Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here goes Rick Greene, setting up an Obama loss by blaming racism again. You should have just reprinted last Thursdays column, for it was the exact same thing.

I wonder how many votes McCain is going to get in south central L.A.?

People like Rick Greene don't want you to vote on the issues, they want to make you feel guilty for years of oppression so you'll vote for Obama.

And did you ever think, maybe McCain's ideas on what to do with coal may have something to do with him possibly winning that region in PA? No, no way this area could vote for McCain because he would help them more, they are just racists.

Mike Caldwell does a pretty good job with the Tribune, but I can't wait for the day that Rick Greene is dismissed or moves to another job. He's a mini Jim Crawford in training.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here you are again spewing your own racist double talk Vile. If you can't say anything positive about African Americans.......Won't you just Shut Up!

And while your at it. Eat a bean

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am voting FOR Barack Obama, and not AGAINST John McCain.

Barack Obama has talked about issues. He has not brought race up in his campaign. Pundits have; and racists certainly have. That has been seen by the amount of racist emails I receive daily; and it's seen from some (a very small minority) of those attending McCain's rallies.

It's fun for me, when someone around here, tells me they're not voting for Senator Obama because of his positions. I ask them to name ONE position, and they CANNOT.

Racism, either bluntly or blindly, exists in America. There's no getting around that.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Racism is still rampant, but its a two-way street. I don't like to admit it but its true. Locally, look how things blew up over a WHITE office dragging a BLACK man under a car. It was much more than an officer dragging a man.

But I don't agree with Greene's "That is that tolerance is more difficult to find in areas where there are lower levels of educational attainment." That is down right insulting and I think Rick owes the area a front page apology. There are plenty of well-educated racists in this area as well as the entire U.S. But for Rick to try to pin racism on the lower educated...thats just unacceptable.

The bottom line is you can't legislate racism away, just as you can't fight the war on terror with bullets and hope to win.

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One issue that greatly turns me off to Obama is how he voted to kill babies that survived abortions. I'm also not a fan of his economic plans and his healthcare plans.

Shooter, I am a racist because I challenge Rick Greene for calling us all racists? He did that last week in his column, and he's alluding to it again with Pennsylvania voters. I stated the issue that may sway them to vote McCain, coal, yet I guess in some way that is racist also.

Are there white people who will not vote for Obama because he is black? Of course there is, but there are black people registering to vote just so they can vote for a black man, and that's racist too.

Hopefully the folks voting based on race are few and far between and don't skew our political landscape.

How can we become that grand old melting pot when irresponsible people with newspaper columns like Rick Greene keep fueling the fire of racism?

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo, I don't put any credence in polls. If we trusted what the polls said, we'd have completely different elected officials nine times out of ten.

I've participated many times in telephone polls, and it is easy to say you are an 'undecided voter' when in fact you have made up your mind.

Posted by Writeon (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi Vil! Good shot.

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When does life begin?

Actually read Roe v. Wade and you'll see that is the central question of the case.

Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is it possible to be anti abortion and anti Iraq War? because I am. I think the war was a bad idea. I supported going after terrorists in Afghanistan to destroy camps and at least try to slow it down.

I own it Neo. I own that I believe abortion is killing your baby, and that killing adults is wrong too.

Can you rule out that Obama will not send our troops into battle, where deaths will occur? your candidate would not take that option off the table, not if he swears to protect and defend the Constitution.

so please do not attempt to stereotype all Republicans, as I don't Democrats!!

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is rather simple, neo. An unborn child can't protect itself, while a full grown human out of the womb can.

Example time: Neo, I walk up to you and lunge at you with a knife. You can move out of the way. You can even defend yourself by hitting me, or you can turn and run to protect yourself. A baby in the womb doesn't get the luxury of getting out of the way and running.

osu, my problem with Obama is that he believes the baby that is born during a botched abortion and survives for 40 minutes with no medical treatment should be thrown in a garbage can and left for dead. Any person who believes that is heartless, evil, and has no soul.

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know what you're talking about "botched abortions" and I'm sure it is just a term meant to divide us. But it's not working this time.

My problem with McCain is that he says he's "pro-life," yet at the same time he cuts funding for health care for poor children; he wanted to eliminate Medicare; doesn't see the point of Medicaid; wants to start wars with AFghanistan and possibly Russia.

"Pro-life" doesn't mean to stop supporting life at birth.

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, I will explain.

While in the Illinois Senate, Obama voted for a bill that would refuse medical treatment to babies that survived attempted abortions. These babies were born during the procedure or right after the procedure and did not die. There is record of one nurse picking a living breathing newborn out of the trash and rocking it for 40 minutes before it died. The baby was denied medical treatment because the pathetic piece of excrement with a medical license did not have to treat it since it was an abortion.

Obama voted against Illinois Senate bills to protect these living and breathing babies that were born 4 times.

I've got a toddler and newborn at home, so this is a very emotional subject for me.. Obama is a monster and supports the killing of babies. How any decent person can support a monster like that confuses me.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Besides, Obama explained the "aborted baby lives" position last night. A law already entered on the books in Illinois already provided for prudent care in those situations and the Illinois group of doctors (forgot name), but the big group of the doctors backed Obama's position.

Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know, Clinton came in wanting to spend this, expand this, provide national health care, and the deficit stopped him. Obama may have grandiose plans for saving us from ourselves, but he will also be handicapped by a worsening economy. He refuses to say what he will cut, but cut he will.

and as far as disdaining the possibility of McCain's sending troops overseas, name me the last president who DIDN'T send troops into harm's way. Mr. Perfect Obama is no exception. Name one.

Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, Obama is a prudent, by the book kind of guy. But wouldn't it have been nice if he'd voted for it anyway just out of compassion for those dying babies.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vil said: It is rather simple, neo. An unborn child can't protect itself, while a full grown human out of the womb can.

Example time: Neo, I walk up to you and lunge at you with a knife. You can move out of the way. You can even defend yourself by hitting me, or you can turn and run to protect yourself. A baby in the womb doesn't get the luxury of getting out of the way and running.

Vil, you must be brain dead on at least one side. The example you used....lets make you the targot of a Patriot Missile and see how well your butt can run to protect yourself.

There is NO excuse to stay in Iraq. Sadam is gone. Killing innocents is killing innocents whether in the womb or in a country that did NOT declare war.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cashmere, Obama has NEVER said he would not use military force when necessary. He just prefers to "give peace a chance". Conversation doesn't cost lives.

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, yes. The record of the "nurse." I remember seeing her on the news. And her co-workers called her a liar. She wasn't even working that day.

I suppose, Vil, you think it's right to kill innocent Iraqi children because they are some sort of "collateral damage?"

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And what does the malarky about abortion have to deal with racism, which is what this article is about anyway?

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vile this was two posts you made today with racial overtones the first being your comment about the SPBoE.
Everyone check his comment on the letter about SPBoE, and decide who's a racist

P.S. EAB

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, I can't call him what he is because I'd be banned.

About SPBoE, I know ALL the state tests showed Burlington Elementary consistantly opening a can of whoop (is arse ok to use?). The one to watch in that district is Mark Christian. He's bringing GOOD things to the district. If I had a school age child, s(he) would go to South Point.

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shooter must not be able to read, because in the story of the SPBoE, I was defending the residents of Burlington. My mom taught at that school for many many years, and the people at SP #2 always snubbed their noses at the Burlington kids because they were poor and black. The people complaining about redistricting don't want their kids moved from SP#2 to Burlington Elementary because of race and economic status of most of the students, tell me what is not wrong with that.

MC is right. mark Christian has done wonders for the South Point schools and he is a good man.

osu, neo asked someone not voting for Obama to give a reason. I gave one of my reasons, which happens to be the abortion issue. That's how we got there and I'd gladly like to change the subject from that.

Posted by psycmeistr (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why is the notion that Obama's politics and socialist views, not race, never enteretained as a reason for not voting for him. Why must a "no" vote for Obama be automatically predicated with having to do with race?

To label others as racist in a blanket fashion as does Murtha (and by extension, Mr. Greene, by calling Murtha "honest,") IMO, is a projection of one's faults.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 6:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nobody hates the idea of abortion more than I do, but when Vil and people like him say "Obama supports the killing of babies", it makes me feel hopeless about living in southeastern Ohio. He or she probably really thinks that, and that's what Rick Greene was writing about today. Under the constitution, all citizens have the same rights. If Vil is a he, he needn't worry about ever being in a position where he can't receive treatment that would save his life after an accident, or during an illness, because he has a fetus on board. If Vil is a she, she now has a choice - save the baby, or live to go home and raise the rest of her kids. It's a terrible choice, but it's a choice, and if somebody else makes it for her, there's no equal justice under the law. Obama is more than willing to ban partial birth abortion, with an exception for the mother's life and health, because to do otherwise is to further shred the constitution. It's already in tatters after eight years of Bush and Cheney. One of the things I like most about Obama is that he was a professor of constitutional law. I'm a big fan of the constitution, and I'm looking forward to having a president who feels the same way. Last night, McCain acted as though the health of the mother didn't mean anything at all. Weird, for someone who needs women's votes as badly as McCain does.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta you have a way with words, I admire that. Vile you don't have that way with words. Thats why you come off as a racist. Never have I heard that village people don't want their kids to go to school with "black kids who have no money". Even if this is what you think, you should not post it on the Tribs comment page.

And while your at it Eat a bean

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by osu:..."My problem with McCain is that he says he's "pro-life," yet at the same time he cuts funding for health care for poor children"
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Oh stop it, he did not!!! He voted on EXPANDING the number of children covered:

The bill, which would cost $35 billion over five years, is meant to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program to provide coverage to an additional 10 million children.

Bush said he vetoed the bill because he considered it a step towards "federalizing" medicine and an inappropriately expanding the program's goal beyond its original focus on helping poor children.

Expanding the program to cover children in families up to 400 percent of the poverty line would an "unfunded liability," the Arizona Republican said. "Just like the Medicare prescription drug program."

I wish you guys would start using some facts instead of spouting your typical lies.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Besides, Obama explained the "aborted baby lives" position last night. A law already entered on the books in Illinois already provided for prudent care in those situations and the Illinois group of doctors (forgot name), but the big group of the doctors backed Obama's position.
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If that law was on the books, why were the kids still being thrown on the trash heap alive?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Neo, Don't know who he is... besides, I just have to use Obama's own words and deeds (what few he has) against him.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:37 p.m.

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo, actually the "redistribution" of our tax dollars is more of a loan. The government now owns stock in those banks. Sort of like when we loaned money to the car companies of the savings and loans. Both those previous "redistribution's" made money for the government.

The democrats also believed that this would make money for the government. That is why they tried to get a portion of the profits to be distributed to Acorn.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Scooter, why do so many blacks (as indicated by the Stern interview) only vote for him because he's black?? Isn't that also racist?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, should have read:

Sort of like when we loaned money to the car companies and the savings and loans

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, I don't know how you come up with the absolute CRAP you do, or is it all just a small part of the RNC Crap Factory from inside the beltway.

There have never been ANY babies, alive, or otherwise thrown on the trash heap alive. If a doc was attempting an abortion and the baby was born alive, he is duty bound by ethics AND Illinois state law to make every effort to sustain that child's life. Should he fail the body must be forwarded to the coroner and a death certificate issued.

Now use your own head for a moment. IF through some terrible circumstance a baby's body was found, it wasn't put there by the doc or the staff. There's a simple way for the coroner to know if the baby ever drew breath. Besides, pics like those would have gone for 50K+ from a rag like the Enquirer.

I'd be more suspitious of the body being a "plant" to frame the doc. Now, hmmmm...who would want an abortion doc framed?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo:
Thanks Mr. Bush! Thanks for those great economic policies that made this all possible.
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Actually, I think I'll stick with Clinton on this one Neo when he said that it was democrats who fought regulating Freddie and Fannie and getting us into this crisis.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo: The most appropriate thing to describe how utterly disgusted and disappointed I was after viewing the video is this. It left me speechless.
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Is that the video that talks about how Obama traveled to Pakistan under an Indonesian passport?

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

,..... The article above by R. Greene should not have been printed in today's paper. It just doesn't hold true in many ways. There are many racists in this country, small towns, big cities, etc....
It shouldn't have been printed because it is an emotional subject which only adds to the hostile environment and heated atmosphere with the election. I'm not saying that it should not be addressed, but this is not the time, to add division among us to a greater degree. Racism keeps on rearing its ugly head everyday in some form or another. We should all work towards a solution. The article does not contribute in a positive way.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, I don't know how you come up with the absolute CRAP you do, or is it all just a small part of the RNC Crap Factory from inside the beltway.
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You know, I wonder why you guys never use Google before making truly stupid statements. Your ignorance MC is truly astounding.

A Florida baby who was born and died in an abortion clinic will finally be buried today in Ft. Lauderdale.

Cheryl Sullinger of Operation Rescue explains the African-American baby named Shanice Denise Osbourne was born alive two years ago at an abortion clinic. Christian Newswire reports that Shanice's mother went to the clinic after experiencing some discomfort, and the clinic staff decided to deliver the baby. When Shanice was born, her mother noticed her gasping for air for nearly five minutes while the clinic staff panicked. Abortionist Belkis Gonzales then put the baby in a biohazard bag and put her on the clinic's roof "to conceal her body from police." Allegedly, there was no attempt to save Shanice's life.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Defaul...

A New Low in Heartlessness
September 29, 1999
BY DENNIS BYRNE SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

The argument that abortion doesn't kill a "person" centers on the assertion that a fetus isn't a person until it is born.

So what do you call an abortion procedure in which the fetus is born alive, then is left to die without medical care? Infanticide? Murder?

Most people would recoil at just the thought of such a gruesome, uncaring procedure, but it is practiced at at least one Chicago suburban hospital. When I called Christ Hospital and Medical Center in Oak Lawn, I frankly expected a denial that it uses the procedure, but instead a spokeswoman explained it is used for "a variety of second-trimester" abortions when the fetus has not yet reached viability. That's up to 23 weeks of life, when a fetus is considered not yet developed enough to survive on its own.

Instead of medical care, the child is provided "comfort care," wrapped in a blanket and held when possible. The procedure is chosen by parents and doctors instead of another method in which the fetus is "terminated" within the womb by, for example, injection with a chemical that stops the heart. Under Christ Hospital's procedure, which the spokeswoman said is used at some other area hospitals, the abortion is induced with prostaglandin, a drug that relaxes the cervix and allows for the fetus to be born. http://www.geocities.com/stgeoprolife/ad...

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

neo, shooter, vil, osu, and keta.....As usual, you all just don't get it on the abortion thing.
Keta, It would be different if the woman's choice in the accident scenario was the reason for most abortions, but that isn't true. Maybe 1% if that. 99% of abortions, killing unborn children are because of birth control, and because it is convienient. Or in other words the child would be an inconvienience. Abortion is a cowardly way out. That is the real issue. Not for the 1% of accidents, or life of the mother, etc... those are rare.

Cashmere, Noesis, Vil, and Writeon.....Good posts as usual, I learn a lot from you guys, or gals, Thanks, keep up the good comments! Facts, facts, and more facts.

Posted by Slick77 (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MasterChef....Wow, it's a brutal night for you huh??? Did you not have your popcorn? Noesis backed his statement with a credible article. He posted it so you could see the real truth. Not an RNC Crap factory. I know for a fact that Noesis researches his material and comments.

:)

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have no right to tell a woman what to do with regards to her body. I'm not for late term abortion, except when the mothers life is at risk. This is the 21st century and we have many forms of birth control. Please people use them and lets stop these unwanted pregnancys thus reducing abortions.

Then afterwards Eat a bean

Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know this is a late response to Neo, but I agree Clinton presided over the big peacetime expansion. some of that was from policies getting off the ground before he was elected, and then, and I give this to Clinton, he opted for conservative financial policies rather than listen to libs on his staff who wanted to spend on government programs. with the end of the cold war, he decided to cut defense spending, and welfare benefits in 96. My point being that Obama will have the same dilemma,if elected. listen to his libs on staff and spend, or try to get us out of this mess. I don't think he will have a lot of choices.

and while the pollsters may have called it. watch the rural vote. It is always underpolled, for many reasons.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL, thanks Slick... the funny thing about liberals... if they don't like the truth, they'll attempt to smear the messenger, call him/her a Bush plant, a Rovian trick anything so they won't have to deal with the truth. Have you seen the wrath that "Joe the plumber " has brought down by the liberal smearmisters for questioning their Messiah?:

So, Joe the Plumber. If you are too damned stupid to understand how Obama benefits you much more than McCain, then throw the American dream away and vote for McCain.

Sorry, I know this is stereotyping but he looks jackbootish to me...

Have we found out yet that McCain paid this goof to ask Obama about his taxes? If so, I missed it so far. If not, I would not be surprised if we hear about that shortly.

Joe the Plumber was a republican plant. OBVIOUS. Cameras ready. Gotcha moment. Then use in debate. Toss "joe" (wow, another Joe, how curious) on the day after morning shows. Nearly perfect ....... but too obvious. Joe listens to way too much talk radio. Too many rw talking points.

The IRS, the FBI, and the FTC should be checking into this guy.

This guy Joe may regret his 15 minutes of fame. Most of us have skeletons in the closet. Does he really want his revealed?

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What I'm saying is I am pro-choice, its her choice, and hers alone. Not mine, not yours and certainly not the gov'ts. Lets not move back, but move forward.

And while I finish this beer you all can Eat a bean

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

slick, in Noesis first article he picked one from FLORIDA, which happened long AFTER Obama left the ILLINOIS statehouse. That article has NOTHING to do with Obama, his beliefs, or even his state.

As for the 2nd article, check the dateline. Slick, you're good...real good. But this time the mighty Noesis has fallen.

Now, we're never going to agree on presidents. We know that. But "know-it-alls" like Noesis are dangerous.

Slick, if I even thought for ONE moment that Obama was pro-abortion, I'd have a McBush sticker soooo fast. Uh, no I wouldn't. In 2000 McCain was pro-choice.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have no right to tell a woman what to do with regards to her body. I'm not for late term abortion, except when the mothers life is at risk. This is the 21st century and we have many forms of birth control. Please people use them and lets stop these unwanted pregnancys thus reducing abortions.

Then afterwards Eat a bean
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Scooter, I agree with you.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, I don't know how you come up with the absolute CRAP you do, or is it all just a small part of the RNC Crap Factory from inside the beltway.

There have never been ANY babies, alive, or otherwise thrown on the trash heap alive
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MC NOW you are redefining when NEVER is??? You said it never happened and I just proved it did... WHILE Obama was an Illinois Senator.

Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and a woman has no right to make me pay for her abortion, or make me listen to her rationalization of it. All acts have consequences. If a woman can live with that, that is her business.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A New Low in Heartlessness
September 29, 1999
BY DENNIS BYRNE SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
When I called Christ Hospital and Medical Center in Oak Lawn, I frankly expected a denial that it uses the procedure, but instead a spokeswoman explained it is used for "a variety of second-trimester" abortions when the fetus has not yet reached viability.

So, this article written about a Chicago hospital was written in 1999.

When was Obama a Illinois senator?

State legislator, 1997–2004

Who has fallen MC??? Jeez, it's like shooting fish in a barrel!!!

Posted by cashmere (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

just saw a gallup poll of likely voters, Obama 47, McCain, 45.

oh, that can't be right, from everything I read here...I thought they were just going to call off the elections and go with polls. Just cancel elections in the states we KNOW Obama is going to win from all these 14 point spread polls...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neosis. I stand behind my statement. In BOTH stories the baby was not thrown alive ANYWHERE. In your first story, comfort care was given to a fetus that COULD NOT survive on its own. Even then, the doc AND parents agreed. Had the doc tried to save the baby, it would have put the parents through hell while still in the hospital, the hospital bill alone would have surely bankrupted the parents, or, which social program would you suggest the parents and doctor use to cover a bill over $100K?

The second story, you didn't cite Florida law, so your article is worthless on the legality. However the doctor and staff were probably guilty of malpractice and failure to report a death, and other charges. But, again, what the hell does this have to do with Obama. Its just your Rove (yep, I said it) way of spreading foundless fear and hatred.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK. Polls and elections. Doesn't it bother anyone that networks start calling elections as soon as the first eastern states' polls close? What's it like for the voter in central or Pacific time zone to hear the contest called before he even gets to the polls.

I'd favor a plan where all ballot boxes, etc. are returned to the BoE, kept under lock & key, and no votes may be counted until the last precinct in the nation is closed.

So, the networks have to wait.....they've waited a year and a half.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The second story, you didn't cite Florida law, so your article is worthless on the legality.
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What the h*ll are you talking about Florida law... the second story talked about Chicago hospitals and allowing babies to die. This has to do with Obama because you guys were stating that there WAS a law already on the books saying that born alive infants had to be given treatment... the second story proves it wasn't effective.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Scooter asked me to field this one,
Necrosis, I wouldn't call it racist, rather the smart thing to do. If I were african american I too would be for a inteligent person of youth, of the same race to be president. Now isn't that the smart thing and not racist?

Now can't we all just Eat a bean.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Racism's ugly head?" Is that when someone in the majority group behaves as if they're entitled to say or do anything they want, even if it is offensive. Or...is it when someone draws attention to the fact they're doing it??
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Or how about saying McCain's a racist for tying Obama to Ayers... or saying McCain's a racist for talking about Wright... or... hey, if you don't vote for Obama... you're a racist!!!

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I like beer, does anybody else? Now tell the truth.

And eating beans

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Collagen is the gelatinous substance found in connective tissue,
bone and cartilage. Nick Thimmesch's syndicated column, "Our Grisly
Human Fetal Industry" documents that amniotic fluid and collagen can
come from fetal material, since the Food and Drug Administration does
not require pretesting or the identification of cosmetic ingredients.
. A glance through a local drug store revealed that the leading 12
shampoos and five hand creams all contained collagen.
. Check your beauty products and you may be shocked! Unless your
beauty product specifies animal collagen or bovine collagen, the
product probably contains human collagen. The drug company should be
challenged at once. Even collagen taken from a human placenta raises
questions about respect of life and ownership of the placenta.
. A letter from Mary Kay Cosmetics emphasizes that their collagen
all comes from animals. A similar letter from Hask has also been
received.
. Since there are 1.5 million abortions every year, there is an
abundant source of fetuses for commercial use.
. There's triple profit to be had. The first is from the abortion
(estimated at a half billion dollars a year by Fortune magazine). The
second profit comes from the sale of aborted babies' bodies. The
third profit is from unsuspecting customers buying cosmetics.
. Babies' bodies are sold by the bag, $25 a batch or up to $5500 a
pound. The sale of later-term elective abortions at D.C. General
Hospital brought $68,000 between 1966 and 1976. The money was used to
buy a TV set and cookies and soft drinks for visiting professors.
http://www.skepticfiles.org/mys2/deadbab...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My bad. I had the stories reversed. A Florida baby who was born and died in an abortion clinic will finally be buried today in Ft. Lauderdale.

Cheryl Sullinger of Operation Rescue explains the African-American baby named Shanice Denise Osbourne was born alive two years ago at an abortion clinic. Christian Newswire reports that Shanice's mother went to the clinic after experiencing some discomfort, and the clinic staff decided to deliver the baby. When Shanice was born, her mother noticed her gasping for air for nearly five minutes while the clinic staff panicked. Abortionist Belkis Gonzales then put the baby in a biohazard bag and put her on the clinic's roof "to conceal her body from police." Allegedly, there was no attempt to save Shanice's life.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Defaul......
Neosis. I stand behind my statement. In BOTH stories the baby was not thrown ALIVE ANYwhere. In your second story, comfort care was given to a fetus that COULD NOT survive on its own. Even then, the doc AND parents agreed. Had the doc tried to save the baby, it would have put the parents through hell while still in the hospital, the hospital bill alone would have surely bankrupted the parents, or, which social program would you suggest the parents and doctor use to cover a bill over $100K?

The first story, you didn't cite Florida law, so your article is worthless on the legality. However the doctor and staff were probably guilty of malpractice and failure to report a death, and other charges. But, again, what the hell does this have to do with Obama. Its just your Rove (yep, I said it) way of spreading foundless fear and hatred.

Posted by Writeon (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Rick Green, you and democrat U.S. Rep. John Murtha’s belligerent unmitigated gall accusing decent western Pennsylvania voters and people like me of being too racist to support Obama are your self’s guilty of punishable abusive racism. It is an outrage to be maliciously maligned a racist by any despicable racist. U.S. Rep. John Murtha and his democrat party’s true socialist political philosophy, their covert disdain for democracy and disregard for governing authority has until now remained deniable. U.S. Rep. John Murtha’s reckless racist attacks clearly demonstrates his disdain for all Americans, American democracy, his true racist nature and clearly reveals the democrat party’s undeniable socialist sociopolitical identity. U.S. Rep. John Murtha’s reckless racist attacks explain the democrat party’s Machiavellian conduct demonstrated by the Obama campaigned for the presidency.
I think Americans have heard, seen, and had, enough iniquitous Machiavellian conduct to prosecute Murtha and his socialist party. There is no place for racism or communism of any kind in America if you know what I mean.

Posted by ddd (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wait a minute- Mrs. Stewart lead Burlington into a school not to be judged by the color of one skin but our individual abilities. She was later followed by Mr. Lewis, now Dr. Lewis who also was a great principal.
For a few years the previously closed Sybene Elementary was reopened with Mrs. Curry, Mr. Cook and Mrs. Jones. It was doing that time when the Eddy Awards were presented by a Women's Club in South Point that Burlington won so many that they suspended the tests and awards event and it was never heard of again.

Burlington has always been a step in innovativeness with some of the best teachers in county from the onset:
Mrs. Whitley; Mrs. South; Mrs. Adkins; Mrs. Adkins; Mrs. Fuller; Mrs. Riley; Mrs. Bailey; Mrs. Simpson; Mrs. Kelly
[Does anyone know where she is?]; Mrs. Romine; Mrs. Mills; Mr. Lewis and the County Music coordinator,Mrs. Spencer.
It was under Mrs. Spencer the 6th and 3rd graders had a yearly operetta; the 5th and 2nd graders offered the Christmas program leaving the 4th and 1st graders to the Thanksgiving service.
[I think there was another first grade teacher before Mrs. Whitley. I extend my sorry to her and her family if I omitted her.]
Be not deceived:
Burlington has always had great teachers and parents who were involved like the Hurst family; thus giving way to having wonderful students and wonderful opportunities.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Duh, no we don't know what you mean. Perhaps changing your user name to writebetter would help.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nascar is racist. BOOGITY BOOGITY Lets go racin' boys! Whats that all about?

EAB

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Everything can be called racism.

Even Eating beans.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

L8ter G8ters

Posted by CommonSense (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 1:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The article about the "botched abortion" doesn't seem to apply as you all seem to think it does. You've all been discussing legalized abortions. This article raises some questions in my mind.

I'm wondering if the mother went to this Florida clinic to get an abortion. The article states, "Christian Newswire reports that Shanice's mother went to the clinic after experiencing some discomfort, and the clinic staff decided to deliver the baby." Does this mean she was starting labor, and went there for delivery? Does it mean her labor was premature, but they felt she was too far to get it stopped and decided to deliver? It doesn't sound as though she went for an abortion to me. Some of the clinics where they perform abortions are women's clinics where obstetrics and gymecology are also performed. Did she even know this place performed abortions? She said she was glad the place was closed down. She could have been unaware.

The biggest thing that stands out in my mind is that this place sounds as though it was illegal. The article states the baby was delivered ",,,by unlicensed women who just happened to be working at the clinic at the time." The article further states, "...She rejoices that the clinic has been closed. It was owned by Gonzales, a woman with no medical background."

Posted by CommonSense (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 1:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue, is thankful Shanice will "finally be laid to rest with the dignity and love she was denied in her short life" and hopes her killers will be brought to justice. He adds that the public is encouraged to attend the funeral in hopes that the African-American community will stop the "exploitation and decimation of their community by predatory abortionists."

As a matter of fact this article is a very good reason to legalize abortions...to prevent just this very thing. If this clinic were on the level, in all probability, this wouldn't have happened. The clinic would have been run and staffed by qualified, licensed medical personnel. It would put these places out of business.

I don't especially believe in abortions myself. However, I've seen some cases where I can understand it. I've seen cases of girls being raped and pregnant by fathers and brothers, I've seen a couple cases where the girls were so young, they weren't developed well enough to be able to carry and deliver a baby without being a grave danger to the young mothers. I've seen a case where the young mother would have had so much damage had she been made to carry the baby, that she would probably would have never been able to conceive when she was older. These are the cases where abortions should be a choice.
These are cases where the sins of others have forced these children into situations beyond their control that will destroy them and/or their lives.

As for abortion being a sin, it could be. I feel that is between the one who has one and God. Its not for me to judge. The Bible says all sins are equal. It also says we're not to sit in judgement. That's God's job. It's like Obama says, its above our pay grade.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 4:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well put Sense.

No beans about it.

Posted by Joseph_Benning (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 4:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, two race pandering bogus flags! Set down the kool-aid cups, and back away from the kool-aid pitcher.

Shortly after the "racism" story broke, ex-Marine Murtha canceled a long planned debate with his opponent; a retired US Armed Forces Officer. Perhaps a telling sign this ex-Marine is about to become an ex-congresscritter.

Obamaniacs can throw the obligatory racism charge now. Because with Senator Barak Hussein Obama, support is more likely based upon his skin color, rather than his character.

Reasoned opposition against Senator Obama isn't about his skin color. Turn off factors are the combination of Obama's extreme Marxist-Socialist politics, inexperience, character, and simply sleazy associations.

First, the 1st Amendment. If you are not a pro-life candidate, you never earn this Christian's vote. God said: Thou shall not murder. And this isn't about "bitterly clinging" to religon; I just never trust, nor vote for anyone who doesn't respect life.

Second, the 2nd Amendment. We should fear the politician who fears our guns; never trusting, nor voting for a politician who doesn't trust a law abiding citizen with a gun. Anywhere.

Then, for devil's advocate purposes, let's suppose Senator Obama was both pro-life and pro-gun.

The Senator's genuine lack of experience. Long on talk. Short on experince. A non-existent record with things that positively improve society. Has the press ever featured a walk-thru of any community Barry improved before becoming US Senator?

Of course not. Things are worse. Chicago needs a troop surge. More folks died in Chicago street violence during the Iraq War than the number of troops we lost in the Iraq. Chicago's gun free utopia!

Next, Senator Obama has an amazing pattern of poor judgement whenever choosing the company he keeps. All my relationships maintained over 50 years didn't include one Marxist, terrorist, racist, or anti-American. What's his problem?

Despite the ever changing denials and countless "stopthesmears" website scrubs; Senator Government, like all his fellow Marxist-Socialists, are always keenly aware of the company they chose to keep. William Ayers, Frank Davis, Danny K. Davis, Jerimiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Louis Farrahkan, Raila Ordinga; just to name a few. So what's Barry's problem with these awful relationships? There is no problem.

Because, even the Communist Party USA supports Obama. And the CPUSA endorsement is proudly linked to the official Obama 08 campaign website!

With the Democrat party goosestepping side by side with CPUSA; only the "racists" are opposed to this development.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 5:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo:... Let me get this straight. Anyone who posts here in support of Obama is tagged as a liberal in your view. A candidate who got the votes of over, what was it, 50 million voters is tagged as a "Messiah" by you. Those who support him are, in your view, worshiping him since you call him "their" Messiah?
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Now Neo, you know that Obama has been called the Messiah by his converts... Who was it, Jackson or Farrakhan that proclaimed him the messiah? And Neo... if people don't think that he's the "messiah", why was this joke told??? And why did people get it???

"After a quick meet-and-greet with King Abdullah, Obama was off to Israel, where he made a quick stop at the manger in Bethlehem where he was born." --Jon Stewart, on Barack Obama's Middle East trip

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 5:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:48 p.m.

Scooter, why do so many blacks (as indicated by the Stern interview) only vote for him because he's black?? Isn't that also racist?
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That argument would've put Al Sharpton in the White House.
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About 12.4% of the American people are Black or African American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_demo...

Sorry Neo, you must have been looking at your polling site again. 12.4% ain't gonna cut it to put someone in the White House. Especially since not many white independents would have voted for him.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 5:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 8:31 p.m.

Sorry Neo, Don't know who he is... besides, I just have to use Obama's own words and deeds (what few he has) against him.
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Then he must know you man because his videos could have been scripted out of your posts.
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Nah Neo, all you have to be able to do is think on your own and you'd be able to see what an empty suit and a LIAR Obama is.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latest AOL Straw Poll

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/st...

The AOL Straw poll has McCain winning the election by a landslide.

Zogby Poll

http://www.zogby.com

... has Obama's lead slipping and McCain gaining. Obama 49 - McCain 44

The lastest Gallup Poll has Obama's lead slipping and McCain gaining.

Registered Voters

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111211/Gallup...

With Likely voters Gallup has Obama 49 and McCain 47

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone mentioned Obama's "socialist" views. May I remind you that McCain wants the government to buy defaulted loans, and have the owners pay back the government.

And Bushco has nationalized part of the US Banking institution.

How's that for socialism?

Posted by Writeon (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 10:03 a.m.

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Posted by Writeon (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone mentioned Obama's "socialist"

Osu you make it sound like Barack Obama is the only one able to make America socialist enough for you and your Obamanation. I would prefer America remain a united capitalist democracy. Your Obamanation democrats little socialist secret want remain hidden long.

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're lecturing someone about proper spelling and grammar, writeon?

What does "secret want remain hidden long" mean?

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It means somebody needs a nap.

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Or their recess from elementary school. :)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, if it would be possible to raise the writing level to at least 4th grade it would help. :) As far as the restroom wall crack, Mike said we shouldn't obcess with learning true identities, so I'll have to meet you and your family another way.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Since this article is on racism ...

A 14 Year old Girl in Orlando Florida is called a racist by her fellow class-mates for wearing a McCain/Palin T-Shirt to school.

The 14 year old girl is a volunteer at the Republican Headquarters in New Smyrna Beach. The Palin t-shirt was a gift from her fellow volunteers.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/...

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My mother had a come back for this kind of behavior ...

"Isn't that the Pot calling the Kettle Black"?? (BTW that statement is not racist)

So as a conservative and a republican ... in supporting McCain and opposing Obama on issues of the ecomony, abortion, taxes and gun control, and others I am a racist ....

How many times did Bill Clinton charge Obama with playing the race card during the primaries?

How many times during the Obama campain did Obama himself play the race card when he would say things like ....

"They Will Tell You I Don't Look Like The Other Presidents"

Murtha may have been right or Murtha may have been wrong. But what is really wrong is the reverse of the "Murtha racism charge" that is directed against those that oppose Obama, not based on his race but on his merits and issues.

I have a question ... is that racism also?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Video: Obama Mocks Joe The Plumber, Crowd Laughs
And the angry mob screams, "Kill him! (cross that out) (rather) Put him out of business!"...

Regular people really do seem to get under The Messiah's skin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqis9mRcW...

Sounds like Obama is REALLY standing up for the middle class ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder how many people who say they are for Obama are saying that just so the pollster doesn't think they are racist??? Once they get behind the curtain all alone... who will they really vote for?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by osu (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone mentioned Obama's "socialist" views. May I remind you that McCain wants the government to buy defaulted loans, and have the owners pay back the government.

And Bushco has nationalized part of the US Banking institution.

How's that for socialism?
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OSU, does the U.S. Government own the Savings and Loan institutions or Chrysler whom they bailed out years ago? No, they paid us back. Just like the banks are supposed to.

So much for your lame attempt to tie this action to socialism. Obama is the only socialist who wants class warfare running for President.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would hope that voter selects who they thinks is best qualified to lead this country through turbulent times.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is some more socialism failure ... It seems that folks were opting for a freebee and hand out ... people that had existing private coverage was dropping it in order to go on the free plan ...

This is what Obama health plan will bring us ... people dropping their private coverage so that they can get it for free ...

Hawaii ending universal child health care

HONOLULU (AP) - Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched.

Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.

"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, under McBush's plan the banks get rewarded for bad decisions and greed. (i.e. buying the mortgages at full value, not the home's worth, but the full mortgage value.)

Thats just like McBush. And he'll find a way to blame the losses on Obama. The two previous bail-outs were negotiated so that the government would get ALL its money back and then some. Chrysler even paid off its loan early. But this isn't a loan. Its flushing hundreds of billions of dollars down the hole and no good result.

As for the McBushies...thats YOUR tax dollars and MINE not at work.

Posted by CommonSense (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hawaii should have had guidelines in place to prevent that from happening. With nothing to prevent it, its an open invitation to those who will abuse the programs meant to help those who need them. There will be abusers in any program. You can count on that. Those people are the ones who give programs like these a bad name. Evidently someone goofed when this was implemented. Its a shame it happened, because look at all the people who lost the much needed help.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nobody should be able to look you in the eye and say that their system is perfect.

But something HAS to change. Real Change.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CommonSense ...

Hold on one moment ... has Obama said that he will force families that already have private health plans to keep those plans?

You Betcha he has NOT ...

What he has said was if you have a private plan and you want to keep it the government will help you pay for it ... That is a far cry from dicating you have to keep your private plan in favor of something for free ...

But what the heck ... why pay for anything when the government will GIVE it to me for free ...

Universal Health Care will be a dismal failure ... given the opportunity the majority will opt for Free and cancel their own health plans ... just like in Hawaii ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, under McBush's plan the banks get rewarded for bad decisions and greed. (i.e. buying the mortgages at full value, not the home's worth, but the full mortgage value.)
Thats just like McBush. And he'll find a way to blame the losses on Obama. The two previous bail-outs were negotiated so that the government would get ALL its money back and then some. Chrysler even paid off its loan early. But this isn't a loan. Its flushing hundreds of billions of dollars down the hole and no good result.

As for the McBushies...thats YOUR tax dollars and MINE not at work.
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Initially the U.S. government will pour $125 billion into nine major banks with the hope that they will use the money to rebuild their reserves and to increase lending to consumers and businesses. Another $125 billion will be made available this year to other banks — if they need it — for cash infusions.

In return, the government will get ownership stakes in the financial institutions.

The first several years MC, the interest the banks have to pay will be low. The longer the government has the shares, the more interest the banks will have to pay.

Obviously, once again you have no idea what you are talking about MC... just your typical making stuff up as you go...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My stuff came from listening to both parties explain what the bill was about.

But, Noe. YOU of all people should not accuse someone of making things up. You put both of those "abortion gone bad" stories up as a way of turning up the pro-life juices against Obama. This tactic shocked even me, and I've been around for awhile.

To make up that a live baby had been thrown on a garbage pile...you must be a real sicko. Did it give you pleasure thinking that whopper up, Noe

Rove would be proud.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nobody should be able to look you in the eye and say that their system is perfect.

But something HAS to change. Real Change.
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And what change has Obama ever performed when he was a Chicago politician?

When given $100 million in the Chicago Annanburg challange, was he able to improve the test scores of Chicago's youth? NO

As a Community Organizer did he improve the lives of his tenants? NO

Did he fight Chicago corruption or go along with it? He went along with it...

What change has Obama brought???

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MasterChef ... with all due respect you are in complete denial about the botched late term abortion issue ... just like Obama ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z65F0z-UK...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9duXeLahk...

Obama's Words .... Remember Words DO Matter Senator Obama ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIU...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK MC, maybe "thrown on the trash heaps alive" was a LITTLE strong... How about placed in a storage cabinet to die? Is that any better?

It has become common practice in many medical facilities to just put these babies born alive after failed abortion attempts in a store room for hours until they die. http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/09/abort...

But lets get back to the real argument... Obama supposedly said that he was against the "born alive" bill because there was already something in place to protect those that are born alive... obviously it isn't working.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if Senator Obama being a Christian has ever read this passage of scripture?

In the story related did the master take from the servant that doubled his masters money? No he took the money away from the stupid and ignorant servant that was wicked and lazy.

Now Obama comes and flips this story around on its head ... taking the money from the servants that are good and faithful and giving it to the wicked and lazy servant ...

The parable tells of a master who was leaving his home to travel, and before going gave his three servants different amounts of money.

On returning from his travels, the master asked his servants for an account of the money given to them.

The first servant reported that he was given five talents, and he had made five talents more. The master praised the servant as being good and faithful, gave him more responsibility because of his faithfulness, and invited the servant to be joyful together with him.

The second servant said that he had received two talents, and he had made two talents more. The master praised this servant in the same way as being good and faithful, giving him more responsibility and inviting the servant to be joyful together with him.

The last servant who had received one talent reported that knowing his master was a hard man, he buried his talent in the ground for safekeeping, and therefore returned the original amount to his master. The master called him a wicked and lazy servant, saying that he should have placed the money in the bank to generate interest. The master commanded that the one talent be taken away from that servant, and given to the servant with ten talents, because everyone that has much will be given more, and whoever that has a little, even the little that he has will be taken away.

And the master ordered the servant to be thrown outside into the darkness where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 25:14-30
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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hillary Clinton Rips Apart Barack Obama

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GQadAAlK9c...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dave, I've made no secret that I'm agnostic. But I can't believe how many self-proclaimed Christians can attack a man with half-truths, distortions and lies.

I do remember hearing in my "forced church" years that it is the same as murdering a man if you murder his reputation with lies.

Don't you also have a commandment about lying? Hey, I'm not trying to score points here. I just think the rhetoric needs to be turned down a little. What do you say?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You can't make this type of comedy up:

Barack Obama's campaign attorney today asked Attorney General Michael Mukasey to add a probe into allegedly false Republican claims of voter fraud to the investigation into the firings of U.S. attorneys. Republican voter-fraud accusations ``seek both to suppress the vote and to unduly influence investigations and prosecutions,'' wrote Robert Bauer, general counsel for the Democratic presidential nominee.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MasterChef ... I am reading your post 3 times ...

Are you accusing ME of lying?

Don't look to me to turn down what you are calling rhetoric ... I am not falling for the be good lil boy line ... Just like Obama accusing McCain of negative ads ... when those ads are telling the folks about a side of Obama that Obama wants nobody to know ...

Like Obama during the last debate accusing McCain supporters of screaming "Kill Him" when that actually never happened but it was a story picked up by MSNBC and passed along as truth. The truth IS that the Secret Service listened to tapes of those rallies, and have declared that NEVER happened. Well is MSNBC going to appologize and is Senator Obama going to appologize? H. E. double toothpicks ... No he is not ...

Just like Obama and his supporters calling McCain supporters racists ... just because we don't support Obama's plans.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Talk about windfall profits... why doesn't Obama tax the extra revenue that TV stations are making??? Every other freakin ad is an Obama advertisement.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK. I tried. I hope your God is happy with you.
Or, are you happy with your God?

Posted by citizenq (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think people call you (Vil, Slick77, neosis, and padanorr) racists because you don't support Obama, but because of the hateful rhetoric you seem to espouse here and in all of the comments that you post. Your comments are always anti-Obama, never pro-McCain, and then you hide behind statements indicating that you have many reasons to oppose Obama to keep others from calling you on it.
The four of you, and a few others, viciously attack anyone who posts anything in favor of Obama, which is certainly within your right to do so. However, the deep-seated racial hatred shines through consistently. You also seem to have a serious problem with the nation's poor. As someone who worked with the poor of this area for many years, I can vouch for the fact that they are not all lazy. Some of them are poor due to circumstances beyond their control. But I suppose you would prefer that they just fall off the grid into perpetual obscurity. Remember, there but for the grace of God, go I. The situations I have seen people go through in recent years could happen to any of us at any time.
Your theory that the recent banking failures were due to loans being made to minorities who couldn't afford to repay them is in and of itself, racist. If you had bothered to check some reliable sources, you would have discovered that the minorities who received these loans defaulted at the same rate as whites. Had you done your homework, you would have also found that the average property value of the minority loans were far less than the amount borrowed by whites among those who defaulted on these loans. Check the figures from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and use a little common sense, instead of your biased sources.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 17, 2008 at 10:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gosh, Citizen Q. If it isn't true that the poor have only themselves to blame, if it isn't true that anyone who isn't white is just a big old drain on the system, what else might be untrue? Stop scaring us with your la-di-dah overeducated liberalism. And your grammatical sentences and faultless punctuation are getting on our nerves, too. If you have anything else thoughtful or reasonable to say, take it somewhere else.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

citizenq ...

First of all you haven't a clue about my background or my upbringing ... I grew up dirt poor in Lawrence County Ohio ... So I can say I have a certain perspective on being poor, doing without food and wearing rags for clothing and living in substandard housing.

But you know in all those years my mother never belittled a rich person or jammed ideas in my head that somehow I was "owed" something because of my situation. She instilled in me a work ethic that I will never forget and she led by example, working hard at multiple jobs at the same time to raise me and my two sisters. Also, I will tell you when I was in high school I worked two jobs as a teenager making my own way because I was taught THAT was the RIGHT thing to do.

As for your accusations of me and my fellow conservatives viciously attacking anyone that posts anything in favor of Obama, your view is a bit biased and slanted. My attacks are not against the people that believe in Obama, the attack in on Obama himself and his ideas ... the Obama liberal, extremist and Marxist philosophy that will absolutely KILL the work ethic of the poor of this county, the work ethic that I and millions of citizens believe in and was handed down to us by our parents. That work ethic is what will lift a poor person out of his station, not a continual hand out from the government or attempting to exercise someone's idea of wealth redistribution. I will tell you without reservation there is an opportunity for ANY person that wants it. I don't care if that person is White, Black, Asian, or a green Martian from planet Krypton.

Also I will tell you there have been many times I have stood behind the platform of John McCain and the Republican party as I am doing now, but also I have a duty to my personal beliefs and morality to sound the alarm about Barack Obama. If you wish to call those attacks, then so be it.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

more ...

Also I will say with no insincerity in my heart that you are the one hiding behind the computer making accusations that you cannot back up. As you can plainly see, my full name is visible for the world to see and I stand behind each and every post I type in these forums.

As for your ramblings about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac all I can say is heaven help you and me because if Barack Obama wins the Whitehouse and he goes through with his platform and plans the economic chaos you see now will be a firecracker compared to nuclear explosion that is to come.

Also I am really offended by the entire racist nature of your post, especially in pointing out inaccurately my view on the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac issue. I never said in any of my postings anything about minorities taking out these loans. This is not and was not a minority issue. This was an issue of credit worthiness and I put the fault squarely on the Community Reinvestment Act, pressure from groups like ACORN to lower bank lending standards and Democrats like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Maxine Waters, who protected the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and turned a blind eye when numerous warnings were sounded. In my opinion the people I mentioned are guilty of economic terrorism and treason against the people of the United States.

I will defend your right citizenq to say the things you have said, but I also have a right to defend my beliefs and I have a right to speak out against a man and party that have blinded the eyes of a great deal of people in this country. Your offending and untrue accusations of racism will not stop me or any of my fellow conservatives that post in these forums.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

New Lawsuit in Washington State Questions Barack Obama's Citizenship, Eligibility to be President

According to an article run yesterday by The Daily Herald in Everett, WA, a civil action was filed Tuesday in Washington State Superior Court against Sam Reed, Secretary of State for the State of Washington, demanding that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama be removed from the ballot in Washington unless he can provide verification of his status as a United States citizen.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/2008101...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 11:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Philip Berg's federal lawsuit against Barack Obama questioning his constitutional eligibility for the presidency.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/2008101...

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm...

The case documents ...

http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pe...

Video about Berg vs Obama case ...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 17, 2008 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama Laughs at The American Dream

Joe, an earnest blue-collar guy, wants to build his business in pursuit of the American dream.

Listen to what Joe tells Barack. He says he wants to buy a business that he hopes would yield about $250,000 a year. He does not say that he makes $250,000 a year as a plumber. He’s telling Barack that his goal is to become a small-business owner.

But what does Barack do? He mocks Joe. He mocks plumbers. Obama laughs at Joe’s American dream.

Because Joe had the audacity to question Obama’s tax policy.

This incident illustrates that Barack Obama is 1) a snob, 2) a poor listener, 3) unfamiliar with how sole proprietors grow into small business-people, 4) detached from typical American values, 5) unaware of how his tax proposal will affect the average Joe, and 6) inclined to smear citizens who question him.

Are these the traits you want in your next President?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHqxosjyL...

Posted by keta (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 1:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Padanorr, you are as gullible as a child. "Obama laughs at Joe's American dream". Joe's name isn't Joe. Joe isn't a plumber. Joe is nowhere near being able to buy a business. Joe owes nearly $1200 in unpaid taxes, so I guess taxes ARE a big issue with him. Obama is an American citizen. He isn't a Muslim, a socialist, a terrorist, or the anti-Christ. He says the Pledge of Allegiance. He isn't going to make white people his slaves, or give your job to an African American. He occasionally wears a flag pin. Enough, already.

Posted by citizenq (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 1:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I seem to have struck a nerve. If you will notice, I was responding to the posts of several people, but you, padanorr, seem to have taken my comments personally. However, I do commend you on your ability and determination to rise up from humble beginnings. Hmm, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?
Look, we can all google just about any extreme information imaginable to support our point of view. The truth be known, I don't think McCain is a bad guy. If he is such a maverick though, why is he employing the same tactics that were used against him in 2000? I'm sure he didn't appreciate it very much. In fact, if he had beat Bush in 2000, in retrospect, I would have voted for him. McCain's window of opportunity closed then in my opinion. Obama is an idea whose time has come.

Keta, thanks?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

keta ...

do you really take me for an idiot ?

I do happen to read the news and I know that Joe isn't his real name.

The fact that he owes back taxes has absolutely NOTHING to do with the question he asked of Barack Obama.

The fact that Joe the Plumber wants to purchase or start a business that will be taxed at higher rates in order to "Spread The Wealth Around" is the issue ...

and I do happen to believe Obama will be the ruin of this country and wholeheartedly disapprove of his socialist, marxist views of "sharing the wealth".

Enough already? ... seems to be the call of Democrat liberals these days attempting to make people like me a villain for expressing my point of view.

Again I am offend at your racist tone in saying that I am attempting to "scare" people into believing Barack Obama is a Muslim or he will give their job to an African American and other nonsense.

However his qualifications to be POTUS are being questioned and there IS a case filed in Philadelphia Federal District Court to determine that issue.

Why hasn't Obama provided the documents to the court? What say you about that? The suit would be dropped immediately if Barack Obama would provide sufficient proof that he is a Natural Born citizen of the United States.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

citizenq ... Obama is an idea whos time has come? Let me clue you into something ... the "Obama idea" is nothing new ... it has been tried over and over and all over this world. The "Obama idea" doesn't work and never will.

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If Barrack Obama was not born in Hawaii, don't you think with republican control over the CIA, that he would have been stopped by now? He has Secret Service protection, think they overlooked him being a non-citizen? Obama's father was a african, his mother a american. If that doesn't make him a african-american nobody is. Remember McCain was born in Panama.

P.S. Panama pot tastes like beans

Posted by citizenq (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

padanorr, we all realize and understand your tactics. Nobody will remember Joe the Plumber next week, but you would be screaming at the top of you lungs if you received a robocall from the democratic party advising you that "McCain was a major player in the Keating Five scandal, in which the collapse of Lincoln S&L resulted in a total cost of $124 billion to taxpayers, CEO Charles Keating being sentenced to five years. But McCain does have the reputation of reaching across party lines - the other Sentors involved were Democrats. Three of the Senators involved never ran for re-election, but McCain and John Glenn, due to their status as national heroes, were merely given a slap on the wrist and allowed to continue their political careers. Is this the man that you want to take control of an economy amidst numerous bank failures fueled by the same type of greed and corruption? By the way, McCain also blocked recognition of the MLK Holiday in his state until the NFL threatened to bypass Arizona as a site for a future Super Bowl bid."
The robocalls being made now in toss-up states are an abomination, and if you received one with the above information, I'm sure you would be outraged. You would refute these statements as being skewed or manipulated, but all that doesn't matter. What does matter is the politics of hate and fear that you promote to the readers of these comments, and the fact that they are racist in nature. Even though you have the right to post anything you want, you should be called on your racist views whenever they appear.

Posted by AlisonMiller (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The thing is that Lawrence County is full of "Joe the Plumbers."

Broke people who just don't realize that they aren't Republicans. I know people who used Medicaid to deliver their kids--they're voting Republican. I know college students and graduates who used Pell grants to help get through school; they're voting Republican. I know someone whose ex-wife is getting food stamps to feed his kid. Guess what he's voting? Republican.

What these pseudo-Republicans don't seem to understand is that real Republicans are able to pay their taxes, feed their kids, and pay their hospital bills. MY taxes are supporting them, and THEY'RE the ones voting Republican.

I grew up poor. I used Pell Grants to help get through school. I have paid the money back, and then some. And I cannot and will not forget that.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

citizenq,

I too came from a family that initially had no money. My dad went and worked two - 40 hour jobs during the week and then worked for a moving company on the weekend. He saved up enough for a down payment on a small farm that we worked growing up. We weren't rich. I understood why my clothes came from yard sales. I understood why we went through the dumpsters behind the stores to get food for the animals and... if some of the food was still good... we just cut off the bad spots... I knew why we had to go out in other farmers fields in the middle of winter and pick corn for the animals that the machines had missed.

I also worked during school and summer jobs (besides the unpaid farm work) to save up money for college. I also understood when my mom had to use that money I had saved up to pay doctor bills for my youngest brother who was born with throat cancer.

I ended up joining the navy and got the training I needed to end up with this good paying job.

And we did it without welfare...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice try citizenq ...

tell me why my email was spammed by Obama / Biden 2008? When I never signed up? I was not taken off their list when I complained and threatened to take the issue to the Federal Trade Commission. Then you can complain about robocalls ...

if you want to call me a racist for not supporting Barack Obama .. that is your option ... however calling me a racist doesn't make it true ...

AlisonMiller ... Republican doesn't have anything to do with whether one is rich or poor ... it has everything to do with philosophies and opportunities ... perhaps the people you mention are smart enought to see through Obama's veiled socialism for what it is ....

So a poor person by the nature of their station should cough up their vote for Obama .... because of the fact they are on assistance ...

What is the sad part AlisonMiller ... with Obama in the Whitehouse you will have more of those same kind of "people" that you say you are supporting now ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so here is the deal ... We (conservatives) are not playing by the rules ... but the liberals and Obama supporters set the rules ...

and the #1 rule is ... don't say anything derogatory about Obama ...

and the 2nd rule is ... read rule #1 ...

and the Democrat tactic is ... if a conservative doesn't play by the rules ... call him a racist ...

Obama did that to Hillary Clinton ... President Clinton called him on it ...

Posted by citizenq (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I seem to be hearing the same story....humble beginnings, pulling oneself up by the bootstraps, hard working family, etc. Why is Obama's story any different from yours or mine? I thought that was supposed to be the American dream, an example for others to follow. Rare is the case of a person who made it all on their own without the help of others. Now that we have made it to the next level, it is incumbent upon us to extend our hand to someone else embarking on the same journey we have taken. That is Obama's message. It seems that you are saying essentially, "i got mine, now you get yours." I am my brothers keeper, the Golden Rule, and remembering from whence one came seem to be lost concepts with regard to the GOP philosophy. That is why you equate spreading the wealth with socialism, that or the fact that you do not understand the basic principles of socialism or communism.
If you would bother to remove your head from the nether regions of your anatomy, you would see that we have been tracking toward these economic theories for some time. We just socialized the banking system while the bourgeiose just enjoyed a half-million dollar retreat on proletariat money.

Posted by Writeon (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 16, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Duh, no we don't know what you mean. Perhaps changing your user name to writebetter would help.

Duh Masterbetter perhaps changing your user name to Masterbetter would help you. Duh Masterbetter I don’t even know if it would be possible to dumb down my material enough for you to comprehend. Duh Masterbetter, if I could or wanted to dumb down my material enough for you it wouldn’t be fair to the literate. I will however try to use more three and four letter words but that is the best I can do for you. Duh Masterbetter you may have to go back to reading restroom walls for your literary pleasure. Would some one help Duh Masterbetter interpret this message he is obviously a less educated democrat.
Duh Masterbetter you have got me thinking a charity for Duh morons may be a worthy cause if you are able to get my meaning. Duh thanks for the advice PAL but no thanks.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

citizenq ....

you really miss the entire point ... and attempting to belittle me by telling me to remove my head from my nether regions of my anatomy really displays your care and warmth for a fellow member of the human race. Isn't that another tactic of a liberal to resort to name calling and belittling?

This is the point ... All Americans do rise to the challenge of assisting a fellow American and offering a hand up. Americans are the most charitble people in this World. What I have a problem with and I dare say millions of American's have a problem with is "Choice".

Just like liberals who bark about a woman's right to choose an abortion, you want to take away my RIGHT TO CHOOSE how I use the funds that I earn through hard work and enterprise.

I never have taken away from Obama for his personal acomplishments ... but do not FORCE me by taxation to satisify some kind of twisted social justice.

Maybe if you would get your head out of your nether regions of your anatomy you would understand the true nature of Senator Obama's plans.

Help others? Definately ... I support and encourge that ...

Holding a gun to my head in the form of taxation and tell me to help others ... I think I will pass ...

Posted by citizenq (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

padanorr, I have been receiving Republican propaganda in the mail for some time now. What's your point? My point is there is huge difference between spam and the hate and fear tactics employed in these robo calls. These calls are linking Obama to terrorists, a fear tactic which proved to be highly successful for "W" against Kerry. The subliminal message here is that most people equate terrorists with the perpetrators of 9-11, not a radical hippie of the 60's who damaged government property and blew up three of their own members while making bombs. I am not trying to downplay what the Weather Underground did, but you have to admit that they were more of a danger to themselves than others.
If you say you're not a racist, does that make it true? It seems that there was a discussion on one of these articles revolving around the fact that Obama attended a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia at age 6. I guess that and his Swahili name proves he is Muslim. Even if we accept that, what are we saying about Muslims in general? Are we saying that Muslim is synonomous with terrorist, even though the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peace loving, law abiding citizens? Now, define racism. Define prejudice.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

citizenq ...

Againt you are attempting to paint me as a racist ... I don't really care about Obama's ancestory or race ... that isn't the issue with me ...

William Ayers, Jeramiah Wright, extreme groups like ACORN ... causes me to question Obama's judgement ...

You would call the robocalls hate and fear tactics ... I would call the robocalls telling the American people the truth ...

But it seems with Obama there are degrees of truth ... First truth , I never associated with Ayers ... just some guy that lived in my neighborhood ... then the line changes to .. well that was some guy that I sat on board with ...

degrees of truth ... I never had anything to do with ACORN ... then here lately Obama has scrubbed his FightTheSmears website about his connections to ACORN. What is really laughable ... they cannot scrub Google cache ...

As for racism and prejudice ... you have already evidently defined those terms ...

What did you think about Obama's campaign add that painted John McCain as some white out of touch old geeser that doesn't know how to use a computer ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QlxdUqq...

... and in reality he is physically unable to use a computer because of limited mobility caused when he layed for years in the Hanoi Hilton beaten and broken so that YOU could hide behind your computer and call ME a racist!!

Did you jump up and down for joy when you saw that ad and say in your heart ... yea ... Obama sure did put that white old geeser in his place ... Biden denounced the add ... but recanted later ... I guess Obama got to him ...

Yep .... racism is alive and well but it often doesn't take the forms that most people think it does ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What we do not know about Barack Obama ...

1. Occidental College records -- Not released

2. Columbia College records -- Not released

3. Columbia Thesis paper -- not available

4. Harvard College records -- Not released

5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released

6. Medical records -- Not released

7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- not available

8. Law practice client list -- Not released

9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released

10. Embossed, signed, paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released

11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None

12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

13. Record of baptism-- Not released or not available

14. Illinois State Senate records-- not available

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

citizenq, Obama is linked to a terrorist because he has worked with a terrorist.

If Obama doesn't know or associate with Ayers, please explain why Obama kicked off his political career with a party at Ayers' home.

You don't attend a radical church over a span of 20 years and somehow not here a radical sermon.

If Obama actually came clean and told the truth about his background, he wouldn't even have his own party's nomination.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dave posted:
keta ... do you really take me for an idiot ?
I can’t answer for keta, but its hard to NOT take you for one when you say stupid things like “green martians from Krypton”. Krypton is home to Superman. Green martians come from….well…Mars, I suspect. That being said, let’s take a further look at some of your statements:
You said: “My attacks are not against the people that believe in Obama”
Not true! You have referred to Neo and myself as stupid, idiotic, “Will you liberals…”, Seems like we have another neo ... just a bit more sophisicated ... hey Jeffo; just to pick a few choice words and phrases.. Probably over 50% of your responses to other posters are attacks. ;
You attacked me saying you were “Bent out of shape because I refuse to pay for you to be an A-G-N-O-S-T-I-C.”
Here’s a newsflash, dave: You don’t support me; I do.
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Dave also said: “Also I will say with no insincerity in my heart that you are the one hiding behind the computer making accusations that you cannot back up. As you can plainly see, my full name is visible for the world to see and I stand behind each and every post I type in these forums
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Dave, You don’t live near here anymore. You don’t have to face the possibility of some whacko (and there are several on this forum) coming to your home or work uninvited. How brave to show you true name from hundreds of miles. Want to be on an even playing field? Tell us your “Fortune 500” employer, if there is one.
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Dave also said: “Also I am really offended by the entire racist nature of your post, especially in pointing out inaccurately my view on the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac issue. I never said in any of my postings anything about minorities taking out these loans. This is not and was not a minority issue”
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Not true! You said: “I have a good friend in the mortgage industry that is an underwriter and she tells me how the banks and mortgage companies have these quota's they have to meet for loans to minorities. This is the kind of bad legislation that allowed people that had no business buying a home and getting into debt over their heads.”
You also said: “I am sorry if you are on foodstamps you have NO business purchasing a house and applying for a mortgate. And also you do NOT have to have a job to qualify for the loan. As long as you have the bogus income.
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Dave, there are many people still paying their mortgage, and their “ballooned mortgage” is what made them eligible for food stamps.
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Hurts when your own words come back to bite, doesn’t it.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dave, one more point where you need corrected. ok, maybe 2. McBush CAN use a computer, but its "painful", and his arms weren't broken through torture. It happened when his plane crashed. McBush's POW experiences are bad enough at face value. He doesn't need a cheap hack to spice his stories for him.

Posted by Writeon (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by osu on October 17, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.
You're lecturing spelling and grammar, writeon?
What does "secret want remain hidden long" mean?
I don't remember my lecturing any one. I would rather offer a conundrum that encourages independent thought. I prefer respecting others freedom to believe as they please. I also believe in sharing good things with my neighbors and I am proud of all my convictions. I have never for any reason deliberately offered anyone lies or information I didn’t believe in my heart to be true and fact. I don't like attacking people for any reason in any manner even if provoked. I have been attacked many times over the years and most are well documented. I can only say if I have ever initiated an unprovoked attack on you, I will do my best to avoid further engaging in any such deliberate activity. Pointing out my errors, lecturing and any arrogant conduct is welcome and appreciated. Moving on to this other comment you make. It reminds me of a sick and twisted freak I love to avoid. I will save that story until it’s warranted by an iniquitous attack. MasterChef I don't know how I started responding to the vile I think he/she is. Every time I have any thing to do with him/her I have to immediately take a hard scrubbing shower. This stuff is so for the short bus I can’t afford the water to continue. Now I need another shower and a good nap. Once again thanks for pointing out my foibles. In closing I bid you and those like you fair the well. Posted by MasterChef 10,17, 2008 It means somebody needs a nap.Posted by osu on October 17, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. Or their recess from elementary school. :)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

osu, I don't think "secret want remain hidden long" means recess from CHARM school.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MasterChef ... I don't know what the heck you are talking about ...

But lets talk about some facts ...

Yes I mentioned my friend that works for a mortgage underwriter ... and that happens to be US Bank and I was quoting her ... and yes she has told me that mortgages were and still are being issued to people with no job, no income and on food stamps. So if you think that makes good business sense then I don't know what to tell you ... seems that common sense has gone out the window ... I still stand by my premise that the current economic meltdown was caused by bad social legislation "Community Investment Act" and Democrats looking the other way when Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae was on the verge of failure.

As for refering to people as idiots and poking fun ... you have done your fair share ... even attached to this forum where you and osu belittle Writeon about his command of the English language. You have shown little or no respect for anybody opposing your candidate or point of view and have attempted at every opportunity to incite outrage in people that don't believe like you do. So remember Sir that when you make accusations sometimes that same accusations come back to haunt you.

As for my identity and where I work ... neo already posted that information for all to see ... and was banned for doing so ...

and to you Neo ... I post vehemently as you put it because I believe in what I say ... and I am ready to defend what I believe ... Neo you have not been a paragon of virtue in these forums and you sure the heck are not the paragon of virtue that you want everyone to believe on your own blog.

Yes sometimes words do sting especially when you point out faults in others that exist in your own life ... think about that ... the light bulb might come on ...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dave, I know I'm no angel. But I took your advice from long ago and started doing research. That's where I found all your quotes. Sure, you'll say I made it up, but I didn't.

You said you don't make attacks on people, just Obama. A lie. Of course I'll always respond to lies, half-truths and republican distortions. You can count on it.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In his historic speech to the United Nations in 1965, Pope Paul VI cried out, "War never again, war never again!" The world must heed these words. They don't just mean, "Don't fight!" They mean that we have to make justice and human rights so secure that the need to fight disappears.

Many ask whether one can be pro-life and support the war. The answer is yes, which is to say that pro-life teaching do allow for circumstances in which war is justified, because sometimes war has to be waged precisely for the defense of life.

Even when war is justified, life is always lost in the process. But innocent life is never TARGETED, and that makes all the difference in the world. How many innocent lives, and how many children, have been deliberately targeted for destruction in the current war?

By comparison, every abortion deliberately targets and destroys a child; otherwise, it isn't even an abortion.

The purpose of war is not to kill the enemy, but rather to deprive the enemy of his ability to wage war and to destroy others' rights. There's a big difference between targeting military/communications equipment to disrupt the operations of the enemy, and just trying to kill as many people as you can.

No doubt, some will read this and begin arguing with me that the war in Iraq is not justified. It is also OK for someone else to come to the conclusion that the war is justified.

What is not OK is for someone to say, "You are not pro-life because you support the war." In fact, one may support the war precisely because he or she is pro-life and concludes that in this case, force is the only way to protect human life, human rights, and human freedom from the hands of those who would destroy it. Others may disagree with the conclusion, which is fine -- but don't deny the other person's right to come to the conclusion.

And do not miss the profound difference with abortion. There is no room for interpretations or evaluations of whether abortion may be justified. It cannot be, because its very essence is the deliberate targeting and destruction of a child. In war, we do not target a single child, whereas every abortion targets a child. Judeo-christian teaching allows more than one position on war, but it does not allow more than one position on abortion.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MasterChef ...

... just as you can count on me to do the same thing ... finally something we agree on ...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, not to disappoint....in war we may not specifically target innocents, but many times when a "highly-valued target" is hiding amongst the innocent, we'll send in our most precise rockets/missles. The innocents are called "consequential casualties", or the number of innocents are considered at "acceptable level" considering the primary target.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

During 'Nam, people who didn't want to kill were called "conscientious objectors". Which would any reader be, a "conscientious objector" or a patriot?

Posted by Shooter (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I run a church for loggers

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 7:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

shooter, using beer for wine? I'm in!

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Citizenq... Nice attempt at a whitewash... "The subliminal message here is that most people equate terrorists with the perpetrators of 9-11, not a radical hippie of the 60's who damaged government property and blew up three of their own members while making bombs. I am not trying to downplay what the Weather Underground did, but you have to admit that they were more of a danger to themselves than others."

Lets check the record...

The Weather Underground was responsible for bombing several government targets throughout the 1970s and early 1980s, including the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, and a building used by the New York City Police Department. To finance their domestic terrorism activities the group also conducted “traditional” robberies, which occasionally led to murder.

What you don’t usually hear in modern-day news coverage of the group, is that three of those murders were of police officers killed in the line of duty.

Just a danger to themselves??? A terrorist is a terrorist no matter the color of his skin.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Truth Hurts ...

The Democrats offer America failed policies, resistance to reform in the face of impending crisis resulting from those failed policies, the most inexperienced candidate in Presidential history who’s also the most liberal member of a Senate their party controls that enjoys a single-digit approval rating.

It’s no coincidence that bad news for America (whether it’s foreign policy or domestic economy) translates into good news for Democrats. Think about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXadMts7S...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Attacking Joe The Plumber: Guess WHO ELSE Has Tax Liens?

The Obama thugs are out in force trying to defame and discredit Joe The Plumber, aka Joe Wurzelbacher.

Unfortunately (for Obama and his thugs), the Obama campaign should be careful not to throw stones while in a glass house.

In their haste to pillory Joe for the audacity of asking a tough question of Obama, the Tanning Bed Media missed a couple of other interesting tax liens.

Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer of Obama’s campaign, has tax liens. So do his companies.

You’d think that matters more than the tax liens of Joe the Plumber, wouldn’t you? But good luck finding a Big Media story about Nesbitt’s liens.

Because, you know, associations matter when choosing a plumber, but apparently not when choosing a President.

http://webofdeception.com/nesbitt.html

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As the media fumes over nonexistent hate at Palin speeches, it ignores leftists who go berserk on city streets.

While the Democrat-leaning media continues to scare undecided voters with bedtime stories about some mythical angry McCain supporter whom nobody has seen, here is a real district attorney’s complaint documenting an unprovoked assault by an enraged Democrat against a McCain volunteer in midtown Manhattan: “Defendant grabbed the sign [informant] was holding, broke the wood stick that was attached to it, and then struck informant in informant’s face thereby causing informant to sustain redness, swelling, and bruising to informant’s face and further causing informant to sustain substantial pain.”

The victim was a small, quiet, middle-aged woman wearing glasses, and the attacker was a loud, angry man who went into orbit at the mere sight of McCain campaign signs.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-suppo...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sen. Barack Obama’s chief strategist conceded that the Democratic presidential candidate was referring to his race when he said Republicans were trying to scare voters by suggesting Obama “doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.”

FROM ABC News Story ...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 18, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OBAMA THE MESSIAH - THE BEST SATIRE EVER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0drwfnGlF...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeez, dave, this stuff doesn't even deserve a real comment. You off your game?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 19, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

geesh MasterChef ..

you don't like political satire? I am sure you watch SNL.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 19, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tisk tisk Senator Obama ...

of Course the Obamamessiah will claim ignorance in the enitre matter .... just like he did with Ayers and Jeremiah Wright ...

excerpts from the Washington Times

Complaint hits Rezko land deal
Fired official says appraisal replaced

A former Illinois bank official, now claiming whistleblower status, says bank officials replaced a loan reappraisal that he prepared for a Chicago property that was purchased by the wife of now-convicted felon Tony Rezko, part of which was later sold to next-door neighbor Barack Obama.

Critics of Mr. Obama's dealings with Rezko charge that the senator may have gotten a deal on his property purchase, noting that Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price for her property on an adjacent lot. Both of which were sold by a single seller. Mr. Obama bought his house for $1.65 million - $300,000 below the asking price.

When the property was sold, Mr. Obama knew Rezko was under investigation on fraud charges.

The complaint said the Rezko loan was approved by Mutual Bank President and CEO Amrish Mahajan and others so that Mrs. Rezko could buy a 9,090-square-foot vacant parcel of real estate. It said that in January 2006, Mrs. Rezko and Mr. Obama, along with his wife Michelle, signed an agreement to sell a 10-foot strip of the property to the Obamas. At that point, according to the complaint, Mr. Connor's firm asked him to conduct the reappraisal.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 19, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

More Dave desperation tactics. Sad

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 19, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

*LOL* MasterChef .... not exactly ...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 19, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

keep up the faith, enjoy while you can, as in < 3weeks

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 20, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So, dave and pad, have you started checking travel brochures for your "new country" after Jan 20th, or are you just using a travel agent? Don't forget your passports. Will you renounce your US citizenship or just wait out the next 8 years, come back and be surprised?

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 20, 2008 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

above should have read: dave and Noe (Its difficult to tell them apart)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on October 20, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Above should have read dave and Noe (they're somush alike its hard to distinguish

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 20, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ahhhhhh actually MasterChef ... Noesis and I have established a Kenya travel fund for you and osu and Neo ...

So when Obami visits his buddy Raila Odinga in Kenya ...

.... the one that is guilty of killing thousands in ethnic cleansing and whom Obama raised millions of dollars for ...

you all can travel together ... and help carry Obami's bags and shine his shoes ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on October 21, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Poll Suggests U.S. Troops Support McCain 3-1

http://www.militarytimes.com/static/proj...

Posted by Writeon (anonymous) on October 30, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on October 18, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am, interested in thought process. I'd love to find a serious, logically sound argument for the question about abortion (from someone who holds those positions, of course).I asked those who believe life starts at conception to justify and explain how they could hold both beliefs at the same time without their belief system being self Contradictory.. I'm asking those who like to throw out phrases like "killing babies", "human excrement", "monster" and "must not have a soul" to justify their positions and help us understand why they feel they have the moral authority to use such strong language.

***Neo assuming you are serious about having some one civilly stand and explain the pro-life position, consider the following my personal logic.
***First let’s forget all individual responsibilities, optional consensual unprotected sex, the limitless contraceptives available and free to the public, advanced surgical procedures, and etcetera, and only consider when life actually starts/begins in the scope of abortion. I don’t want to sound facetious or condescending but to me common sense and physics dictate nothing may be destroyed before it exist. Abortion is deliberate destruction and if it can be destroyed it exist.
***Your Comparing the barbarous of abortion and or immature negligent failure of a civilized individual with opportunity to rescue life from deliberate unsanctimonious sacrifice, while accusing the pro-life community of conflicting moral positions, approval of death and destruction of any war for any reason, systematic health care short Cummings, and strong defensive language, seems more like an attempt to confuse issues rather than Identify rationales and differences.
***I will attempt to keep this as short as I can remember you ask so don’t accuse me of preaching.
***The pro-life community doesn’t have conflicting moral positions. We oppose all unfairness and loss of life but any one that attempts to wipe their feet on an American Christian will in that moment need God him self to come down and save them. American Christians will answer to God and argue the morality of self preservation after persevering. Every one knows that is where all informed American Christians stand.
***This election informed American Christians will prioritize their convictions and take this road block issue off the table of American prosperity for ever.
***I am reasonably certain some like my self in the pro-life community will be waiting and looking with some interest for your informed prioritized rebuttal and pro-abortion logic.