often get this question: "O Great One, you speak of change and hope, and I'm completely in love with you in a non-erotic sense. But what specifically will you do?"

Today I will lay out my plans for change at the highest level of government. For the last eight years we have worked with the same three branches of government we've always had: Legislative, Judicial, and Executive. Well, America, change is coming. All three branches will be renamed and reorganized as follows:

Legislative

The Legislative branch will now be known as The Change Branch, or simply Change. The Senate and House will be renamed Upper House of Change and Obama's Magical Change Fairies, respectively.

But how will things truly be different? Here's how. I will be extremely busy practicing diplomacy by listening empathetically to the concerns of insane dictators and tyrants. So I will therefore delegate management of domestic issues to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. In fact, my first official act will be to teach them both my signature, so they can sign any bill they like in my absence.

Judicial

The Judicial branch will be known as The Hope Branch, or simply Hope. Why? Because our greatest hope is that America will become a great secular socialist utopia. To get there, we need unelected, unaccountable, life-tenured Justices (Supreme Agents of Hope, if you please) to create law by fiat.

Executive

Finally, we come to the Executive branch. I considered several new names here: The Hopechangetive Branch, The Politburo, The Marlboro... But what, really, is the Executive branch all about? It's simple: ME. The Executive Branch will therefore be known as OBAMA. All caps, please. Soon I will lay out in further detail my plans for OBAMA. But right now I could really use a smoke.

Until then, I remain your Obamannointed Obamessiah,

Barry

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Forget that. I'm not going to forget Obama is a socialist pig if he gets elected. I will fight against his evil causes till the day I die.

Evil is evil people, and you have to fight it. You can't become complacent and say 'He'll only last 4 years, then we win'. Obama and his whacky crew of idiots in Pelosi and Reid will turn our country into a socialized state.

If you folks haven't done so, I suggest you read the book 1984 by George Orwell. If Obama gets elected, that is what our society will look like.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My fellow Americans,

A few items today.

First, in my previous post, I announced my intention to rename the U.S. House of Representatives to Obama's Magical Change Fairies. I would like to clarify that I was in no way referring to Barney Frank.

Second, you may have seen this article

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/...

claiming that a funky smell permeates the press section of my official jet. Let me tell you, America, that smell is CHANGE, and as I've said before, this nation is about to get downright reesty with Changestank. I therefore now unveil my campaign's latest logo and slogan:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LVyleqOaqUg/SO...

Last, and most important, I need you, my smitten readers, to leave comments. Tell me in fawning hyperbole how much you love me. Tell me how badly you want me, your benevolent man-god currently taking human form, to make your decisions. Tell me how desperately you need my Massive Obamalicious Government to save you from your mediocre selves. It might help if you prostrate yourself or at least genuflect while you type. Talk to me, America!

I await your plaudits. Until then, I remain your Mountain of Molten Hope,

Barry

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My fellow Americans,

Yesterday I unveiled my plans for reorganizing the federal government. Today, more detail about OBAMA (currently known as the Executive Branch). Specifically, here are a few people I will appoint as high-ranking lickspittles:

Secretary of Defense: Oprah Winfrey

For the last eight years our military has been too focused on winning wars. America, we are better than this. Secretary Winfrey will teach our troops to be good listeners, to show empathy, to embrace their own emotions, and to be patient with their personal shortcomings. And maybe how to lose weight.

Director of Faith Based Initiatives: Bill Maher

I've been a faithful Christian churchgoer ever since I first thought of running for president. As President, I will continue to staff the office of Faith Based Initiatives so that normal people like myself can work hand in hand with Jesus Freaks and creepy religionists across the country. No one is more qualified to lead this effort than Bill Maher.

Secretary of Education: Bill Ayers

Look, I barely know this guy. But I owe him a favor. It's a Chicago thing - don't worry about it.

Until next time, I remain your unimaginably cool and smooth Changinator-in-Chief,

Barry

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama Gaffe?

The ACORN doesn't fall far from the tree ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewI1QD0QU...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

...So when you see the McCain camp, including posts that may come after this one, trying to change the topic from the fact that we're in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression right now...remember that it is because their candidate represents more of the same. When they try to pass the buck and place the blame on someone or something else besides the failed economic policies of Bush and McCain, just recognize it's because they are behind...they are desperate and they have no other options.

It's time for change. It's time to elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets see who Bill Clinton blames this crisis on:

Bill Clinton on Thursday told ABC’s Chris Cuomo that Democrats for years have been “resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac“

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwv0Fgte...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here are democrats thwarting efforts to reighn in Freddie and Fannie:

"Frankly, we were trying to fix something that wasn't broke," Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., said in a 2004 hearing. "Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and, in particular, at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines."

Rep. Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y., said the GSEs had done a "tremendous job," and angrily questioned the competence of federal regulators attempting to rein in practices at the GSEs, saying, "There's been nothing that was indicated that's wrong with Fannie Mae."

Rep. Lacy Clay, D-Mo., called the hearing a "political lynching of Franklin Raines," who is black. "I get the feeling that the markets are not worrying about the safety and soundness of Fannie Mae as (the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight) says that it is."

Rep. Frank said at the hearing, "I don't see anything in the report that raises safety and soundness problems" regarding the GSEs, adding that "I think it serves us badly" to question the safety and soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo, everyone was doing great 2 years ago. Democrats get control and they fly the plane straight into the mountain.

Coast to Coast AM had a great show on the other night about the Anti-Christ and the Bible expert on the show claimed Obama could be the Anti-Christ.

Posted by neocom (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone is trying to make obama a messiah. never happen.. He is not the messiah nor is he anointed. I have a name for him but it would offend the dems.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo,

You don't like political satire?

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As predicted...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

It's time for change. It's time to elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vil ,

Becareful you are not being politically correct and your post might get removed if someone complains (sarcasm)

Posted by PointofView (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vil, you are cracking me up and I agree with your view on the economic crisis we find ourselves in. Some people aren't able to see that the situation we are in now is directly related to policies created during the Clinton administration. It was a great band-aid then, but look what we have now. A great big pile of doo-doo that many want to neatly place on the current administrations doorstep. I hope that Obama doesn't get in, because he is not what is best for our country. I don't agree with every single thing McCain has campaigned for, but at least I know approximately how McCain will achieve most of his promises. Obama is a lot like Carter. I do not mean that in a flattering way either. Don't get me wrong, Carter is a good man, but he was NOT a good President. Obama exploits the working men and women's plight to simply garner their support at the polls. If he gets in, I can almost predict how fast we will be left to deal with our own problems once again. Truth is, if either candidate can't soothe the tensions and truly become bipartisan, absolutely nothing positive for our people and/or our nation is going to happen. I believe Obama is a gifted speaker, and that is why he is doing as well as he is. McCain has nothing left to prove as to his dedication to our country. His record does show that he doesn't always side with party lines. I pray that people really weigh the fact that Obama doesn't have any real leadership experience and votes McCain.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IF THE ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY

ELECTORAL VOTE
Obama - 348
McCain - 190

POPULAR VOTE
Obama - 51.8%
McCain - 16.6%

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo said,

October 7, 2008 at 4:00 pm

Closing Bell….Dow is down by 508...

That puts the Dow at 9,454 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.

That’s a drop of 3,546 points or 27.3%.

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The Dow was down by 112 today. That's the EIGHTH consecutive day the Dow has been down.

That puts the Dow at 8,466 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.

That’s a drop of 4,534 points or 35%.

Thanks for the failed economic policies Bush and McCain!

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IF THE ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY

ELECTORAL VOTE
Obama - 348
McCain - 190

POPULAR VOTE
Obama - 51.8%
McCain - 16.6%
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Who's the other 30% going to? Palin?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:28 p.m.

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Dow was down by 112 today. That's the EIGHTH consecutive day the Dow has been down.

That puts the Dow at 8,466 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.

That’s a drop of 4,534 points or 35%.

Thanks for the failed economic policies of DEMOCRATS!

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh goody! A literature comment. I love those.

A socialist, George Orwell used his work to promote socialism.

How's this for Orwellian? You listen to a person whose opinions are not in tune with those of mainstream America. You may not necessarily agree with everything the person says, but you listen and agree with this person sometimes or even most of the time. Later on, it is revealed that EVERYTHING this person has ever said is evil, therefore, you are evil as well.

Sound familiar?

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was about ten feet from the podium, thrilled to listen to a politician who doesn't talk to us as if we're stupid ("I'll make sure we win all our wars!" YAYYYYY!")
I can't help comparing it to McCain's rally the same day, people whose faces are twisted with hate yelling terrorist, socialist, communist. One man just yelled, Die! A reporter asked, Do you mean you want Obama to die? and he replied, Everybody has to die sometime, or some similar snippet of redneck wisdom. If these people, this awful campaign, were to win, there'd hardly be anything to be proud of anymore. Is John McCain cogent enough to be ashamed of what he's become? And exactly what IS a republican now?

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Having said that, I agree with Vil. Maybe everybody on here SHOULD read 1984. Sure, it was written by a socialist pig, but it will make you sound smart if you refer to it.

BTW--I love this quote:
"George Orwell is almost certainly the only socialist to have suffered the indignity of being championed by large numbers of his political enemies."

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a good one from the U.K. that shows Obama and his ties to Communist/Muslims in Kenya:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxN......

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

George Orwell is spinning in his grave, and it's not b/c of Obama.

The McCain rallies could come straight out of "Animal Farm", but people just don't see it.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta, you were about 10 feet from the podium? Me too! I think I was standing right by you. I don't put personal info on this forum but I was to Obama's left and had an older fellow from Kentucky standing on my left side. If I'm guessing correctly, you were standing on my right side. The only other people that close were the union people in the center section. If that was you, you're a nice person and I enjoyed talking with you.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the heads up on the typo noesis.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IF THE ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY

ELECTORAL VOTE
Obama - 348
McCain - 190

POPULAR VOTE
Obama - 51.8%
McCain - 46.6%

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Neo ,

Since you like to quote the market ... Why didn't you talk about all the companies whos stocks increased today? Could it be that you are using the same tactic that Obama is using ... fear? Are facts that difficult to grasp?

Apple Computer ... Up over 9% in one day!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL

Some Of The Price Gainers -

3 from NYSE

DDR-PH DEVELPRS DIV RLT DEP 18.25 4:00PM ET 10.25 (128.12%)

PNX THE PHOENIX CO INC 6.46 4:06PM ET 3.21 (98.77%)

PGE-PB PRIME GRP 9.0 B 3.05 4:00PM ET 1.50 (96.77%)

3 from the AMEX

FVE FIVE STAR QUAL CARE 2.90 4:02PM ET 1.01 (53.44%)
SUF SULPHCO INC 1.50 4:00PM ET 0.48 (47.06%)

OPK OPKO HEALTH INC. 1.68 4:03PM ET 0.47 (38.84%)

3 From NASDAQ

TRGT TARGACEPT, INC. 5.26 4:00PM ET 2.44 (86.52%) 57,387 Chart, Profile, More

DORM DORMAN PRODUCTS INC 12.05 4:00PM ET 5.43 (82.02%)

PSEC PROSPECT CAPITAL CP 10.76 4:00PM ET 4.47 (71.07%)

http://finance.yahoo.com/gainers?e=us

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

October 7, 2008 at 4:00 pm

Closing Bell….Dow is down by 508...

That puts the Dow at 9,454 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.

That’s a drop of 3,546 points or 27.3%.

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The Dow was down by 112 today. That's the EIGHTH consecutive day the Dow has been down.

That puts the Dow at 8,466 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.

That’s a drop of 4,534 points or 35%.

Thanks for the failed economic policies Bush and McCain!

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Several of the McCain camp here have tried to pass the buck, unlike the Reupblicans' favorite Democrat Harry Truman, and place blame at the feet of the Democrats in Congress who've had the majority for TWO of the last EIGHT years.

Time to man up, fellas.

Please enlighten me with the specific legislation that Congress passed, Bush vetoed and then Congress overrode. This example, if you have one, should also point out how Bush went on the TV breathing fire and brimstone making the people of America aware of this grave mistake Congress was about to make, and a call from Bush to the American people to call their Congressional representatives urging them not to pass the legislation.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yea .... I got it Neo ... that is exactly what you are trying to do ...

instill ...

F.E.A.R.

Isn't that an act of desparation?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looking at Neo ... humph ... man up?

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dave, I notice that you're responding with an unfounded accusation and not a response to the specific question issued in my last post.

I've provided information that summarizes an index of our overall market performance. It's not about fear, it's about

R.E.A.L.I.T.Y.

Furthermore, there's no need for me to have any desperation since my candidate is destroying the opposition.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh goody! A literature comment. I love those.

The totalitarian regimes in George Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm were able to exist because of, not just killing/annihilating anyone who was, dare I say, a RADICAL, but also killing/retraining anyone who was in anyway thought to possibly be associated with said RADICALS and/or their RADICAL ideas.
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Except now Alison, people who say anything against Obama are attacked:

On Aug. 25, Obama demanded that the Justice Department stop TV stations from airing a documented, accurate independent ad spotlighting Obama's longtime working relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers. Obama summoned his followers to bombard stations, many of them owned by conservative-leaning Sinclair Communications, with 93,000 e-mails to squelch the commercial.

The Obama campaign then sent another letter to the Justice Department demanding investigation and prosecution of American Issues Project, the group that produced the Ayers ad.

Accountable America is trolling campaign finance databases and targeting conservative donors with "warning" letters in a thuggish attempt to depress Republican fundraising.

And Obama exhorted his followers to sabotage the WGN radio show of veteran Chicago host and University of Chicago professor Milt Rosenberg. Why? Because he invited National Review writer Stanley Kurtz to discuss his investigative findings about Obama's ties to Ayers and the underwhelming results of their collaboration on a left-wing educational project sponsored by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

In St. Louis, local law-enforcement authorities, dominated by Democrat-party activists, were threatening libel prosecutions against Obama’s political opposition. County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, abetted by a local sheriff and encouraged by the Obama campaign, warned that members of the public who dared speak out against Obama during the campaign’s crucial final weeks would face criminal libel charges — if, in the judgment of these conflicted officials, such criticism of their champion was “false.”

There is a troubling report that the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Section, top officials of which are Obama contributors, has suggested criminal prosecutions against those they anticipate will engage in voter “intimidation” or “oppression” in an election involving a black candidate. ...

Sort of reminds me of dictatorships in other countries where you can be thrown in jail just for telling the truth about the leader.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:01 p.m.

Time to man up, fellas.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo ... That is David to you Sir ...

I will remind you that the election has not been held. What will you do then when McCain / Palin is elected?

You didn't post reality about the Market. You only posted your distorted view point of the market. The fact is there are good sound companies in this country that despite the tormoil in the finance sector, still doing well. Again you are doing nothing but fear mongering. That is something that this country does not need right now.

As for my accusation of your inaccuracy being unfounded ... I totally disagree with you.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo,

I am sending you a private message off line ... I would like to speak to you man to man ... in private ...

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo..... So does that mean you will be voting for Obama?
You are registered right?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't need to Neo, it was the democrats who put the Community Reinvestment Act into practice.

It was democrats who even Clinton admitted fought against regulating Freddie and Fannie:

Bill Clinton: ... I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is not an opinion. This is not my view. This is the reality of what everyone in this country knows and can see on TV every single day:

October 7, 2008 at 4:00 pm

Closing Bell….Dow is down by 508...

That puts the Dow at 9,454 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.

That’s a drop of 3,546 points or 27.3%.

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The Dow was down by 112 today. That's the EIGHTH consecutive day the Dow has been down.

That puts the Dow at 8,466 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.

That’s a drop of 4,534 points or 35%.

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Now, one more time...

Time to man up, fellas.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Slick, I ALREADY voted for Obama.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I guess voter fraud is still rampant in Ohio.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:35 p.m.

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bill Clinton? Our economy was strong, unemployment was low and we were running budget surpluses when he left office. I'm sorry, but no objective thinking American is going to believe that BILL CLINTON is the cause of the economic crisis we're in.

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Let's try again, and try to come up with something within the realm of reason this time.

Several of the McCain camp here have tried to pass the buck, unlike the Reupblicans' favorite Democrat Harry Truman, and place blame at the feet of the Democrats in CONGRESS who've had the majority for TWO of the last EIGHT years.

Time to man up, fellas.

Please enlighten me with the specific legislation that CONGRESS passed, Bush vetoed and then CONGRESS overrode. This example, if you have one, should also point out how Bush went on the TV breathing fire and brimstone making the people of America aware of this grave mistake CONGRESS was about to make, and a call from Bush to the American people to call their Congressional representatives urging them not to pass the legislation.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:45 p.m.

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Slick - I don't claim to have any peeps. I have been fair to you...you know that for a fact...and it's unfortunate to see the direction you're choosing to go with your posts.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, the majority of America believes differently. They are increasingly supporting Barack Obama because THEY believe the cause of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression is a direct result of the failed economic policies of George Bush and John McCain.

The majority of Americans are looking forward to January 20, 2009 as day one of Barack Obama turning the page on the failed policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:53 p.m.

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Working Class White Voters Are Ditching McCain

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_o...

"KITTANNING, Pa. - The steel mills and coal mines of western Pennsylvania helped fuel the nation's economic engine. Today, old factory shells and boarded-up storefronts stand as bleak reminders of those once-prosperous times.

But the voters in working-class enclaves such as this still are a sought-after prize in presidential politics, and many are belatedly backing Democratic nominee Barack Obama.

In the Democratic primaries, working-class whites consistently supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Later polls showed them overwhelmingly favoring Republican nominee John McCain.

Now, driven by fears that their personal finances could further deteriorate, many see Obama as the better choice — their thinking in some cases driven more by concern about how McCain would handle the economy than any growing admiration for his rival..."

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Colbert: Let's count the different ways this is Bill Clinton's fault. Um, too much regulation, right? Too much regulation. Fannie, Freddie, bad, bad.

Cramer and Colbert: Bad. Bad-bad-bad-bad.

Colbert: Because he expanded that, right?

Cramer: Well, they were allowed to lend to anybody who walked in. Anybody who walked in got up to 400 thousand dollars.

Colbert: What are we doing giving loans to people who need money?

Cramer: It's outrageous, outrageous, but it's also, what, they were set up to do that. They were set up to give people loans who couldn't get 'em otherwise.

Colbert: So that's, so that's it. It was the government that did it.

Cramer: Oh, everybody participated but the government did have a lot to do with it.

Colbert: Okay, so we can safely not blame this on, on, on, the Bush Administration.

Cramer: No, you can't. Honestly, you can't blame it on the Bush Administration.

Colbert: You cannot.

Cramer: No you can't.

Colbert: A-ha-ha-ha!

Cramer: You actually can't.

Colbert: Thank you.

Cramer: I'd love to but I can't. It doesn't work.

Colbert: All right.

It's historically inaccurate.

Colbert: All right, but whose fault is it?

Cramer: Well I mean the Democrats wanted them to be able to lend to anybody.

Colbert: I love you. Go ahead.

Cramer: It's true. It is true. Because the Democrats got a lot of campaign contributions from Fannie and Freddie and vice-versa. It was a big circle.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, did that impress anybody? I'm presuming you're considering Cramer to be the expert and not Colbert.

Let's see, who is Jim Cramer. He's a Wall Street insider. He's gotten into trouble over collusion and market manipulation. He is, for all practical purposes, a part of one of the most detested institutions in America today...Wall Street.

He is a smart guy and has a funny TV show but he's wrong as often as he's right. Last September, he was dead-certain that the Dow would go over 15,000 by the end of the year. It didn't. It plunged, and continued to plunge to where we are today.

Sorry, Jim Cramer, but we know how much you like the republican economic policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption. For more on Jim Cramer, check:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Cramer#...

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo...how many times did you vote already for this election??? Just wondering :)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

slick, we haven't talked for awhile. How's the friend?

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MC.. I know we haven't. You ok? My friend is ok for now. Just spoke with her in class this week. We are planning a baby shower and helping with finding her a place. Thanks for asking. Have a good evening. Talk to you later.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

slick, I;m ok. I just lost something very special in my life this week, but I'm ok. Life goes on!

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis--If people spread lies about either candidate, they should be charged with libel. That goes for both McCain and Obama.

My post earlier was a response to something that I hear often in Southern Ohio---conservatives using the literature of a man who they would regard as "radical" and a "pig" were he alive today.

The truth is that Ayers was/is a terrorist, and Obama worked with him. That makes Obama a terrorist, too. In some people's view.

Then, they say "well, that says a lot about him." What does it say, exactly? He worked on the Annenberg project with other people, both Republican and Democrats.

I want to see a list of everyone who has "palled" around with Ayers for the past 30 years--by some Repubs thinking, all of the people who would be on that list are evil.

I want to know the name of every single one of them, so I will know to stay away from them, and not conduct even one second of business with them.

I'm being sarcastic, for anyone reading this who actually thinks that this "list" is a good idea.

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do you think it is ok to hang around with an unrepentant domestic terrorist like Bill Ayers?

Why do you think it is ok to go to a racist church for 20 years and leave only when the press starts asking questions?

Obama, with his actions and his policies, is sending us towards an Orwellian society. That's something none of us should look forward to.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy smoke - has everyone seen the video of McCain having to talk his supporters down at a rally today, explaining that Obama is not a Muslim, not a terrorist? I actually thought, How awful for him. Then I remembered that he's been sending Cindy and Sarah out to spew hate speech he's afraid to use himself, and I just can't sympathize. How much farther can he fall?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison, the thing is, Obama knows what they are saying ISN'T lies but he wants the Justice Department to investigate anyway. If that isn't scary, I don't know what is.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's troubling that people should be prosecuted for intimidating voters? I thought that intimidating was illegal. Woo hoo! I can Google, copy, and paste too:

Poll watchers are barred by law from harassing voters. They have no right, for example, to demand that voters produce ID’s or other proofs of citizenship or residency. There are federal civil rights and election laws that make such practices a crime.

According to eyewitness accounts, the Republican supporters only questioned African-American voters. Democratic spokesman Guy Cecil commented, “They were literally going up to them and saying, ‘Before you vote, I want to see your identification.’” Some potential voters were also photographed.

Trey Ashcraft, chairman of the Jefferson County Election Commission, summoned a deputy from the Sheriff’s Office several times to escort poll watcher Diane Jones out of the clerk’s office for interfering with the voting process.

Voter Bonita McCray told the Pine Bluff Commercial that she was asked by poll watcher Allison Johnson to produce her identification. “When she insisted, I put my ID back in my purse,” she said. “They had no right to do this.” Officials in the clerk’s office, however, said that a number of voters were intimidated by the harassment and left without casting their ballots.

Charlotte Munson, Pine Bluff Deputy Clerk, reported that a Republican poll watcher walked behind her counter to photograph voter information she had pulled up on her computer screen.

Such conduct is illegal and unconstitutional. Under Arkansas state law, challenges can be made only after a voter has cast his or her ballot. None of the Republican violators were detained or arrested.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's a shame when some of the McCain supporters not only use the tactic I mentioned earlier (see below) but they also have such visceral animosity towards those who make the case for Obama that they have to resort to childish insults. You want to act like you're the ones with character...the moral high ground, but you do not demonstrate it.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

It's time for change. It's time to elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"McCain booed after trying to calm anti-Obama crowd "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_o...

So this is what it's come to. The character of the McCain crowd is apparent. What might not be so apparent is the marketing double-talk McCain used. Saying "You don't have to be scared of him..." is marketing-speak for "You do have to be scared of him." Before you McCain supporters go off into a rant about this statement, first of all, it's an accurate statement. Second, think about your own personal experience. If someone says something to you and then says "I am not lying", what do you think? You think "There's a pretty good chance this person is lying. Why would they bring it up otherwise." I've been consistent in posting that the economy is the issue in this election and all the implications that brings, but this is just shameful....both from the candidate and his supporters. I get the impression there might be some like-minded McCain supporters in this forum based on remarks and attitudes I've seen from that minority of commenters.

" LAKEVILLE, Minn. - The anger is getting raw at Republican rallies and John McCain is acting to tamp it down. McCain was booed by his own supporters Friday when, in an abrupt switch from raising questions about Barack Obama's character, he described the Democrat as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."

A sense of grievance spilling into rage has gripped some GOP events this week as McCain supporters see his presidential campaign lag against Obama. Some in the audience are making it personal, against the Democrat. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them..."

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's a shame when some of the McCain supporters not only use the tactic I mentioned earlier (see below) but they also have such visceral animosity towards those who make the case for Obama that they have to resort to childish insults.
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LOL, this from the guy who cuts and pastes his posts to just about every thread on this site. Who's being childish?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison, first of all you need to learn to read what it said:

There is a troubling report that the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Section, top officials of which are Obama contributors, has suggested criminal prosecutions against those they ANTICIPATE will engage in voter “intimidation” or “oppression” in an election involving a black candidate....
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Yes, I agree... intimidation's should be prosecuted. You however don't arrest someone because you THINK he's going to engage in intimidation.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo: "So this is what it's come to. The character of the McCain crowd is apparent."
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Pretty funny considering that democrats are known as the party of hate.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vil, we're already in an Orwellian society.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, did that impress anybody? I'm presuming you're considering Cramer to be the expert and not Colbert.
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I can't wait to see the spin on this one Neo...:

Democrat Congressman Artur Davis admits Democrats dropped the ball on reigning in the failed institutions and calls on fellow Democrats to do the same.

“Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues, I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership, when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit that when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, I was in Portsmouth last night and I didn't see any hate. I didn't hear anyone screaming things about McCain like what his crowd has been screaming in their events. America is seeing who these candidates are and what they stand for and that is why they are supporting Barack Obama more and more every day.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them..."

And this isn't scary?

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison, they're just shouting back what McCain and team have been saying and/or inferring to them. McCain is more guilty than any of those people because he's the one who's behind stirring it up in the first place. This will be a big asterisk right next to anything else he's ever accomplished when it all goes into the history books some day.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

neosis, thats a new one on me. look at the faces of all the candidates and their supporters, then tell me who has hatred on their faces.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, I agree. It's too bad that dirty politics on both sides have led up to this. Democrats shouldn't have intimidated African-Americans, and Republicans shouldn't have tried to intimate people either.

Do politicians actually think? No. Obama SHOULD HAVE avoided Wright's church, and Republicans need to admit that they have done a pretty crap job of things.

There are REAL problems within the Republican party--they can't even run as Republicans.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Democrats are the party of hate

WHAT? Where? It's the Democratic party whose leaders get killed, the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King, the young people who went down south to try to register minority voters, the crazy radicals who thought ten-year-old boys should go to school instead of working in coal mines. Nobody hates like the people McCain was trying to pacify at his rally today. They're world class. They're two beers away from mayhem.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My above was for Noesis.

Neo--I agree. He can't stir it (vocally) himself--his supporters don't seem to understand that. My concern is if he (McCain)DOES win, what has he won? What a big, nasty mess.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison - True. If you haven't yet, you might want to check this out...

www.fivethirtyeight.com

It's the best "poll of polls" analytical site. Obama just pulled ahead in Indiana and Missouri...West Virginia and Montana are next. McCain has virtually no hope of winning at this point.

The other reason for all the hate from the right is that this isn't just another election. Every once in a while you have a candidate that changes everything. JFK was one but his time was cut short. Ronald Reagan was the next one after that and the republicans still call out his name every election cycle.

Obama is that kind of candidate. When he wins and leads this country's turnaround, after governing for 8 years Democrats will invoke his name for the next 20 years. This isn't just about turning a page in America. It's about turning over a new chapter.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Official Obama Campaign Video Clip from Portsmouth Last Night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEJBPQOt6...

It was awesome!

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL--I was just getting ready to explain my "if."

I'm cynical by nature. And I think that scaring large groups of people to death sometimes works.

I'll check it out, thanks.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Lose" Ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCi3fVNEs...

This is good stuff too.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just made the most awesome typo above---

"Republicans shouldn't have tried to intimate people either."

Maybe the Republicans should become the party of love and start "intimating" people. LOL.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey....you all have a good night.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All joking aside, I just read an article asserting that Palin abused her power. I'm not sure how something like this could have/would have gotten past McCain's people. Hmmm.

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison...the Palin issue about abusing her power is old news, they tried to bring this up a long time ago. Where have you been? Just another low tactic against the Republicans.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at midnight (Suggest removal)

I think these pictures support my views on liberals being the party of haters:

http://www.4strugglemag.org/images/colou...

http://jcrue.files.wordpress.com/2008/06...

http://sps.k12.mo.us/ghs/library/flag-bu...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Democrats are the party of hate

Those people were called democrats... It was DEMOCRATS who opposed the civil rights act.

Posted by CommonSense (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its not old news that Palin's been found guilty of abusing her power in office.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Civil Rights Act was finally passed because of the strong support of President Lyndon Johnson. Southern Democrats who were horrified at the idea of African Americans with rights of citizenship found a new home in the Republican party, where they remain to this day.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

noesis - I don't know where YOU studied history, but there were only a small number of democrats against the Civil Rights Act, most of them southern.

- side note- all of the southern republicans voted against the bill.

So next time you want to "school" someone on their history, it'd be more persuasive if you finished reading the chapter in YOUR history book and stop trying to rewrite history.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

commonsense - we know about palin. we were just keeping quiet so as not to upset the McBush camp.

Come Nov. 4th, she and the "First Dude" can get back to Alaska in time to fill their freezer with moosemeat and win more snow mobile races.

Posted by CommonSense (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ooops...sorry. I was just sitting here trying to get my head around how Democrats = Liberals = Hate. I get so confused, don't you?

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The way we go at it around here, its hard to remember which party I'm not, but that HATE thing snapped me right back. LOL

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There was so much love being spread around on here earlier I felt the need for another shower. LOL

Posted by Joseph_Benning (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 6:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cool post on Texas Darling blog:

As someone born in Ecuador with friends and relatives in Latin America, I’m terrified watching how people in the United States are being manipulated just like people in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador to put a Marxist in power.

The similarities between Rafael Correa’s campaign for president of Ecuador and that of Obama for U.S. president are amazing. Correa had no experience but was young, charismatic and had good speaking skills. Correa’s slogans were the same as Obama’s: CHANGE, YES WE CAN, etc.

Informed Ecuadorians were not able to convince their clueless compatriots that Correa was a fake and not the young and wonderful savior the media was portraying. They could not compete in ads with the millions Correa had (mostly from unknown sources).

Once he took over, Correa dissolved Congress and took control of the legislative and judicial powers. In other words, he became a dictator. Ecuadorians are poorer than ever. The CHANGE has been toward Marxism and greater poverty for all.
It’s now obvious that Correa works for Chávez and terrorists AGAINST the United States.

Most informed Ecuadorians, when they realized the similarities between Correa and Obama, felt confident that Americans could not be fooled as Ecuadorians had. However, it seems many Americans are as clueless as the poorest and most ignorant people in Ecuador or Bolivia.

I hope it’s not too late and Americans realize that Obama is a Marxists with ties to Islamic terrorists, just like Castro, Chávez, Morales, Correa and Odinga.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10...

"Change" - Siren Song for the easily brainwashed.

Appeals Court approves of Chicago stealing Ohio Election.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl...

FIrst an unconstitutional transfer of power from legislative to executive branch which saddles us with tax debt beyond all belief. Sorry Obamaniacs, the rich aren't going to pay that $26.600.00 bailout tab for every man, woman and child in our country.

Second, judicial branch lets Chicago steal our election. No outrage, 'cause Chicago's stealing it for the Obamaniac's guy.

We are so screwed.

Posted by Joseph_Benning (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latest parrot points: McCain supporters mean, disrespectful, angry...

Timing to offset breaking news about Jodie Evans.

“102 Arrested After GOP Convention’s Third Night
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CodePink also took credit for disrupting Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s speech on Wednesday night. The group said two of its members were given tickets to the speech by a Republican delegate who was frustrated with the party and Palin.

The CodePink members, Medea Benjamin and Jodie Evans, were escorted from the Xcel Center after yelling and displaying a banner. They said they were held until after her speech but not arrested.”

http://www.newsmax.com/politics/cvn_conv...
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Jodie Evans?

TOP OBAMA CAMPAIGN FINANCIER WORKING WITH STATE SPONSORS OF TERRORISM TO UNDERMINE U.S.

A founding member of the campaign finance team of Democratic presidential nominee Illinois Sen. Barack Obama has been working with state sponsors of terrorism to undermine the United States in the global war on terror since at least February, 2003.

Jodie Evans, co-founder of the leftist anti-American group Code Pink...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news...

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison...the Palin issue about abusing her power is old news, they tried to bring this up a long time ago.

Slick--I was referring to something that had just come out an hour or so before....

I was supporting your girl, sort of. Pay attention!

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Benning, your laborious recounting of the political history of Ecuador isn't necessary. Besides, you're going to run out of evil dictators to compare Obama to at some point. Just tell these people that if Obama becomes president, they'll all have to wear turbans, or that he'll force us to be his slaves. That'll work fine. No need to reinvent the wheel here.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

commonsense - we know about palin. we were just keeping quiet so as not to upset the McBush camp.

MC--Oops--mea culpa. But seriously, wouldn't the McCain folks have figured it out and stayed away from her? They picked her anyway. I don't get it.

Posted by anotherview (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just think everyone should just stop and look at the world.
We really don’t know which candidate will do his job and the promises he makes.
But people, just think long and hard about how you vote in November. I know how I will vote, due to the fact I have seen how the government works and its not for the little people of the United States of America. They (government) only look and care about themselves and not the real issues and the laws of the land.
I’ve heard and read that a real citizen (in the Tri-State area) doing his job and lost his job for standing up for what his believes in and what was right. Now he and his family are paying the price. I believe this is the same, except, the shoe is on the other foot. I’m referring to the Palin situation. He is paying, why shouldn’t Palin. I see no difference.
I just hope that his situation will be resolved soon and they can get back to their normal lives, if they can.

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dang, I missed all the action

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Benning, your party chose McBush to lead their party. I know it must hurt to see your guy exhibit the disturbing, erratic behavior that he has during the campaign.

But I don't think its honorable to use the fear tactics you're introducing here. But, maybe thats all you have left. Your line "which saddles us with tax debt beyond all belief" is an example.

First, the Dumya tax cuts won't even expire until 2010, so you've got 2 years to search for a little tropical island where you can live without any taxes at all.

Second, the tax levels are just returning to where they were pre-Dumya. By the way, how did the rich use all that extra money? Dumya said they'd start/expand their businesses creating more jobs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics when Dumya took office unemployment was only 4%. As of 9/1 the unemployment rate is 6.1%. Nice job, Dumya.

The behavior of the rich only goes to show that greed breeds additional greed. But now the financial markets have reached a boiling point. Its not that the middle-class doesn't want to keep the rich wealthy. They simply don't have it anymore. The wealthiest 5% of people have sucked all the money the middle-class has. The middle-class are even being evicted from their homes. Its over! We want some of it back!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

House Of Lies: How Congress Failed To Protect Our Economy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As predicted / nothing new...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

It's time for change. It's time to elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Excuse me Neo ...

The two posts I just made were ON the economic crisis ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets talk more about the economy ....

When Democrats here attempt to blame McCain for not wanting to regulate ... what is really happening is their supporters are pointing the fingers right at the Democrats who voted against regulation ...

Senate Bill S.900

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act

This bill would have put strict regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Guess WHO voted FOR REGULATION!

Senator John McCain

Yes that is right Senator McCain voted for MORE regulation.

Don't believe me? Here are the websites and facts for you to read for yourself ....

Summary of the Bill

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd...

The Vote Record
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd...

Who voted against REGULATION?

Democrats

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok ... lets move on to Foreign Policy ... Neo ... do you wish to talk about that?

Who has been exposed for attempting to tried to Sway the Iraqis??

Anyone care to guess?

Senator Barack Obama

Read this Washington TImes Article

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets talk MORE about the economy Neo ...

See!! I am talking about the ECONOMY!!

The Real Culprits In This Meltdown

Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic financial turmoil on the market. But if it's dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx...

Open your eyes!! Read the Article ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More TALK ON THE ECONOMY!!

Obama's Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan

Barack Obama's tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. He also proposes a raft of tax credits that taxpayers can receive if they engage in various government-specified activities.

Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.

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Do you get this?? Do you really understand that Obama will RAISE the Marginal Tax rates for just about every federal tax!!!

What about those TAX CUTS HE PROMISED?

Those TAX CUTS ARE ONLY TAX CREDITS!!!

The tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.

DO YOU GET THIS? My and YOUR! Marginal Tax Rates will be RAISED Under Obama ... Then he will give that MONEY to people who pay NO TAXES!

This is not a TAX CUT - This is TAX WELFARE!!

See what the Wall Street Journal Says about it!! READ THE Article!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12191030...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Redistribution of Wealth

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, “How is your friend Audrey doing?”

She replied, “Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.”

Her wise father asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.”

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That wouldn’t be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!”

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “Welcome to the Republican party.”

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As predicted / nothing new...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

It's time for change. It's time to elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

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Well NEO! Your predictions were wrong !! Just like your prediction that Barack Obama will be elected president.

Yes it is TIME FOR Change!! It is time for some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY!

John McCain and Sarah Palin will bring that to Washington on inauguration day!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

”October Surprise” is Finally here

Must See Video ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtX...

Posted by camper (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I already have a cave picked out in case Obama takes office. I am already living on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at least 8 times a week with a glass of milk which I can not afford at almost $4 a gallon so most of the time I do not eat unless I have to.
I can not afford the gas to go back and forth to work, pay bills and buy food so I have to do what I can and it is just me I have no kids at home or anyone else to take care of.
I do not think it really matters who gets elected we are still screwed in my lifetime. I am at the point that either one will make our lives worse than what they are but I WILL NOT vote for OBAMA.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Black Republican Speaking Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl...

Very worth watching ....

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama says he never worked for ACORN ...

What about this ??

Barack Obama and ACORN Sued CitiBank For SubPrime Loans

Plaintiffs filed their class action lawsuit on July 6, 1994, alleging that Citibank had engaged in redlining practices in the Chicago metropolitan area in violation of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S.C. 1691; the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. 3601-3619; the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; and 42 U.S.C. 1981, 1982. Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. Plaintiffs sought injunctive relief, actual damages, and punitive damages.

Here are the court documents ...

http://clearinghouse.wustl.edu/detail.ph...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Judge orders Obama to produce birth certificate

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/dis...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John McCain vs. Barack Obama:

Look at the Records and Ignore the HYPE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqPhJ2dSY...

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is beginning to sound like one of those wingnut websites only true believers read, where they still beat that old Bill Clinton drum 24 hours a day.
The Acorn flap is a result of giving homeless people the opportunity to earn money by registering voters. They got paid per registrant, so some of the applications came back filled out by "Hedda Lettuce" and "Pep. E. Roni". Forms like these are quickly weeded out by elections boards, end of story. Some of those Justice Department firings involved attorneys who refused to make a mountain out of this molehill.
And it's pathetic to try to convince people that Democrats are at the root of this mortgage mess. The intervention with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac that McCain keeps claiming had nothing to do with bad mortgages. He was addressing an embarrassing accounting scandal that had become public, and citizens were demanding action.
Freddy and Fanny have never figured in my life at all, and we haven't had a mortgage in years. But because of legislation masterminded by Phil Gramm, McCain's economic guru, the rules that prevented banks from investing in risky schemes were lifted. Now my husband and I find that, after years of working hard and saving hard, a sizeable chunk of our net worth is invested in those bundled mortgages, the kind of investment that was illegal until Bush Administration cronies got to decide what's legal and what isn't. The mortgages aren't the problem - being able to unload the mortgages on unsuspecting citizens is the problem. Since so many people are terrified, you could call it terrorism.
And, for heaven's sake, Factcheck Bill Ayers and Obama. It'll take about 30 seconds.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jailed Obama Fundraiser Spills the Beans

Tony Rezko, who helped fund Barack Obama's early campaigns, was convicted in June of political corruption.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/11/...

If I was Barack Obama I would be a bit worried ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ahem ... Keta ...

Factcheck.Org

is an Obama propoganda machine ... no fact checking is going on there ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And it's pathetic to try to convince people that Democrats are at the root of this mortgage mess. The intervention with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac that McCain keeps claiming had nothing to do with bad mortgages. He was addressing an embarrassing accounting scandal that had become public, and citizens were demanding action.

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Yea Keta ... are you talking about Franklin Raines who was guilty of cooking the books to get his $90,000,000 ?? I typed all the zeros for dramatic affect.

Sorry Keta your post doesn't wash in the truth-o-meter ...

Those bundled mortgages you have invested in are the result of a social experiment gone bad ... call the Community Reinvestment Act ...

This really really really has nothing to do with Gramm and deregulation as you Dems like to harp on and point out all the time ....

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What did President Clinton have to say about the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act ?? He is the one that signed it into law ....

"I don't see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America, which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn't signed that bill. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I'd be glad to look at the evidence."

Did you catch what President Clinton said? The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act helped STABILIZE the current situation!

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Padanorr, you never disappoint. Explaining how wrong your broken-record excuses for the massive failures of the past eight years are is a full time job. I give up. But really...FactCheck keeps making McCain look bad, so FactCheck must be in the tank for Obama? Think about that for a minute.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like someone has had too much coffee!

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey padanorr, name ten positive things about the McCain platform
(without posting another link)

I'm curious.

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

seriously padanorr, all I see you post are attacks in one form or another

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1) McCain will lower taxes for all ... and support a tax policy that will enable this ecomomy to grow by creating jobs and encouraging entrepreneur to start new business

2) McCain will balance the budget before the end of his first term.

3) McCain will assist American's in the purchase of health care without creating a government run health care plan.

4) McCain's energy plan will reduce the cost of energy to American's.

5) McCain will reduce waste and pork in the Federal Budgets

6) McCain will put control of the government back where it belongs ... with the people ...

7) McCain will bring an end to the Iraq war in a manner that leaves the Iraqi people with a democratic country.

8) McCain will support legistlation to address Climate Change

9) McCain will protect this country against futher attack from Terrorists

10) McCain will secure the borders of the United States

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey michaelOH .... is that ENOUGH for you or shall I give you another 10?

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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