Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The question should be... Are you better off than you were two years ago when democrats took over congress.

And look at all the shady characters Obama has been associated with... Ayers, Wright, Rezco, Neo... ;)

Mr. Obama... when did you meet Neo and how long have you known him!!!!

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

“I can take four more weeks of John McCain’s attacks,” Obama said. “America can’t take four more years of George Bush look-a-like policy.”

Jeez and democrats thought that McCain overused his POW experience??? Of course it didn't matter who the republicans nominated, Obambi would have said they all were following Bush's policies.

What we don't need is someone who will follow Carter's failed policies.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo, what do you do, cut and paste your posts on every thread?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

See what happens when you get democrats in power??? And yes Neo, I know that Obama "says" he's against gay marriage. He also said he's vote against FISA and that he would accept federal campaign money. What he says and what he actually does is usually two different things.

HARTFORD, Conn. — Connecticut's Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex couples have the right to marry, making the state the third behind Massachusetts and California to legalize such unions.

The divided court ruled 4-3 that gay and lesbian couples cannot be denied the freedom to marry under the state constitution, and Connecticut's civil unions law does not provide those couples with the same rights as heterosexual couples.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

4 years of Obama = 4 years of Carter

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My fellow Americans,

First, a word about last night's debate. Thanks to Tom Brokaw, the news networks which covered my victory, and especially to those whose meatball questions allowed me to give answers just vague enough to be incontestable. But here's the main takeaway from the debate: I look so fine in a suit.

Now, when I'm out visiting the proletariat, I often get this question: "O Great One, you speak of change and hope, and I'm completely in love with you in a non-erotic sense. But what specifically will you do?"

Today I will lay out my plans for change at the highest level of government. For the last eight years we have worked with the same three branches of government we've always had: Legislative, Judicial, and Executive. Well, America, change is coming. All three branches will be renamed and reorganized as follows:

Legislative

The Legislative branch will now be known as The Change Branch, or simply Change. The Senate and House will be renamed Upper House of Change and Obama's Magical Change Fairies, respectively.

But how will things truly be different? Here's how. I will be extremely busy practicing diplomacy by listening empathetically to the concerns of insane dictators and tyrants. So I will therefore delegate management of domestic issues to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. In fact, my first official act will be to teach them both my signature, so they can sign any bill they like in my absence.

Judicial

The Judicial branch will be known as The Hope Branch, or simply Hope. Why? Because our greatest hope is that America will become a great secular socialist utopia. To get there, we need unelected, unaccountable, life-tenured Justices (Supreme Agents of Hope, if you please) to create law by fiat.

Executive

Finally, we come to the Executive branch. I considered several new names here: The Hopechangetive Branch, The Politburo, The Marlboro... But what, really, is the Executive branch all about? It's simple: ME. The Executive Branch will therefore be known as OBAMA. All caps, please. Soon I will lay out in further detail my plans for OBAMA. But right now I could really use a smoke.

Until then, I remain your Obamannointed Obamessiah,

Barry

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Forget that. I'm not going to forget Obama is a socialist pig if he gets elected. I will fight against his evil causes till the day I die.

Evil is evil people, and you have to fight it. You can't become complacent and say 'He'll only last 4 years, then we win'. Obama and his whacky crew of idiots in Pelosi and Reid will turn our country into a socialized state.

If you folks haven't done so, I suggest you read the book 1984 by George Orwell. If Obama gets elected, that is what our society will look like.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My fellow Americans,

A few items today.

First, in my previous post, I announced my intention to rename the U.S. House of Representatives to Obama's Magical Change Fairies. I would like to clarify that I was in no way referring to Barney Frank.

Second, you may have seen this article

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/...

claiming that a funky smell permeates the press section of my official jet. Let me tell you, America, that smell is CHANGE, and as I've said before, this nation is about to get downright reesty with Changestank. I therefore now unveil my campaign's latest logo and slogan:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LVyleqOaqUg/SO...

Last, and most important, I need you, my smitten readers, to leave comments. Tell me in fawning hyperbole how much you love me. Tell me how badly you want me, your benevolent man-god currently taking human form, to make your decisions. Tell me how desperately you need my Massive Obamalicious Government to save you from your mediocre selves. It might help if you prostrate yourself or at least genuflect while you type. Talk to me, America!

I await your plaudits. Until then, I remain your Mountain of Molten Hope,

Barry

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My fellow Americans,

Yesterday I unveiled my plans for reorganizing the federal government. Today, more detail about OBAMA (currently known as the Executive Branch). Specifically, here are a few people I will appoint as high-ranking lickspittles:

Secretary of Defense: Oprah Winfrey

For the last eight years our military has been too focused on winning wars. America, we are better than this. Secretary Winfrey will teach our troops to be good listeners, to show empathy, to embrace their own emotions, and to be patient with their personal shortcomings. And maybe how to lose weight.

Director of Faith Based Initiatives: Bill Maher

I've been a faithful Christian churchgoer ever since I first thought of running for president. As President, I will continue to staff the office of Faith Based Initiatives so that normal people like myself can work hand in hand with Jesus Freaks and creepy religionists across the country. No one is more qualified to lead this effort than Bill Maher.

Secretary of Education: Bill Ayers

Look, I barely know this guy. But I owe him a favor. It's a Chicago thing - don't worry about it.

Until next time, I remain your unimaginably cool and smooth Changinator-in-Chief,

Barry

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama Gaffe?

The ACORN doesn't fall far from the tree ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewI1QD0QU...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets see who Bill Clinton blames this crisis on:

Bill Clinton on Thursday told ABC’s Chris Cuomo that Democrats for years have been “resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac“

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwv0Fgte...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here are democrats thwarting efforts to reighn in Freddie and Fannie:

"Frankly, we were trying to fix something that wasn't broke," Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., said in a 2004 hearing. "Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and, in particular, at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines."

Rep. Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y., said the GSEs had done a "tremendous job," and angrily questioned the competence of federal regulators attempting to rein in practices at the GSEs, saying, "There's been nothing that was indicated that's wrong with Fannie Mae."

Rep. Lacy Clay, D-Mo., called the hearing a "political lynching of Franklin Raines," who is black. "I get the feeling that the markets are not worrying about the safety and soundness of Fannie Mae as (the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight) says that it is."

Rep. Frank said at the hearing, "I don't see anything in the report that raises safety and soundness problems" regarding the GSEs, adding that "I think it serves us badly" to question the safety and soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo, everyone was doing great 2 years ago. Democrats get control and they fly the plane straight into the mountain.

Coast to Coast AM had a great show on the other night about the Anti-Christ and the Bible expert on the show claimed Obama could be the Anti-Christ.

Posted by neocom (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone is trying to make obama a messiah. never happen.. He is not the messiah nor is he anointed. I have a name for him but it would offend the dems.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo,

You don't like political satire?

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vil ,

Becareful you are not being politically correct and your post might get removed if someone complains (sarcasm)

Posted by PointofView (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vil, you are cracking me up and I agree with your view on the economic crisis we find ourselves in. Some people aren't able to see that the situation we are in now is directly related to policies created during the Clinton administration. It was a great band-aid then, but look what we have now. A great big pile of doo-doo that many want to neatly place on the current administrations doorstep. I hope that Obama doesn't get in, because he is not what is best for our country. I don't agree with every single thing McCain has campaigned for, but at least I know approximately how McCain will achieve most of his promises. Obama is a lot like Carter. I do not mean that in a flattering way either. Don't get me wrong, Carter is a good man, but he was NOT a good President. Obama exploits the working men and women's plight to simply garner their support at the polls. If he gets in, I can almost predict how fast we will be left to deal with our own problems once again. Truth is, if either candidate can't soothe the tensions and truly become bipartisan, absolutely nothing positive for our people and/or our nation is going to happen. I believe Obama is a gifted speaker, and that is why he is doing as well as he is. McCain has nothing left to prove as to his dedication to our country. His record does show that he doesn't always side with party lines. I pray that people really weigh the fact that Obama doesn't have any real leadership experience and votes McCain.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IF THE ELECTION WERE HELD TODAY

ELECTORAL VOTE
Obama - 348
McCain - 190

POPULAR VOTE
Obama - 51.8%
McCain - 16.6%
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Who's the other 30% going to? Palin?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:28 p.m.

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Dow was down by 112 today. That's the EIGHTH consecutive day the Dow has been down.

That puts the Dow at 8,466 by the way. It was at 13,000 5 months ago.

That’s a drop of 4,534 points or 35%.

Thanks for the failed economic policies of DEMOCRATS!

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh goody! A literature comment. I love those.

The totalitarian regimes in George Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm were able to exist because of, not just killing/annihilating anyone who was, dare I say, a RADICAL, but also killing/retraining anyone who was in anyway thought to possibly be associated with said RADICALS and/or their RADICAL ideas.

A socialist, George Orwell used his work to promote socialism.

How's this for Orwellian? You listen to a person whose opinions are not in tune with those of mainstream America. You may not necessarily agree with everything the person says, but you listen and agree with this person sometimes or even most of the time. Later on, it is revealed that EVERYTHING this person has ever said is evil, therefore, you are evil as well.

Sound familiar?

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was about ten feet from the podium, thrilled to listen to a politician who doesn't talk to us as if we're stupid ("I'll make sure we win all our wars!" YAYYYYY!")
I can't help comparing it to McCain's rally the same day, people whose faces are twisted with hate yelling terrorist, socialist, communist. One man just yelled, Die! A reporter asked, Do you mean you want Obama to die? and he replied, Everybody has to die sometime, or some similar snippet of redneck wisdom. If these people, this awful campaign, were to win, there'd hardly be anything to be proud of anymore. Is John McCain cogent enough to be ashamed of what he's become? And exactly what IS a republican now?

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Having said that, I agree with Vil. Maybe everybody on here SHOULD read 1984. Sure, it was written by a socialist pig, but it will make you sound smart if you refer to it.

BTW--I love this quote:
"George Orwell is almost certainly the only socialist to have suffered the indignity of being championed by large numbers of his political enemies."

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a good one from the U.K. that shows Obama and his ties to Communist/Muslims in Kenya:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxN......

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

George Orwell is spinning in his grave, and it's not b/c of Obama.

The McCain rallies could come straight out of "Animal Farm", but people just don't see it.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Neo ,

Since you like to quote the market ... Why didn't you talk about all the companies whos stocks increased today? Could it be that you are using the same tactic that Obama is using ... fear? Are facts that difficult to grasp?

Apple Computer ... Up over 9% in one day!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL

Some Of The Price Gainers -

3 from NYSE

DDR-PH DEVELPRS DIV RLT DEP 18.25 4:00PM ET 10.25 (128.12%)

PNX THE PHOENIX CO INC 6.46 4:06PM ET 3.21 (98.77%)

PGE-PB PRIME GRP 9.0 B 3.05 4:00PM ET 1.50 (96.77%)

3 from the AMEX

FVE FIVE STAR QUAL CARE 2.90 4:02PM ET 1.01 (53.44%)
SUF SULPHCO INC 1.50 4:00PM ET 0.48 (47.06%)

OPK OPKO HEALTH INC. 1.68 4:03PM ET 0.47 (38.84%)

3 From NASDAQ

TRGT TARGACEPT, INC. 5.26 4:00PM ET 2.44 (86.52%) 57,387 Chart, Profile, More

DORM DORMAN PRODUCTS INC 12.05 4:00PM ET 5.43 (82.02%)

PSEC PROSPECT CAPITAL CP 10.76 4:00PM ET 4.47 (71.07%)

http://finance.yahoo.com/gainers?e=us

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yea .... I got it Neo ... that is exactly what you are trying to do ...

instill ...

F.E.A.R.

Isn't that an act of desparation?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looking at Neo ... humph ... man up?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh goody! A literature comment. I love those.

The totalitarian regimes in George Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm were able to exist because of, not just killing/annihilating anyone who was, dare I say, a RADICAL, but also killing/retraining anyone who was in anyway thought to possibly be associated with said RADICALS and/or their RADICAL ideas.
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Except now Alison, people who say anything against Obama are attacked:

On Aug. 25, Obama demanded that the Justice Department stop TV stations from airing a documented, accurate independent ad spotlighting Obama's longtime working relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers. Obama summoned his followers to bombard stations, many of them owned by conservative-leaning Sinclair Communications, with 93,000 e-mails to squelch the commercial.

The Obama campaign then sent another letter to the Justice Department demanding investigation and prosecution of American Issues Project, the group that produced the Ayers ad.

Accountable America is trolling campaign finance databases and targeting conservative donors with "warning" letters in a thuggish attempt to depress Republican fundraising.

And Obama exhorted his followers to sabotage the WGN radio show of veteran Chicago host and University of Chicago professor Milt Rosenberg. Why? Because he invited National Review writer Stanley Kurtz to discuss his investigative findings about Obama's ties to Ayers and the underwhelming results of their collaboration on a left-wing educational project sponsored by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

In St. Louis, local law-enforcement authorities, dominated by Democrat-party activists, were threatening libel prosecutions against Obama’s political opposition. County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, abetted by a local sheriff and encouraged by the Obama campaign, warned that members of the public who dared speak out against Obama during the campaign’s crucial final weeks would face criminal libel charges — if, in the judgment of these conflicted officials, such criticism of their champion was “false.”

There is a troubling report that the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Section, top officials of which are Obama contributors, has suggested criminal prosecutions against those they anticipate will engage in voter “intimidation” or “oppression” in an election involving a black candidate. ...

Sort of reminds me of dictatorships in other countries where you can be thrown in jail just for telling the truth about the leader.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo ... That is David to you Sir ...

I will remind you that the election has not been held. What will you do then when McCain / Palin is elected?

You didn't post reality about the Market. You only posted your distorted view point of the market. The fact is there are good sound companies in this country that despite the tormoil in the finance sector, still doing well. Again you are doing nothing but fear mongering. That is something that this country does not need right now.

As for my accusation of your inaccuracy being unfounded ... I totally disagree with you.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo,

I am sending you a private message off line ... I would like to speak to you man to man ... in private ...

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo..... So does that mean you will be voting for Obama?
You are registered right?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't need to Neo, it was the democrats who put the Community Reinvestment Act into practice.

It was democrats who even Clinton admitted fought against regulating Freddie and Fannie:

Bill Clinton: ... I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I guess voter fraud is still rampant in Ohio.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please enlighten me with the specific legislation that Congress passed, Bush vetoed and then Congress overrode. This example, if you have one, should also point out how Bush went on the TV breathing fire and brimstone making the people of America aware of this grave mistake Congress was about to make, and a call from Bush to the American people to call their Congressional representatives urging them not to pass the legislation.

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Bill Clinton: ... I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 10, 2008 at 6:45 p.m.

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bill Clinton: ... I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Colbert: Let's count the different ways this is Bill Clinton's fault. Um, too much regulation, right? Too much regulation. Fannie, Freddie, bad, bad.

Cramer and Colbert: Bad. Bad-bad-bad-bad.

Colbert: Because he expanded that, right?

Cramer: Well, they were allowed to lend to anybody who walked in. Anybody who walked in got up to 400 thousand dollars.

Colbert: What are we doing giving loans to people who need money?

Cramer: It's outrageous, outrageous, but it's also, what, they were set up to do that. They were set up to give people loans who couldn't get 'em otherwise.

Colbert: So that's, so that's it. It was the government that did it.

Cramer: Oh, everybody participated but the government did have a lot to do with it.

Colbert: Okay, so we can safely not blame this on, on, on, the Bush Administration.

Cramer: No, you can't. Honestly, you can't blame it on the Bush Administration.

Colbert: You cannot.

Cramer: No you can't.

Colbert: A-ha-ha-ha!

Cramer: You actually can't.

Colbert: Thank you.

Cramer: I'd love to but I can't. It doesn't work.

Colbert: All right.

It's historically inaccurate.

Colbert: All right, but whose fault is it?

Cramer: Well I mean the Democrats wanted them to be able to lend to anybody.

Colbert: I love you. Go ahead.

Cramer: It's true. It is true. Because the Democrats got a lot of campaign contributions from Fannie and Freddie and vice-versa. It was a big circle.

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo...how many times did you vote already for this election??? Just wondering :)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

slick, we haven't talked for awhile. How's the friend?

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MC.. I know we haven't. You ok? My friend is ok for now. Just spoke with her in class this week. We are planning a baby shower and helping with finding her a place. Thanks for asking. Have a good evening. Talk to you later.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

slick, I;m ok. I just lost something very special in my life this week, but I'm ok. Life goes on!

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis--If people spread lies about either candidate, they should be charged with libel. That goes for both McCain and Obama.

My post earlier was a response to something that I hear often in Southern Ohio---conservatives using the literature of a man who they would regard as "radical" and a "pig" were he alive today.

The truth is that Ayers was/is a terrorist, and Obama worked with him. That makes Obama a terrorist, too. In some people's view.

Then, they say "well, that says a lot about him." What does it say, exactly? He worked on the Annenberg project with other people, both Republican and Democrats.

I want to see a list of everyone who has "palled" around with Ayers for the past 30 years--by some Repubs thinking, all of the people who would be on that list are evil.

I want to know the name of every single one of them, so I will know to stay away from them, and not conduct even one second of business with them.

I'm being sarcastic, for anyone reading this who actually thinks that this "list" is a good idea.

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do you think it is ok to hang around with an unrepentant domestic terrorist like Bill Ayers?

Why do you think it is ok to go to a racist church for 20 years and leave only when the press starts asking questions?

Obama, with his actions and his policies, is sending us towards an Orwellian society. That's something none of us should look forward to.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy smoke - has everyone seen the video of McCain having to talk his supporters down at a rally today, explaining that Obama is not a Muslim, not a terrorist? I actually thought, How awful for him. Then I remembered that he's been sending Cindy and Sarah out to spew hate speech he's afraid to use himself, and I just can't sympathize. How much farther can he fall?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison, the thing is, Obama knows what they are saying ISN'T lies but he wants the Justice Department to investigate anyway. If that isn't scary, I don't know what is.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's troubling that people should be prosecuted for intimidating voters? I thought that intimidating was illegal. Woo hoo! I can Google, copy, and paste too:

Poll watchers are barred by law from harassing voters. They have no right, for example, to demand that voters produce ID’s or other proofs of citizenship or residency. There are federal civil rights and election laws that make such practices a crime.

According to eyewitness accounts, the Republican supporters only questioned African-American voters. Democratic spokesman Guy Cecil commented, “They were literally going up to them and saying, ‘Before you vote, I want to see your identification.’” Some potential voters were also photographed.

Trey Ashcraft, chairman of the Jefferson County Election Commission, summoned a deputy from the Sheriff’s Office several times to escort poll watcher Diane Jones out of the clerk’s office for interfering with the voting process.

Voter Bonita McCray told the Pine Bluff Commercial that she was asked by poll watcher Allison Johnson to produce her identification. “When she insisted, I put my ID back in my purse,” she said. “They had no right to do this.” Officials in the clerk’s office, however, said that a number of voters were intimidated by the harassment and left without casting their ballots.

Charlotte Munson, Pine Bluff Deputy Clerk, reported that a Republican poll watcher walked behind her counter to photograph voter information she had pulled up on her computer screen.

Such conduct is illegal and unconstitutional. Under Arkansas state law, challenges can be made only after a voter has cast his or her ballot. None of the Republican violators were detained or arrested.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's a shame when some of the McCain supporters not only use the tactic I mentioned earlier (see below) but they also have such visceral animosity towards those who make the case for Obama that they have to resort to childish insults.
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LOL, this from the guy who cuts and pastes his posts to just about every thread on this site. Who's being childish?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison, first of all you need to learn to read what it said:

There is a troubling report that the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Section, top officials of which are Obama contributors, has suggested criminal prosecutions against those they ANTICIPATE will engage in voter “intimidation” or “oppression” in an election involving a black candidate....
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Yes, I agree... intimidation's should be prosecuted. You however don't arrest someone because you THINK he's going to engage in intimidation.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo: "So this is what it's come to. The character of the McCain crowd is apparent."
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Pretty funny considering that democrats are known as the party of hate.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vil, we're already in an Orwellian society.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, did that impress anybody? I'm presuming you're considering Cramer to be the expert and not Colbert.
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I can't wait to see the spin on this one Neo...:

Democrat Congressman Artur Davis admits Democrats dropped the ball on reigning in the failed institutions and calls on fellow Democrats to do the same.

“Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues, I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership, when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit that when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them..."

And this isn't scary?

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

neosis, thats a new one on me. look at the faces of all the candidates and their supporters, then tell me who has hatred on their faces.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, I agree. It's too bad that dirty politics on both sides have led up to this. Democrats shouldn't have intimidated African-Americans, and Republicans shouldn't have tried to intimate people either.

Do politicians actually think? No. Obama SHOULD HAVE avoided Wright's church, and Republicans need to admit that they have done a pretty crap job of things.

There are REAL problems within the Republican party--they can't even run as Republicans.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Democrats are the party of hate

WHAT? Where? It's the Democratic party whose leaders get killed, the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King, the young people who went down south to try to register minority voters, the crazy radicals who thought ten-year-old boys should go to school instead of working in coal mines. Nobody hates like the people McCain was trying to pacify at his rally today. They're world class. They're two beers away from mayhem.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My above was for Noesis.

Neo--I agree. He can't stir it (vocally) himself--his supporters don't seem to understand that. My concern is if he (McCain)DOES win, what has he won? What a big, nasty mess.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL--I was just getting ready to explain my "if."

I'm cynical by nature. And I think that scaring large groups of people to death sometimes works.

I'll check it out, thanks.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just made the most awesome typo above---

"Republicans shouldn't have tried to intimate people either."

Maybe the Republicans should become the party of love and start "intimating" people. LOL.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All joking aside, I just read an article asserting that Palin abused her power. I'm not sure how something like this could have/would have gotten past McCain's people. Hmmm.

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison...the Palin issue about abusing her power is old news, they tried to bring this up a long time ago. Where have you been? Just another low tactic against the Republicans.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at midnight (Suggest removal)

I think these pictures support my views on liberals being the party of haters:

http://www.4strugglemag.org/images/colou...

http://jcrue.files.wordpress.com/2008/06...

http://sps.k12.mo.us/ghs/library/flag-bu...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Democrats are the party of hate

WHAT? Where? It's the Democratic party whose leaders get killed, the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King, the young people who went down south to try to register minority voters, the crazy radicals who thought ten-year-old boys should go to school instead of working in coal mines. Nobody hates like the people McCain was trying to pacify at his rally today. They're world class. They're two beers away from mayhem.
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Jeez Keta it would be nice if you knew something about history.

Those people were called democrats... It was DEMOCRATS who opposed the civil rights act.

Posted by CommonSense (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its not old news that Palin's been found guilty of abusing her power in office.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Civil Rights Act was finally passed because of the strong support of President Lyndon Johnson. Southern Democrats who were horrified at the idea of African Americans with rights of citizenship found a new home in the Republican party, where they remain to this day.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

noesis - I don't know where YOU studied history, but there were only a small number of democrats against the Civil Rights Act, most of them southern.

- side note- all of the southern republicans voted against the bill.

So next time you want to "school" someone on their history, it'd be more persuasive if you finished reading the chapter in YOUR history book and stop trying to rewrite history.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

commonsense - we know about palin. we were just keeping quiet so as not to upset the McBush camp.

Come Nov. 4th, she and the "First Dude" can get back to Alaska in time to fill their freezer with moosemeat and win more snow mobile races.

Posted by CommonSense (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ooops...sorry. I was just sitting here trying to get my head around how Democrats = Liberals = Hate. I get so confused, don't you?

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The way we go at it around here, its hard to remember which party I'm not, but that HATE thing snapped me right back. LOL

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There was so much love being spread around on here earlier I felt the need for another shower. LOL

Posted by Joseph_Benning (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 6:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cool post on Texas Darling blog:

As someone born in Ecuador with friends and relatives in Latin America, I’m terrified watching how people in the United States are being manipulated just like people in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador to put a Marxist in power.

The similarities between Rafael Correa’s campaign for president of Ecuador and that of Obama for U.S. president are amazing. Correa had no experience but was young, charismatic and had good speaking skills. Correa’s slogans were the same as Obama’s: CHANGE, YES WE CAN, etc.

Informed Ecuadorians were not able to convince their clueless compatriots that Correa was a fake and not the young and wonderful savior the media was portraying. They could not compete in ads with the millions Correa had (mostly from unknown sources).

Once he took over, Correa dissolved Congress and took control of the legislative and judicial powers. In other words, he became a dictator. Ecuadorians are poorer than ever. The CHANGE has been toward Marxism and greater poverty for all.
It’s now obvious that Correa works for Chávez and terrorists AGAINST the United States.

Most informed Ecuadorians, when they realized the similarities between Correa and Obama, felt confident that Americans could not be fooled as Ecuadorians had. However, it seems many Americans are as clueless as the poorest and most ignorant people in Ecuador or Bolivia.

I hope it’s not too late and Americans realize that Obama is a Marxists with ties to Islamic terrorists, just like Castro, Chávez, Morales, Correa and Odinga.

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10...

"Change" - Siren Song for the easily brainwashed.

Appeals Court approves of Chicago stealing Ohio Election.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl...

FIrst an unconstitutional transfer of power from legislative to executive branch which saddles us with tax debt beyond all belief. Sorry Obamaniacs, the rich aren't going to pay that $26.600.00 bailout tab for every man, woman and child in our country.

Second, judicial branch lets Chicago steal our election. No outrage, 'cause Chicago's stealing it for the Obamaniac's guy.

We are so screwed.

Posted by Joseph_Benning (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latest parrot points: McCain supporters mean, disrespectful, angry...

Timing to offset breaking news about Jodie Evans.

“102 Arrested After GOP Convention’s Third Night
snip

CodePink also took credit for disrupting Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s speech on Wednesday night. The group said two of its members were given tickets to the speech by a Republican delegate who was frustrated with the party and Palin.

The CodePink members, Medea Benjamin and Jodie Evans, were escorted from the Xcel Center after yelling and displaying a banner. They said they were held until after her speech but not arrested.”

http://www.newsmax.com/politics/cvn_conv...
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Jodie Evans?

TOP OBAMA CAMPAIGN FINANCIER WORKING WITH STATE SPONSORS OF TERRORISM TO UNDERMINE U.S.

A founding member of the campaign finance team of Democratic presidential nominee Illinois Sen. Barack Obama has been working with state sponsors of terrorism to undermine the United States in the global war on terror since at least February, 2003.

Jodie Evans, co-founder of the leftist anti-American group Code Pink...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news...

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Alison...the Palin issue about abusing her power is old news, they tried to bring this up a long time ago.

Slick--I was referring to something that had just come out an hour or so before....

I was supporting your girl, sort of. Pay attention!

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Benning, your laborious recounting of the political history of Ecuador isn't necessary. Besides, you're going to run out of evil dictators to compare Obama to at some point. Just tell these people that if Obama becomes president, they'll all have to wear turbans, or that he'll force us to be his slaves. That'll work fine. No need to reinvent the wheel here.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

commonsense - we know about palin. we were just keeping quiet so as not to upset the McBush camp.

MC--Oops--mea culpa. But seriously, wouldn't the McCain folks have figured it out and stayed away from her? They picked her anyway. I don't get it.

Posted by anotherview (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just think everyone should just stop and look at the world.
We really don’t know which candidate will do his job and the promises he makes.
But people, just think long and hard about how you vote in November. I know how I will vote, due to the fact I have seen how the government works and its not for the little people of the United States of America. They (government) only look and care about themselves and not the real issues and the laws of the land.
I’ve heard and read that a real citizen (in the Tri-State area) doing his job and lost his job for standing up for what his believes in and what was right. Now he and his family are paying the price. I believe this is the same, except, the shoe is on the other foot. I’m referring to the Palin situation. He is paying, why shouldn’t Palin. I see no difference.
I just hope that his situation will be resolved soon and they can get back to their normal lives, if they can.

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dang, I missed all the action

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Benning, your party chose McBush to lead their party. I know it must hurt to see your guy exhibit the disturbing, erratic behavior that he has during the campaign.

But I don't think its honorable to use the fear tactics you're introducing here. But, maybe thats all you have left. Your line "which saddles us with tax debt beyond all belief" is an example.

First, the Dumya tax cuts won't even expire until 2010, so you've got 2 years to search for a little tropical island where you can live without any taxes at all.

Second, the tax levels are just returning to where they were pre-Dumya. By the way, how did the rich use all that extra money? Dumya said they'd start/expand their businesses creating more jobs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics when Dumya took office unemployment was only 4%. As of 9/1 the unemployment rate is 6.1%. Nice job, Dumya.

The behavior of the rich only goes to show that greed breeds additional greed. But now the financial markets have reached a boiling point. Its not that the middle-class doesn't want to keep the rich wealthy. They simply don't have it anymore. The wealthiest 5% of people have sucked all the money the middle-class has. The middle-class are even being evicted from their homes. Its over! We want some of it back!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

House Of Lies: How Congress Failed To Protect Our Economy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Excuse me Neo ...

The two posts I just made were ON the economic crisis ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets talk more about the economy ....

When Democrats here attempt to blame McCain for not wanting to regulate ... what is really happening is their supporters are pointing the fingers right at the Democrats who voted against regulation ...

Senate Bill S.900

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act

This bill would have put strict regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Guess WHO voted FOR REGULATION!

Senator John McCain

Yes that is right Senator McCain voted for MORE regulation.

Don't believe me? Here are the websites and facts for you to read for yourself ....

Summary of the Bill

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd...

The Vote Record
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd...

Who voted against REGULATION?

Democrats

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok ... lets move on to Foreign Policy ... Neo ... do you wish to talk about that?

Who has been exposed for attempting to tried to Sway the Iraqis??

Anyone care to guess?

Senator Barack Obama

Read this Washington TImes Article

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets talk MORE about the economy Neo ...

See!! I am talking about the ECONOMY!!

The Real Culprits In This Meltdown

Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic financial turmoil on the market. But if it's dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx...

Open your eyes!! Read the Article ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More TALK ON THE ECONOMY!!

Obama's Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan

Barack Obama's tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. He also proposes a raft of tax credits that taxpayers can receive if they engage in various government-specified activities.

Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.

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Do you get this?? Do you really understand that Obama will RAISE the Marginal Tax rates for just about every federal tax!!!

What about those TAX CUTS HE PROMISED?

Those TAX CUTS ARE ONLY TAX CREDITS!!!

The tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.

DO YOU GET THIS? My and YOUR! Marginal Tax Rates will be RAISED Under Obama ... Then he will give that MONEY to people who pay NO TAXES!

This is not a TAX CUT - This is TAX WELFARE!!

See what the Wall Street Journal Says about it!! READ THE Article!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12191030...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Redistribution of Wealth

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, “How is your friend Audrey doing?”

She replied, “Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.”

Her wise father asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.”

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That wouldn’t be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!”

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “Welcome to the Republican party.”

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As predicted / nothing new...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

...So when you see the McCain camp, including posts that may come after this one, trying to change the topic from the fact that we're in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression right now...remember that it is because their candidate represents more of the same. When they try to pass the buck and place the blame on someone or something else besides the failed economic policies of Bush and McCain, just recognize it's because they are behind...they are desperate and they have no other options.

It's time for change. It's time to elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

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Well NEO! Your predictions were wrong !! Just like your prediction that Barack Obama will be elected president.

Yes it is TIME FOR Change!! It is time for some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY!

John McCain and Sarah Palin will bring that to Washington on inauguration day!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

”October Surprise” is Finally here

Must See Video ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtX...

Posted by camper (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I already have a cave picked out in case Obama takes office. I am already living on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at least 8 times a week with a glass of milk which I can not afford at almost $4 a gallon so most of the time I do not eat unless I have to.
I can not afford the gas to go back and forth to work, pay bills and buy food so I have to do what I can and it is just me I have no kids at home or anyone else to take care of.
I do not think it really matters who gets elected we are still screwed in my lifetime. I am at the point that either one will make our lives worse than what they are but I WILL NOT vote for OBAMA.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Black Republican Speaking Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl...

Very worth watching ....

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama says he never worked for ACORN ...

What about this ??

Barack Obama and ACORN Sued CitiBank For SubPrime Loans

Plaintiffs filed their class action lawsuit on July 6, 1994, alleging that Citibank had engaged in redlining practices in the Chicago metropolitan area in violation of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S.C. 1691; the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. 3601-3619; the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; and 42 U.S.C. 1981, 1982. Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. Plaintiffs sought injunctive relief, actual damages, and punitive damages.

Here are the court documents ...

http://clearinghouse.wustl.edu/detail.ph...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Judge orders Obama to produce birth certificate

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/dis...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John McCain vs. Barack Obama:

Look at the Records and Ignore the HYPE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqPhJ2dSY...

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is beginning to sound like one of those wingnut websites only true believers read, where they still beat that old Bill Clinton drum 24 hours a day.
The Acorn flap is a result of giving homeless people the opportunity to earn money by registering voters. They got paid per registrant, so some of the applications came back filled out by "Hedda Lettuce" and "Pep. E. Roni". Forms like these are quickly weeded out by elections boards, end of story. Some of those Justice Department firings involved attorneys who refused to make a mountain out of this molehill.
And it's pathetic to try to convince people that Democrats are at the root of this mortgage mess. The intervention with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac that McCain keeps claiming had nothing to do with bad mortgages. He was addressing an embarrassing accounting scandal that had become public, and citizens were demanding action.
Freddy and Fanny have never figured in my life at all, and we haven't had a mortgage in years. But because of legislation masterminded by Phil Gramm, McCain's economic guru, the rules that prevented banks from investing in risky schemes were lifted. Now my husband and I find that, after years of working hard and saving hard, a sizeable chunk of our net worth is invested in those bundled mortgages, the kind of investment that was illegal until Bush Administration cronies got to decide what's legal and what isn't. The mortgages aren't the problem - being able to unload the mortgages on unsuspecting citizens is the problem. Since so many people are terrified, you could call it terrorism.
And, for heaven's sake, Factcheck Bill Ayers and Obama. It'll take about 30 seconds.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jailed Obama Fundraiser Spills the Beans

Tony Rezko, who helped fund Barack Obama's early campaigns, was convicted in June of political corruption.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/11/...

If I was Barack Obama I would be a bit worried ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ahem ... Keta ...

Factcheck.Org

is an Obama propoganda machine ... no fact checking is going on there ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And it's pathetic to try to convince people that Democrats are at the root of this mortgage mess. The intervention with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac that McCain keeps claiming had nothing to do with bad mortgages. He was addressing an embarrassing accounting scandal that had become public, and citizens were demanding action.

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Yea Keta ... are you talking about Franklin Raines who was guilty of cooking the books to get his $90,000,000 ?? I typed all the zeros for dramatic affect.

Sorry Keta your post doesn't wash in the truth-o-meter ...

Those bundled mortgages you have invested in are the result of a social experiment gone bad ... call the Community Reinvestment Act ...

This really really really has nothing to do with Gramm and deregulation as you Dems like to harp on and point out all the time ....

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What did President Clinton have to say about the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act ?? He is the one that signed it into law ....

"I don't see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America, which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn't signed that bill. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I'd be glad to look at the evidence."

Did you catch what President Clinton said? The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act helped STABILIZE the current situation!

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Padanorr, you never disappoint. Explaining how wrong your broken-record excuses for the massive failures of the past eight years are is a full time job. I give up. But really...FactCheck keeps making McCain look bad, so FactCheck must be in the tank for Obama? Think about that for a minute.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like someone has had too much coffee!

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey padanorr, name ten positive things about the McCain platform
(without posting another link)

I'm curious.

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

seriously padanorr, all I see you post are attacks in one form or another

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1) McCain will lower taxes for all ... and support a tax policy that will enable this ecomomy to grow by creating jobs and encouraging entrepreneur to start new business

2) McCain will balance the budget before the end of his first term.

3) McCain will assist American's in the purchase of health care without creating a government run health care plan.

4) McCain's energy plan will reduce the cost of energy to American's.

5) McCain will reduce waste and pork in the Federal Budgets

6) McCain will put control of the government back where it belongs ... with the people ...

7) McCain will bring an end to the Iraq war in a manner that leaves the Iraqi people with a democratic country.

8) McCain will support legistlation to address Climate Change

9) McCain will protect this country against futher attack from Terrorists

10) McCain will secure the borders of the United States

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey michaelOH .... is that ENOUGH for you or shall I give you another 10?

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hank you padanorr
ANYTHING to get you out of your attack mode
ANYTHING

Posted by michaelOH (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

*THANK

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is the problem keta ... you always accept the Democrat talking points for fact ... instead of checking them out for yourself ...

Well ... did you know?

FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation

Of course I don't have to tell you all about the links between Obama and the Annenberg Foundation do I?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

michaelOH ... what YOU call attack mode ...

I call shining a light ...

You know that darkness doesn't like light ...

And when you shine the light on lies and deceit the darkness screams like a stuck pig ...

What happens when you shine a light in a dark room that is infested with roaches? They all run for cover ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

youbetcha!!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey MasterChef ... I don't drink coffee ... this is just a natural high ... no refer, no beans and burritos, no booze and definately no Obama ...

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't have to tell you about all the links between Obama and the Annenberg foundation do I?

Oh, Padanorr. Sigh. Let me tell YOU. Walter and Leonore Annenberg were the best friends of Ronald and Nancy Reagan. Nancy still vacations at a big honking estate they own, called Sunnylands. Their foundation funded a study of education reform, and the board it assembled included Barack Obama and a professor of education named Bill Ayers. I think this was around the time Ayers won his "Citizen of the Year" award in Chicago. When Obama began his senate campaign, Ayers and his wife served coffee and dessert to a group that gathered at their house to hear Obama speak. And...gasp... Ayers contributed a couple of hundred dollars to Obama's presidential campaign, probably a normal amount for a college professor. Pretty scary stuff.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dave, congratulations on your natural high! I hope it lasts for you.

I have a question for you or anyone else in the forum. There are no tricks involved.

As Americans we assume democracy is what EVERYone in the world should want. What about countries who are ok with their current government? Would it be ok for the Brittish military to invade a south African country for the purpose of imposing some form of democracy?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

... Southern Democrats who were horrified at the idea of African Americans with rights of citizenship found a new home in the Republican party, where they remain to this day.
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Wrong again Keta: Regardless of the power struggle within the Democratic Party concerning segregation policy, the South remained a strongly Democratic voting bloc for local, state, and federal Congressional elections. This was not true of Presidential elections.

And Keta, why would the democrats flock to the republicans? It was republicans who were for civil rights. It was democrats that were stalling and fillibustering.

Civil Rights act:
Passage in the House of Representatives:
The bill was reported out of the Judiciary Committee in November 1963, but was then referred to the Rules Committee, whose chairman, Howard W. Smith, a Democrat from Virginia, indicated his intention to keep the bill bottled up indefinitely.

Passage in the Senate

Johnson, who wanted the bill passed as soon as possible, ensured that the bill would be quickly considered by the Senate. Normally, the bill would have been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Senator James O. Eastland, Democrat from Mississippi. Under Eastland's care, it seemed impossible that the bill would reach the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield took a novel approach to prevent the bill from being relegated to Judiciary Committee limbo. Having initially waived a second reading of the bill, which would have led to it being immediately referred to Judiciary, Mansfield gave the bill a second reading on February 26, 1964, and then proposed, in the absence of precedent for instances when a second reading did not immediately follow the first, that the bill bypass the Judiciary Committee and immediately be sent to the Senate floor for debate. Although this parliamentary move led to a brief filibuster, the senators eventually let it pass, preferring to concentrate their resistance on passage of the bill itself.

The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the "Southern Bloc" of southern Senators led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. Said Russell "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states
On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation.

The original House version:[9]

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:[9]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

..So when you see the Obama camp, including posts that may come after this one, trying to change the topic from the fact that democrats are the cause of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression right now...remember that it is because their candidate represents more of the same. When they try to pass the buck and place the blame on someone or something else besides the failed domestic policies of Clinton, Dodd and Obama, just recognize it's because they are afraid..they are scared that you will find out the truth...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 8:02 p.m.

I don't have to tell you about all the links between Obama and the Annenberg foundation do I?

Oh, Padanorr. Sigh. Let me tell YOU. Walter and Leonore Annenberg were the best friends of Ronald and Nancy Reagan. Nancy still vacations at a big honking estate they own, called Sunnylands. Their foundation funded a study of education reform

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What education reform happened? None

keta .... Annenberg gave the money ... but it definately was not used for education reform ... it had to do more with indoctrination of young minds into the methods of political radicalism ...

The results of an August 2003 final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project by the Consortium on Chicago School Research "suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence."

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

noesis - I don't know where YOU studied history, but there were only a small number of democrats against the Civil Rights Act, most of them southern.

- side note- all of the southern republicans voted against the bill.

So next time you want to "school" someone on their history, it'd be more persuasive if you finished reading the chapter in YOUR history book and stop trying to rewrite history.
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What, all 11 of them lol

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Today, McCain-Palin 2008 released the following statement signed by 100 distinguished and experienced economists at major American universities and research organizations, including five Nobel Prize winners Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott, and Vernon Smith. The economists explain why Barack Obama's proposals, including "misguided tax hikes," would "decrease the number of jobs in America." The prospects of such tax rate increases under Barack Obama are already harming the economy. The economists conclude that "Barack Obama's economic proposals are wrong for the American economy." The proposals "defy both economic reason and economic experience."

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The full economists' statement on Barack Obama's economic proposals and a complete list of economists who support it follows:

Barack Obama argues that his proposals to raise tax rates and halt international trade agreements would benefit the American economy. They would do nothing of the sort. Economic analysis and historical experience show that they would do the opposite. They would reduce economic growth and decrease the number of jobs in America. Moreover, with the credit crunch, the housing slump, and high energy prices weakening the U.S. economy, his proposals run a high risk of throwing the economy into a deep recession. It was exactly such misguided tax hikes and protectionism, enacted when the U.S. economy was weak in the early 1930s, that greatly increased the severity of the Great Depression.

We are very concerned with Barack Obama's opposition to trade agreements such as the pending one with Colombia, the new one with Central America, or the established one with Canada and Mexico. Exports from the United States to other countries create jobs for Americans. Imports make goods available to Americans at lower prices and are a particular benefit to families and individuals with low incomes. International trade is also a powerful source of strength in a weak economy. In the second quarter of this year, for example, increased international trade did far more to stimulate the U.S. economy than the federal government's "stimulus" package.

Ironically, rather than supporting international trade, Barack Obama is now proposing yet another so-called stimulus package, which would do very little to grow the economy. And his proposal to finance the package with higher taxes on oil would raise oil prices directly and by reducing exploration and production.

We are equally concerned with his proposals to increase tax rates on labor income and investment. His dividend and capital gains tax increases would reduce investment and cut into the savings of millions of Americans. His proposals to increase income and payroll tax rates would discourage the formation and expansion of small businesses and reduce employment and take-home pay, as would his mandates on firms to provide expensive health insurance.

After hearing such economic criticism of his proposals, Barack Obama has apparently suggested to some people that he might postpone his tax increases, perhaps to 2010. But it is a mistake to think that postponing such tax increases would prevent their harmful effect on the economy today. The prospect of such tax rate increases in 2010 is already a drag on the economy. Businesses considering whether to hire workers today and expand their operations have time horizons longer than a year or two, so the prospect of higher taxes starting in 2009 or 2010 reduces hiring and investment in 2008.

In sum, Barack Obama's economic proposals are wrong for the American economy. They defy both economic reason and economic experience.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is beginning to sound like one of those wingnut websites only true believers read, where they still beat that old Bill Clinton drum 24 hours a day.
The Acorn flap is a result of giving homeless people the opportunity to earn money by registering voters.
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Very funny that the Liberal ACORN pays it's people by the number of voters it signs up... That's just asking for fraud. What happened to paying their workers a LIVING WAGE??? Start practicing what you preach!!!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In sum, Barack Obama's economic proposals are wrong for the American economy. They defy both economic reason and economic experience.

Robert Barro, Harvard University

Gary Becker, University of Chicago

Sanjai Bhagat, University of Colorado

Michael Block, University of Arizona

Brock Blomberg, Claremont-McKenna University

Michael Bordo, Rutgers University

Michael Boskin, Stanford University

Ike Brannon, McCain-Palin 2008

James Buchanan, George Mason University

Todd Buchholtz, Two Oceans Fund

Charles Calomiris, Columbia University

Jim Carter, Vienna VA

Barry Chiswick, University of Illinois at Chicago

John Cogan, Hoover Institution

Kathleen Cooper, Southern Methodist University

Ted Covey, McLean VA

Dan Crippen, former CBO Director

Mario Crucini, Vanderbilt

Steve Davis, University of Chicago

Christopher DeMuth, American Enterprise Institute

William Dewald, Ohio State University

Frank Diebold, University of Pennsylvania

Isaac Ehrlich, State University of New York at Buffalo

Paul Evans, Ohio State University

Dan Feenberg, NBER

Martin Feldstein, Harvard University

Eric Fisher, California Polytechnic State University

Kristin Forbes, MIT

Timothy Fuerst, Bowling Green State University

Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Hudson Institute

Paul Gregory, University of Houston

Earl Grinols, Baylor University

Rik Hafer, Southern Illinois University Edwardsville

Gary Hansen, UCLA

Eric Hanushek, Hoover Institutions

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kathleen Cooper, Southern Methodist University

Ted Covey, McLean VA

Dan Crippen, former CBO Director

Mario Crucini, Vanderbilt

Steve Davis, University of Chicago

Christopher DeMuth, American Enterprise Institute

William Dewald, Ohio State University

Frank Diebold, University of Pennsylvania

Isaac Ehrlich, State University of New York at Buffalo

Paul Evans, Ohio State University

Dan Feenberg, NBER

Martin Feldstein, Harvard University

Eric Fisher, California Polytechnic State University

Kristin Forbes, MIT

Timothy Fuerst, Bowling Green State University

Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Hudson Institute

Paul Gregory, University of Houston

Earl Grinols, Baylor University

Rik Hafer, Southern Illinois University Edwardsville

Gary Hansen, UCLA

Eric Hanushek, Hoover Institutions

Kevin Hassett, American Enterprise Institute

Arlene Holen, Technology Policy Institute

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain-Palin 2008

Glenn Hubbard, Columbia University

Owen Irvine, Michigan State University

Mike Jensen, Harvard University

Steven Kaplan, University of Chicago

Robert King, Boston University

Meir Kohn, Dartmouth

Marvin Kosters, American Enterprise Institute

Anne Krueger, Johns Hopkins University

Phil Levy, American Enterprise Institute

Larry Lindsey, The Lindsey Group

Paul W. MacAvoy. Yale University

John Makin, American Enterprise Institute

Burton Malkiel, Princeton University

Bennett McCallum, Carnegie-Mellon University

Paul McCracken, University of Michigan

Will Melick, Kenyon College

Allan Meltzer, Carnegie-Mellon University

Enrique Mendoza, University of Maryland

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jim Miller, George Mason University

Michael Moore, George Washington University

Robert Mundell, Columbia University

Tim Muris, George Mason University

Kevin Murphy, University of Chicago

Richard Muth, Emory University

Charles Nelson, University of Washington

Bill Niskanen, Cato Institute

June O'Neill, Baruch College, CUNY

Lydia Ortega, San Jose State University

Steve Parente, University of Minnesota

William Poole, University of Delaware

Michael Porter, Harvard University

Barry Poulson, University of Colorado, Boulder

Edward Prescott, Arizona State University

Kenneth Rogoff, Harvard University

Richard Roll, UCLA

Harvey Rosen, Princeton University

Robert Rossana, Wayne State University

Mark Rush, University of Florida

Tom Saving, Texas A&M University

Anna Schwartz, NBER

George Shultz, Stanford University

Chester Spatt, Carnegie-Mellon University

David Spencer, Brigham Young University

Beryl Sprinkle, Former Chair Council of Economic Advisers

Houston Stokes, University of Illinois in Chicago

Robert Tamura, Clemson University

Jack Tatum, Indiana State University

John Taylor, Stanford University

Richard Vedder, Ohio University

William B. Walstad, University of Nebraska

Murray Weidenbaum, Washington University in St. Louis

Arnold Zellner, University of Chicago

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

True, noesis. And it wouldn't even be worth the time posting if your written "attitude" would lighten up a little. We're talking mid-60's here. LOL

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta:...I think this was around the time Ayers won his "Citizen of the Year" award in Chicago...

Lets see what Ayers really thinks:

President Hugo Chavez, Vice-President Vicente Rangel, Ministers Moncada and Isturiz, invited guests,comrades. I’m honored and humbled to be here with you this morning. I bring greetings and support from your brothers and sisters throughout Northamerica. Welcome to the World Education Forum! Amamos la revolucion Bolivariana!

Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution...

...I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education...

...ountering the barrage of lies spread by the U.S. State Department and the corrupted North American media.

... “We can’t have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1,900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now.”

...Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions small and large. La educacion es revolucion!
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/11/0...

Now this was Obama's boss in the Chicago Annenburg Challenge where the two of them gave 100 million dollars to radical groups teaching Chicago's youngsters. Of course, Obama's ONLY executive experience ended in failure. You want Obama to lead our nation when he can't even lead kids to learn?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

True, noesis. And it wouldn't even be worth the time posting if your written "attitude" would lighten up a little. We're talking mid-60's here. LOL
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Tell that to Keta, she's the one that started the discussion by blaming all those assassinations on republicans.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mmmmmmmmmmmm

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey neo ....

What failed economic policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption are you talking about?

Lets get specific ... instead of posting Obama campaign rhetoric ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maxine Waters Caught Lying About Fannie Mae Ties on 'Real Time'

MOORE: You took money from the PAC.
WATERS: Wait just a minute, just a minute...
MOORE: ... and so did Barney Frank, and so did Chris Dodd.
WATERS: That is a lie and I challenge you...
MOORE: Okay.
WATERS: ...to find $15,000 that I took from Fannie PAC...

Center for Responsive Politics' OpenSecrets.org reported the following on September 11:

Name Office State Party Grand Total Total from PACs Total from Individuals

Waters, Maxine H CA D $17,800 $15,000 $2,800

As such, Moore was right, and Waters was lying through her teeth.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

waiting for neo to copy and paste his Obama campaign rhetoric ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

..So when you see the Obama camp, including posts that may come after this one, trying to change the topic from the fact that democrats are the cause of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression right now...remember that it is because their candidate represents more of the same. When they try to pass the buck and place the blame on someone or something else besides the failed domestic policies of Clinton, Dodd and Obama, just recognize it's because they are afraid..they are scared that you will find out the truth...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo ... I am planning a trip to Ironton ... perhaps we should meet at a neutral place and speak face to face?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:57 p.m.

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo .... you don't have it right ... Obama doesn't have it right .... and Obama will not be elected ...

your evening is yours to waste or not to waste ... but that doesn't change any of the facts ...

... and actually no ... I don't know what you are talking about ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes Neo ... that we will ... we definately will see ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am still waiting on those failed Bush policies Neo ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo, I'll go ahead and debunk this before you start trumpeting it:

Lefty bloggers fall for fake Palin SAT

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From England

Despite the ‘bunch of conservative businessmen and civic leaders’ on the Annenberg Challenge, which ran the school reform project, the Annenberg Challenge was Ayers’s baby. It actually diverted funds that were naively assumed to be going to bona fide education projects and channelled them instead into one radical group after another. That is the key point about the relationship with Ayers – that Obama’s own actions as a member of the Annenberg board were in concert with Ayers’ subversive world-view. Indeed, even more explosive new evidence is emerging about Obama’s links with the New Party, a radical left organization, established in 1992, to amalgamate far left groups and push the United States into socialism by forcing the Democratic Party to the left by ‘burrowing from within’...
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephilli...

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All I can figure out is that McCain's advisors keep forgetting that we live in the information age. There are 90 of those names, not 100, and eleven of them are McCain's own economic advisors, including his chief advisor. Why does this stuff keep happening? McCain should fire every single one of the idiots running his campaign, the one who suggested Sarah Palin, the one who had the bright idea of using Bill Ayers to try to promote the Obama/radical/terrorist idea, the one who ran around getting his co-worker's signatures on this list, all of them.
Padanorr, it's goofy to believe Walter Annenberg, endorsed training Illinois children to become wild-eyed radicals. And most of us would agree with Ayers's belief that the State Department tells lies, and you yourself are in total agreement with him on the subject of corruption in the media.
Your memory is as cloudy as your judgement. I didn't say Republicans were responsible for the assassinations of Democratic leaders. In response to the statement that Democrats are the party of hate, I pointed out that historically Democrats are the OBJECTS of hatred, the kind of hatred that led people to murder them. Pay attention.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who cares about a Palin SAT, fake or otherwise. She isn't the topic. As I've said...

...Barack Obama realizes the truth. He knows that it's time to turn the page on the failed economic policies of trickle down economics, deregulation and corruption. He knows that it's time to put the middle class first again.

So when you see the McCain camp, including posts that may come after this one, trying to change the topic from the fact that we're in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression right now...remember that it is because their candidate represents more of the same. When they try to pass the buck and place the blame on someone or something else besides the failed economic policies of Bush and McCain, just recognize it's because they are behind...they are desperate and they have no other options.

It's time for change. It's time to elect Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

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It is quite obvious that the Obama camp doesn't want to debate the issues ... like the economy ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 10:17 p.m.

Padanorr, it's goofy to believe Walter Annenberg, endorsed training Illinois children to become wild-eyed radicals

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I never said that Walter Annenberg endorsed training Illinios children to become wild-eyed radicals ...

I said that is what the money was used for ... nothing was said about Annenberg endorsing it ...

In addition the Chicago Annenberg Challenge ended in failure with all the money poured down a rats hole ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's quite obvious that Obama is doing a fine job of that on his own. That's why he's ahead in all of the polls and why he will be the next President of the United States.

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That is called being delusional ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by camper (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I already have a cave picked out in case Obama takes office. I am already living on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at least 8 times a week with a glass of milk which I can not afford at almost $4 a gallon so most of the time I do not eat unless I have to.
I can not afford the gas to go back and forth to work, pay bills and buy food so I have to do what I can and it is just me I have no kids at home or anyone else to take care of.
I do not think it really matters who gets elected we are still screwed in my lifetime. I am at the point that either one will make our lives worse than what they are but I WILL NOT vote for OBAMA.

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Neo ... did you see this post from Camper? What would you say to him? Would you just post the same Obama rhetoric?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo ... you are definately not taunting me ... I am confident in my beliefs ... to the point that I am willing to sit here and debate you over each and every Bush failed policy ...

Also very confident that McCain will be elected President ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 10:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, I think you already posted this but it needs repeating:

Sen. John McCain's 2006 demand for regulatory action on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have prevented current financial crisis, as HUMAN EVENTS learned from the letter shown in full text below.

McCain's letter -- signed by nineteen other senators -- said that it was "...vitally important that Congress take the necessary steps to ensure that [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac]...operate in a safe and sound manner.[and]..More importantly, Congress must ensure that the American taxpayer is protected in the event that either...should fail."

Sen. Obama did not sign the letter, nor did any other Democrat.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?i...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

keta ...

You didn't notice the five Nobel Prize winners Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott, and Vernon Smith?

Now I am not griping about the count ... the fact is ... there are distinguished economists that have come out and declared that Barack Obama's economic plan is going to be a train wreck ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes ... Noesis ... that letter has been talked about before ... but seems to be ignored and dismissed from the Obama camp ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 11, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes ... Noesis ... that letter has been talked about before ... but seems to be ignored and dismissed from the Obama camp
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Obama camp, liberals and the Mainstream Media. Can't let a little thing like facts get in the way of Obama's coronation.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama camp, liberals and the Mainstream Media. Can't let a little thing like facts get in the way of Obama's coronation.
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And you wonder why republicans are getting so upset? The truth is out there but the Mainstream Media refuses to cover it.

Posted by KY (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was there at SSU, all I have got to say is (HE ( OBAMA WILL OVER COME THE LIES THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE TELLING ON HIM). HE JUST KEEP GOING UP IN THE POLLS HE AHEAD OHIO AND WVA. AND CLIMBING UP IN KY. GO GO OBAMA THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Pad and Noesis.....Great posts as usual, backed up with facts and truths!!!!!!

Padanoor, I watched the "October Surprise" video, everyone should do the same. The Dems and "Lefties" included.
MC is right, you seemed like you drank some good caffeine...Just don't drink the kool-aid . lol

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey MC...What's up! Well, I have to dispute your post above, concerning who the majority was that voted against the civil rights. Noesis is right. Majority was democrats. Not trying to change history my friend. I recently took 3 semesters of African American History, I kept the books and referred back to them before I posted. Just so I back those comments with facts. lol Umm... You probably remember the history books we had in high school, way back huh? Yep, we were lucky to even know what the civil war was, plus anything else related to African American History. There wasn't any taught!!!! I believe I went to the same school as you. Looking back, it is shameful...
Have a good day MC.

Posted by SPIDER (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First, Obama's Mother was WHITE his Father was Black and he was raised by his WHITE Grandparents. The Board he served on with Ayers also had Regan Republicans on that Board. He is a Christin, and all he did for Acorn was a Lawyer when he got out of law school. Quit listening to right wing take show and get the straight facts. The reputation of America has been damaged by the lies and unlawfull acts of Bush and the Republcans to the rest of the World (there were no wepons of mass distruction) When Russia invaded Geogia what other nation stood with Bush? NONE. MCcain well he has been all over the place the last few weeks with his campain. He is no longer bringing up issues but lies the make you fear Obama. It's been 2 years since the campain began. As the song goes:if you don't know me by now you will never know me" or in Obama's case you don't want to know. We need change and Obama is our best hope. Question: are you better off now than you were 8 year ago. America is on life support and bleeding to death. Bush is responsible for the MURDER of over4200 American service men and women and over 100,000 IRAQ citizens. How many more must die for a lie. Stop this maddness and go after the people responsible for 911.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 12, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Slick77,

The lawsuit is real ... whether anything will come of it ... is another story ... but my point is ... if Obama has nothing to hide then produce the documents the courts have ordered ... then this issue goes away.

But as it stands now ... Obama is stonewalling ... and not producing the documents ... We are talking US Distric Count in Philadelphia ... this might go to the Supreme Court.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL, Palin has leagal issues? Lets review the verdict:

The two key findings are:

* Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides: The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.

*Although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.

So, the trust refers to "and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust." Was there any financial interest???Was there a "personal" interest... pretty thin there... Palin never requested that he fire the troopers, her husband and aides did and she told them to drop the matter... So what exactly did she do wrong again???

Lets look at the second paragraph... Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads. And did they say that is was the major cause of firing him... no, the report agreed that she had other reasons.. that "troopergate" was "likely" a CONTRIBUTING factor... The MAJOR reason she fired him was because he was going behind her back.

And Neo... think that the investigation being led by a democrat had anything to do with the firing? I know if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd dismiss the results if a republican was leading a probe of Biden.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can you say up by double digits.....I thought you could..Ha ha....He he......Laugh laugh.....Chuckle chuckle

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SPIDER, you let out some things... Like how Obama was mentored by Frank... Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank." In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature.

Obama traveled to Pakistan when he was 20 using an Indonesian passport. It was illegal for American citizens to travel to Pakistan during that time period. Why did he go, why doesn't he talk about it? Is he still an Indonesian citizen?

While Obama’s Acorn connection has not gone entirely unreported, its depth, extent, and significance have been poorly understood. Typically, media background pieces note that, on behalf of Acorn, Obama and a team of Chicago attorneys won a 1995 suit forcing the state of Illinois to implement the federal “motor-voter” bill. In fact, Obama’s Acorn connection is far more extensive. In the few stories where Obama’s role as an Acorn “leadership trainer” is noted, or his seats on the boards of foundations that may have supported Acorn are discussed, there is little follow-up.

Obama’s ties to Acorn — arguably the most politically radical large-scale activist group in the country — are wide, deep, and longstanding. If Acorn is adept at creating a non-partisan, inside-game veneer for what is in fact an intensely radical, leftist, and politically partisan reality, so is Obama himself. This is hardly a coincidence: Obama helped train Acorn’s leaders in how to play this game. For the most part, Obama seems to have favored the political-insider strategy, yet it’s clear that he knew how to play the in-your-face “direct action” game as well. And surely during his many years of close association with Acorn, Obama had to know what the group was all about.

In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards.
Turns out that Obama WAS a member of the Socialist New Party...

Then there was Ayers and his radical revolutionary ideas...

Wright with his hate whitey black liberation theology...

Starting to get the picture????

Obama... A Communist with a small (c)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 8:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can you say up by double digits.....I thought you could..Ha ha....He he......Laugh laugh.....Chuckle chuckle
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How is 7.3% a double digit lead?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Palin has very real legal issues on the table and these have been reported on extensively. Now, aside from some vast left-wing media conspiracy, I'd expect to have heard at least one word on it if there's any true legal matter confronting Senator Obama.
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LOL, like they've reported that he belonged to the Socialist New Party??? Or how about the fact that he illegally traveled to Pakistan when he was 20??? Has he ever renounced his Indonesian citizenship? That he LIED on his partial birth abortion record???

Why is the MSM so silent on these issues?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo, I'm not the New World Order fanatic, that's your cup of tea. I'm just stating facts.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets review what Obama said during a democratic debate: Obama described Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood."

While that statement surely is true, wouldn't you agree that he lied by omission?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL... I read that Newsweek article... the guy must be drowning he's so far in the tank for Obama...:

Even the description of Ayers as a "terrorist" is a matter of interpretation. Setting off bombs can fairly be described as terrorism even when they are intended to cause only property damage, which is what Ayers has admitted doing in his youth. But for nearly three decades since, Ayers has lived the relatively quiet life of an educator. It would be correct to call him a "former terrorist," and an "unapologetic" one at that.

First of all, people were killed in the bombings... and when Ted Bundy was in prison... since he was no longer killing people, did we call him a "former" mass murderer?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 5:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Neo, You left this part out... "A spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, Maria Comella, said the state paid for Palin's travel and meals on that trip, and for other meetings with Christian groups, because she and her family were invited in their official capacity as Alaska's first family."

and this...

"Experts say those trips fall into an ethically gray area, since Democrats and Republicans alike often visit religious venues for personal and official reasons."

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 13, 2008 at 5:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes good thing we have Fox News because other sources of news forgot what journalism is all about. They forgot about the roots of the press in the forming of this nation. They forgot that their job was to look out for the masses, to warn them, instead they blindly or not so blindly follow the new messiah and are leading the American way of life down a path of destruction. They don't look out for the good of others, but use their power for the good of themselves. Yes, good thing we have Fox news because eventually the mighty dollar will take over, adverstisers will jump ship, and outlets that don't report the news but rather try to make it up will end up in the garbage basket where they belong ...

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It must be really frustrating for some of you--what it boils down to is we are supposed to assume Obama is lying.

That is what you really want this to be---the evil socialist is lying, and we, the super-Americans, are telling the truth and everybody else is stupid.

I'm sick of politicians who, instead of answering questions, go on their "we're hard working, so everything is going to be okay" riff. That will get a country through a few hundred years.

Adults know that life isn't like that--I know people who have worked hard with all of their hearts, and did nothing but make their holes bigger.

This country is a big kid now; adults know better. I don't want to hear the "everything is going to be okay because we're us" crap. Every great civilization in the history of the world has (probably) believed that.

Everytime McCain/Palin talks down to me in that manner, I feel that this country is heading nowhere. That's why I'm voting Democrat this year.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 13, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

With all due respect AlisonMiller I DO NOT want you to assume Obama is lying. I want you to go out and find out for yourself who is telling the truth and who is lying.

Look at Obama's Tax plan and compare it to what he is saying ... then come back and tell me if Obama is NOT lying.

If you want a country where work is discouraged and we have a huge welfare state at the cost of the middle class then vote for Obama.

If you want a country where work is encouraged and you will not be taxed to death then Vote for McCain.

It is really that cut and dry on most of the issues, not only taxation.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

slick, I'll compromise. It was mainly the southern Dems against the CRA, but without Johnson and the rest of the sane dems, it wouldn't have gotten a sniff of a vote. So, yeah, initial kickback was dems, but it was still dems that passed it. (and all 11 southern repubs voted AGAINST it). I don't think it was so much political as it was geographical.

But, alas, times have changed (somewhat). Even though I strongly support (President) Obama, I do worry for his safety.

At least you and I can have a conversation, instead of a copy-and-paste battle :)

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I find it humorous that the conservatives want to blame CONGRESS. For 2 years, we've heard nothing from the conservative talkers that this Congress has done nothing. Now, they've gone from doing NOTHING, to passing all sorts of legislation that has doomed the economy.

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey MC... thanks for the compromise...unlike some others. lol Yes, I agree, times have changed. If Obama does get elected I'm sure the Secret Service will triple for him. Unfortunately, there are still many racists and haters out there. Even though I will not be voting for him, I do not wish harm or death. p.s. lol yep, too many posts for me. I like and enjoy the real conversations from us "everyday" citizens. Have a good day|!

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

slick, I do enjoy talking with you. The "guys" aren't. btw, good luck finding our "friend" a place to live. I've been looking for several days. Its drought season in the rental mkt., but we have a boston terrier in the house

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i see they're having a meet-and-greet for the GOP. Are you going?

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 15, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Are you better off today than you were yesterday?

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 15, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about McBush's idea of taking vets straight from the battlefields and putting them in classrooms?????

Considering the high number of vets returning with PTSD I don't think thats such a good idea. It was intended as a good soundbite, certainly not well thought-out.