Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 12, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Crawford,

Yes we need to do something about energy besides talk. However where are you living? Under a rock? McCain is talking more than just drilling and Nuclear.

McCain has

Issed a Clean Car Challenge

Proposed A $300 Million Prize To Improve Battery Technology For Full Commercial Development Of Plug-In Hybrid And Fully Electric Automobiles

Supports Flex-Fuel Vehicles (FFVs) And Believes They Should Play A Greater Role In Our Transportation Sector

Believes Alcohol-Based Fuels Hold Great Promise As Both An Alternative To Gasoline And As A Means of Expanding Consumers' Choices

Will Effectively Enforce Existing CAFE Standards

By the way General Motors will be offering a vehicle that will get the equivalent of 100 Miles Per Gallon in the model year 2010.

Believes That The U.S. Must Become A Leader In A New International Green Economy

Will Commit $2 Billion Annually To Advancing Clean Coal Technologies

Will Put His Administration On Track To Construct 45 New Nuclear Power Plants By 2030 With The Ultimate Goal Of Eventually Constructing 100 New Plants

Will Establish A Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D

Will Encourage The Market For Alternative, Low Carbon Fuels Such As Wind, Hydro And Solar Power.

Will Move The United States Toward Electricity Grid And Metering Improvements To Save Energy

------- to say that John McCain just wants to drill drill drill is not accurate.

Yes he supporting drilling, because American's need immediate relief at the pump and all of the solutions to engery will take time. The need for petroleum will not go away immediately.

So while I agree with you on the basic premise of your submission, I disagree with you on your slanted view of Candidate McCain's approach to the problem.

How about being fair when you write articles?

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is Sen. Obama's plan for America's Energy Challenge:

Obama’s comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

Provide short‐term relief to American families facing pain at the pump

Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years
to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.

Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined

Put 1 million Plug‐In Hybrid cars – cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon – on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America

Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025

Implement an economy‐wide cap‐and‐trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 12, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is Sen. Obama's plan for America's Energy Challenge:

Obama’s comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

Provide short‐term relief to American families facing pain at the pump

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? Obama is not for drilling.

Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years
to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? Where is the money coming from?

Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? This is just a general statement. How is Obama going to cause this to happen?

Put 1 million Plug‐In Hybrid cars – cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon – on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? GM has a car already in the works. What did Obama have to do with that? Nothing ... Is Obama going to have the government open up car manufacturing plants? How about letting the free market do that.

Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? What renewable resources?

Implement an economy‐wide cap‐and‐trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? Electric and Natural Gas cars will completely eliminate green house emissions.

Sounds just like talk to me ...

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, I THINK I've created a blog. Not sure, I'm not a blogger. The name is Recipe_master's box Help if you can

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"We do know that if we could consume less it would reduce the price of energy. And if we could produce our own energy we could stop making the Middle East economically central to our needs."

We can produce our own energy cheaply and without producing greenhouse gases. It's called nuclear

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Democrats on Capitol Hill fear Obama fallout

...“There is a growing sense of doom among Democrats I have spoken to . . . People are going crazy, telling the campaign ‘you’ve got to do something’.”...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c2f69ce-8031-...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And just for Neo, I found this article: If You Like Michigan's Economy, You'll Love Obama's

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12212628...

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, I've noticed your questions to my original post. Why do you question Obama's methods and let McBush have a free pass? The answers to most of your questions are on Obama's website. Check it out. I've got lots of Tribune to learn. :)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Did somebody mention Keith Olbermann?" Dobbs asked rhetorically. "By the way - I was delighted to hear that - well, let me say, let me put it this way just very clearly - I'm a petty and venal person. I and Tony [Perkins, president of the Family Research Council], I'm confessing in front of everyone here, but the man is hanging by a highly medicated string.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

'She's one of us': Palin wins over Obama women
Jessica Goral had pretty much made up her mind two weeks ago: she was going to vote for Barack Obama. Then John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.

“She empowers a lot of women,” says Mrs Goral, a mother of two in Macomb County - a national bellwether in the battleground state of Michigan and an area rich in white, working class swing voters who will play a major role in deciding November’s election.

“I like that she’s a brand new mother, and that she has the courage to stand behind her pregnant daughter. She relates to working women. For all of us who have children at home but have to go to work every day – she has given us a sense that we can still do it and can still be an excellent mum.

“Sarah Palin is a role model. She’s made me more likely to vote Republican.” ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Panic sets in for Obama, Democrats

By Jim Wooten | Friday, September 12, 2008, 09:04 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Barack Obama knows it. The election he had in the bag is slipping away.

The selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as John McCain’s running mate has so thrown him off stride, as it has most other Democrats, that all the momentum he had has vanished. He’s getting panicky advice from everywhere. He intends to launch more and sharper attacks, abandoning any pretense of a new and different, more civil campaign.

Democrats know something, and desperation is setting in. They have a novice campaigner who wanders off message. With every advantage in the primaries, Obama couldn’t win the big states — New York, New Jersey, Ohio and Pennsylvania — against Hillary Clinton, even when he got to define the rules for running against him. She could never risk alienating the base she’ll need in 2012; John McCain and Sarah Palin have no such constraints — hence the panic...

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/share...

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did Neo post the entire unedited video of Palin/Gibson, or is it the one that was edited to make Palin look like she calls Iraq a "Holy War"?

It is really sad if you posted the edited version because that would mean you are trying to sway people's opinions with lies.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Vil, maybe this will help you understand the media:

Hurricanes are not the only forces of nature causing damage these days. Gustav and Ike may have ripped the roofs off many buildings, but hurricane Sarah has devastated what was left of the mainstream media’s pretensions toward even-handedness. The curious thing about the Palin Payload is that (so far) the most conspicuous damage has been inflicted not directly by Governor Palin but, jujitsu-like, by the media’s efforts to destroy her. It’s been a spectacle of auto-immolation precipitated by the media’s confrontation with a phenomenon whose nature they misunderstood and whose power they gravely underestimated. That phenomenon may be personified by Sarah Palin. But really it is only incidentally related to the Governor of Alaska. At bottom, the phenomenon is synonymous with traditional middle American values. What we have witnessed is the not-so-silent majority recoiling in disdain and loathing from the media’s transparently partisan efforts to discredit someone about whom they knew exactly nothing except 1) she was John McCain’s pick for VP (why had’t they been informed?) and 2) she seemed unaccountably popular (they would fix that). http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/200...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 4:23 p.m.

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, I've noticed your questions to my original post. Why do you question Obama's methods and let McBush have a free pass? The answers to most of your questions are on Obama's website. Check it out. I've got lots of Tribune to learn. :)

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Why has Obama been given a free pass by the entire liberal media? Inquiring minds want to know ...

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Free pass? The man's life has been under a microscope since he declared.

Pad, nobody needs to make Palin look lihe a fool. She does perfectly well by herself. This is the SAME woman who, until tapped by McBush, who admitted she knew very little about the war!? Whose igloo has she been hiding in? One thing I find familiar about her, just like Dumya, Cheny, Rumsfeld, Rice and McBush...she is extremely arrogant.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And Obama's ads aren't lies? How about Obama's ad that states he doesn't know anything about the internet.

quotes from a 2000 Forbes article:

McCain himself was convinced early on that the Internet had to play a critical role in the campaign. Time and again it allowed him to leverage his money and his organization. "In the Virginia primary," McCain told me, "we needed a lot of petitions signed to get on the ballot. We had the form available to download off the Internet and got 17,000 signatures with very little trouble."

Ultimately, McCain realized he couldn't go the distance, but the message was clear to any political organization with hopes for the future. His Web team had played the Internet like a Stradivari. . . .

In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate's savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. "She's a whiz on the keyboard, and I'm so laborious," McCain admits.

So let me get this straight... Obama is picking on McCain because of a physical disability???

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Free pass? The man's life has been under a microscope since he declared.
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Yes, under a microscope and every action cheered by the MSM. Even Hillary supporters acknowledge it.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 7:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You people need to read a newspaper once in a while. Here we sit, in the wreckage and failure of eight years of republican rule, and Noesis thinks it's useful to share an interview with someone who likes Sarah Palin because she's a mother, and she had the "courage" to stand by her pregnant teenage daughter. Yep, Noesis, that's what we're looking for in a leader.
The campaign is less and less about Sarah Palin as the mean old media becomes more and more insistent that some discussion of the issues is necessary. Issues are dangerous territory for republicans, but it's dumb to think they can avoid them, and dumber to refuse to prop Palin up in front of a camera until the press agrees to be "deferential" toward her. Maybe they're thinking of North Korea and Dear Leader - the American press doesn't do deferential. It's corporate: General Electric, Rupert Murdoch, Time-Warner, and it does whatever will attract viewers and advertising revenue. Its employees, who follow politicians around 24/7, taking note of everything they say and do, have apparently decided they'll all hang themselves if old Uncle Fester gets anywhere near the oval office. Makes you wonder.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

keta,

Where have you been? living under a rock with Jim Crawford?? Who has been ruling the roost for the last two years? A democrat controlled congress!

This election is not about Sarah Palin, but the dim witted liberal media that supports Obama made it about Sarah Palin.

Also if you were not blind you would see that Sarah Palin has more leadership qualities in her pinkie than Senator Obama has as a whole.

Obama doesn't have a clue what the normal American struggles through on a day by day basis. He only knows what his advisers have told him.

Sarah Palin and her family have lived the struggle as a typical Americans. Obama is nothing more than a go along, get along yes man with no backbone or common decency.

Also before going off half-cocked about not talking the issues why don't you point some fingers at the Obama campaign who has allowed themselves to go off message all because of some "nobody" from Alaska.

Where is that different campaign that Obama promised to wage? Their excuse ... we can't let the opposition lie about us ... sounds like a bunch of whiners to me ....

I would love to see Obama go whining to Putin about Georgia ... please please ... leave Georgia alone ... they are members of Nato and we promised to protect them. Don't make me have to go to war or defend Georgia. My liberal friends wouldn't like it if I had to go to war.

Holy crap ... go to war? With what? Obama would dismantal the military just like the idiot Bubby Clinton did just so he could say he balanced the budget.

When Obama was interviewed by O'Reilly couldn't say he would use the force of the military to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. All he could say is, "I would not take military action off of the table". Obama is weak and follows the orders of his liberal leadership. If Obama becomes President this nation will suffer severly.

As for the press, the liberal media can all go live in Canada and Mexico when McCain is elected.

Maybe the liberal media will like their health care system better.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta, I read newspapers constantly. I'm still trying to find this wreckage and failure you talk about though. What, unemployment is 1% higher right now than when it was during the Clinton years? Wreckage and failure more aptly decribes the Carter presidency. Is that what we want by electing Obama for a second Carter term?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation (13.5), coupled with very high interest rates (18%), oil shortages, high unemployment (7%) and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s.

And Keta has the gall to say the Bush administration is a wreckage and failure??? Somebody needs to read history.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I would love to see Obama go whining to Putin about Georgia ... please please ... leave Georgia alone ... they are members of Nato and we promised to protect them."
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Obama wanted to go to the U.N. Security council and get the security council to "condem" Russia for invading Georgia...

Only one problem with that.... Obama forgot that Russia was on the council and would veto any such resolution.

Obama has 300 foriegn security advisors and that's the advise he gets?????!!!!!!!!

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, where to start? You're a full-time job. As you just said, "Go to war? With what?" Let's see.....broken military, empty treasury, failing economy, a dollar valued so low we've become the bargain basement of the world, largest debtor nation on earth, ten trillion dollar debt, more home foreclosures and bankruptcies than at any time since the great depression, four thousand-plus Americans dead in the most useless and endless war in history, zero credibility, fifty million uninsured, energy, insurance, financial, and investment policy written by the lobbyists who run our government....are you kidding? Dust the Cheeto crumbs out of your lap and step outside.....you won't believe what's happened.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Free pass? The man's life has been under a microscope since he declared.

Pad, nobody needs to make Palin look lihe a fool. She does perfectly well by herself. This is the SAME woman who, until tapped by McBush, who admitted she knew very little about the war!? Whose igloo has she been hiding in? One thing I find familiar about her, just like Dumya, Cheny, Rumsfeld, Rice and McBush...she is extremely arrogant.

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You are confusing arrogance and confidence ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL Keta, how about dealing with some facts? "more home foreclosures and bankruptcies than at any time since the great depression" Can you back that up with real numbers or like Neo, you just like throwing things out?

Look at these foreclosure rates and then try saying that we have had higher numbers than at any other time than the great depression.

http://www.moneyvsdebt.com/2007/06/21/fo...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And Keta, here's a graph from the Bankruptcy institute that shows that you have no idea what you are talking about:

http://www.abiworld.org/statcharts/Consu...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta, lets take a look at your "50 million unisured"

7 million are illegal immigrants. Why do I want to pay for their insurance?

roughly 9 million are persons on Medicaid. Are you saying that they have no coverage?

3.5 million are persons already eligible for government health programs. They get enrolled as soon as they go to the hospital or Doctors.

Approximately 20 million have, or live, in families with incomes greater than twice the federal poverty level, or $41,300 for a family of four. It is their choice not to buy insurance. You can't say that they can't afford it.

The majority of those left that have no insurance are those in between jobs.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

keta,

Quit hiding your head in the sand ... the foreclosures going on are because individuals got THEMSELVES in a pickle by picking up sub-prime mortgages. Of course I blame the lenders too .... If a john gets caught picking up the hooker who is to blame? Both are ... Potential home owners were greedy and got into mortgages they could not afford and lenders were greedy in offering the product to people that under normal conditions would not qualify. Now Washington has created another mess and entitlement just to clean up the mess.

I say let the cookie crumble, even Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Leman and every other investment house / bank that is failing. What is going on as far as bail outs is nothing more than welfare.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"four thousand-plus Americans dead in the most useless and endless war in history"

Why is it that liberals put out statements without thinking how totally without facts they are?

Vietnam war - 1965-1975 total dead: 58,000 Americans

Now Keta, do you think we can have a discussion without baseless rhetoric?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One Democrat That's Defending Sarah Palin - It isn't Lieberman.

Illinois Democratic governor and Barack Obama supporter Rod Blagojevich is taking his own party to task for belittling Sarah Palin's experience. Blagojevich said on a Chicago radio station Thursday, "Governors every day have to make decisions for better or for worse. That's part of the job. It's an executive position... I think it's a tactical mistake for the Democrats to question Governor Palin's experience when she's been governor of a state."

Blagojevich added that criticizing the size of Governor Palin's electorate is also a mistake. "I don't think the size of the state is relevant. It's the kinds of decisions you have to make as governor," he said.

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I bet it just sickens Obama supporters to read something like this ... To think ... a nobody from Alaska has more executive experience than Barack Obama.

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, honest to God I don't know who is the most "full of it" -- you or noesis. HOW did the repukes brainwash you so thoroughly? Perhaps you are one of those RARE individuals who actually are better under Dumya than before. But, how many friends/neighbors do you have that can say that?

We have had enormous, I mean enourmous financial failures since Dumya. Enron, CitiGroup, Merrill Lynch, Countrywide Financial, Washington Mutual, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and now Washington is preparing for a massive number of bank failures.

The housing market is in shambles, people are losing their homes, Dumya and his people have still not kept their "Katrina" promises, but Iraq has all new infrastructure paid for by the U.S. and Iraq STILL has around $80 Billion dollars from their oil sales, supposedly in U.S. Banks. Hopefully their money is in the next bank to fail.

In addition to Palin's and the repukes arrogance, let me add ignorance.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, again, where to start? I called the Iraq war "useless and endless" and you respond by comparing body counts? Now, if I'd said the "most useless and endless war with the highest body count", and you'd chimed in with, No, that was Vietnam! you'd have been right for once. Just out of curiosity, do you ever just read about something, and sort of absorb it because you're interested in it, and use what you've learned in conversation? These long lists of references and web sites are tedious. Do you have any opinions that you came up with all by yourself?

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 2:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You should ask the same question to the people who continually post links blasting Sarah Palin and McCain which are completely false.

I like people who talk in facts, not people who post links and try to smear people with untruths and lies.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 6:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, again, where to start? I called the Iraq war "useless and endless" and you respond by comparing body counts?
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No Keta, your exact words were "four thousand-plus Americans dead in the most useless and endless war in history"

See the difference between liberals and republicans Keta is that liberals are emotion based and republicans are factual based.

That's why things to you are worse than anytime since the great depression. That's not a factual statement but that is your gut feeling.

That's also why liberals don't have a problem with lying or corruption. As long as it serves the greater good, it's acceptable.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 6:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, honest to God I don't know who is the most "full of it" -- you or noesis. HOW did the repukes brainwash you so thoroughly? Perhaps you are one of those RARE individuals who actually are better under Dumya than before. But, how many friends/neighbors do you have that can say that?

We have had enormous, I mean enourmous financial failures since Dumya. Enron, CitiGroup, Merrill Lynch, Countrywide Financial, Washington Mutual, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and now Washington is preparing for a massive number of bank failures.
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Recipe_master, uhmmmm... are you sure you want to use Enron as an example since it went bankrupt in 2001? I'm sure it's corrupt practices were in place long before Bush took the office.

And... can you show me the piece of legislation that Bush signed that led to this??? Waiting, waiting, waiting... yep, that's right, you can't.

So, are you saying that this wouldn't have happened if Kerry was president??

The major cause of the housing meltdown was allowing poor people to claim a higher income than they actually had.

Do you actually believe that if democrats were in charge, democrats would have placed tougher restrictions on poor people buying houses???

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta said: Just out of curiosity, do you ever just read about something, and sort of absorb it because you're interested in it, and use what you've learned in conversation? These long lists of references and web sites are tedious. Do you have any opinions that you came up with all by yourself?
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Actually Keta I've read a lot of stuff and absorbed it. That's why when you start with your mostly empty rhetoric, I know right off what is mostly chaff and identify the few kernels of wheat in there.

Most of your rhetoric isn't based in fact. I'll post the link so that it's not just a he said / she said. People can see for themselves who is telling the truth and who is making things up.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, of course I'll include Enron. Like all the other failures listed above, it was regulated/overseen by a gov't agency. It was up to Dumya to put competant people in the oversight positions. He failed, as usual.

What piece of legislation did he sign? NONE. That's the problem. He had "trusted and loyal friends" at the helm.

The housing crash? Again, Dumya. Signs of pending implosions were evident everywhere for years before the "bubble" burst. Dumya allowed the rich at the top to siphon off Billions before the fed took over.

In every category except making the rich richer, Dumya has crashed and burned.

Thanks to Dumya, Obama will have many fires to put out and fences to mend.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MasterChef, Why didn't Clinton assign competant people to those oversite positions?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey MasterChef, just found this... A scathing federal regulator's report blames "an arrogant and unethical culture" at Fannie Mae for manipulated earnings that led executives to reap huge bonuses. The report also says the mortgage finance giant used its lobbying clout to prod Congress to reduce oversight of the company.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...

Oh, so now it's congress's fault... I thought is was Bush's?

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Surely a few of those links you inflict on everyone explained about republicans and deregulation. That means lifting regulations, which usually are in place for a reason, so that businesses can run wide open without having to be concerned about what might happen a few miles down the road. That's how Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were able to guarantee bad loans. They did what corporations have quickly learned to do under an administration that LOVES them some corporations - privatize the profits, socialize the losses. That means you and I didn't share in the enormous mortgage industry profits, but we have to pay the bills now that the bubble has burst.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That statement "republicans are factual-based" isn't just ungrammatical, it's hilarious. At the risk of having to scroll through twenty web addresses featuring 15-year-old articles about Bill Clinton, lying is one of the top two or three things this election is about.
McCain and Palin, lying about the issues and their own records, understand that everybody bright enough to understand what's going on is firmly in the Obama camp. Their speeches and ads are very obviously aimed at rural voters with ninth grade educations. Like the ad with little children and ominous music and a voice-over that says Obama supported "comprehensive sex education for kindergarteners". Since everybody who understands what's happening there wouldn't vote for McCain anyway, why not go for it? And why not say you're a Washington outsider who plans to clean up all that dirty old corruption, why not claim you said No thanks to the bridge to nowhere? Everyone who knows better is out knocking on doors for Obama, and there's a rich vein of good old boys and girls to be mined. There are only two kinds of voters this time: those who don't know they're being lied to, and those who are sick to death of being lied to.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

noesis, still deflecting by blaming others, I see.

Posted by MamaIron (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There's a real danger to ignorance, and it appears some folks, especially republicans, are blindly allowing this ignorance to guide them.

Doom and gloom for the Democrats? Absolutely not. Doom and gloom for the McCain-Palin ticket? You bet. As the Bible says, the man that builds his house on sinking sand will suffer a great ruin of that house when the winds blow and the heavy rains fall. Such will be the case with McCain-Palin. Their campaign is built on lies. A foundation of lies cannot keep a campaign strong. The republican ticket will fall and fail, and great will be its ruin.

You'll see this happening in God's own time.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama's energy plan is just as empty as his promise to lower the amount of taxes 95% of the American people pay.

How can Obama lower the amount of taxes on 95% of the American people when 40% of the American people pay no federal taxes??????

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who's fault is the housing market fiasco???

In October 1992, a brief debate unfolded on the floor of the House of Representatives over a bill to create a new regulator for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. On one side stood Jim Leach, an Iowa Republican concerned that Congress was "hamstringing" this new regulator at the behest of the companies.

He warned that the two companies were changing "from being agencies of the public at large to money machines for the stockholding few."

On the other side stood Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who said the companies served a public purpose. They were in the business of lowering the price of mortgage loans.

Congress chose to create a weak regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight. The agency was required to get its budget approved by Congress, while agencies that regulated banks set their own budgets. That gave congressional allies an easy way to exert pressure.

"Fannie Mae's lobbyists worked to insure that [the] agency was poorly funded and its budget remained subject to approval in the annual appropriations process," OFHEO said more than a decade later in a report on Fannie Mae. "The goal of senior management was straightforward: to force OFHEO to rely on the [Fannie] for information and expertise to the degree that Fannie Mae would essentially regulate itself." ...
Finally, Congress ordered that the companies be required to keep more capital as a cushion against losses if they invested in riskier securities. But the rule was never set during the Clinton administration, which came to office that winter, and was only put in place nine years later.

The Clinton administration wanted to expand the share of Americans who owned homes, which had stagnated below 65 percent throughout the 1980s. Encouraging the growth of the two companies was a key part of that plan.

"We began to stress homeownership as an explicit goal for this period of American history," said Henry Cisneros, then Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. "Fannie and Freddie became part of that equation."

The result was a period of unrestrained growth for the companies. They had pioneered the business of selling bundled mortgage loans to investors and now, as demand from investors soared, so did their profits. ...
As early as 1996, the Congressional Budget Office had reported that the two companies were using government support to goose profits, rather than reducing mortgage rates as much as possible. ....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The housing market collapse does not fall on any politicians shoulders or any party.

This happened because greedy bankers (of all political affiliations) gave home loans out to people who couldn't afford them ( of all political affiliations). Now this is coming back to bite these banks and financial institutions in the butt, and it's nobodies fault but the banks and the people who took out the loan and defaulted on it.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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"Honor" Ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK3Y1KPzW......

No more kid gloves stuff. He's hitting back. He's hitting hard. Best of all, he's not lying in the process. Enjoy.

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Obama not lie? - Where is Obama's honor?

From the NY Post ...

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/pos...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From the Washington Times ...

EDITORIAL: A debate Obama cannot win

Barack Obama's campaign for the presidency is faltering mostly because he misrepresented himself to the American people. He promised new and authentic politics; unity and bipartisanship; and reform of Washington. He touted his impeccable judgement — as evidenced by his early opposition to the Iraq war and the surge. He thus set the terms of the election debate. Yet the very terms he established are the ones he cannot win with. His record simply does not correspond to his rhetoric.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Al Sharpton cant name a single Obama achievement on live national TV

Lets add Al Sharpton to the growing list of poeple who cant name any of Obama's legislative on national TV.

"He hasn't done anything for you, as far as I can tell," O'Reilly began by saying. "Give me one thing that Barack Obama has done for African Americans."

Rev. Sharpton, who has long positioned himself as the unofficial spokesman for the black community, was nonetheless completely (and inexcusably) unprepared for a question about substance. "Barack Obama, in his state legislative career, voted on some very critical issues that expanded business opportunities for people in Illinois," he eqivocated.

So, in his infinite wisdom, Bill O'Reilly drew the only reasonable conclusion available: Sen. Obama has done nothing for African Americans.

O'REILLY: You can sit here for four minutes, and you haven't given me one thing that he's done. ... You don't know what he's done. And I don't know what he's done. Okay, look. ... Here's the deal: We have two brilliant men here. Okay? You and me. Would you agree?

SHARPTON: I'm not going to argue with that.

O'REILLY: Okay. Two brilliant men. Not just smart. We're really brilliant! Neither one of us can point to one thing Barack Obama has done for African Americans.

SHARPTON: Well, first of all --

O'REILLY: Well nothing! That's the fact!

http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/02/sho...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHOOPS!!!!

$126,000 From Fannie and Freddie? In Four Years?

Obama has two new ads up, both highlighting McCain advisers who have been employed as lobbyists.

If having a staffer who has worked as a lobbyist makes you "on the take," I wonder what it means when you take more money from companies like Fannie and Freddie than anybody except Chris Dodd. More than, say, 352 other lawmakers, going back to 1989.

Seems like time for a response ad. "When the highly-paid CEOs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac felt reformers closing in, they needed a defender. They knew where to send their money. The Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd... and Barack Obama. They gave Obama more than $126,000, in less than four years. While Fannie and Freddie was running aground, Dodd, Obama, and Congress looked elsewhere. Ask yourself who can really bring change to Washington, and keep our financial system from running aground." http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/p...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Speaking power to the truth...

"If we're going to ask questions about, you know, who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily," Obama said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHOOPS!!!!

$126,000 From Fannie and Freddie? In Four Years?

Obama has two new ads up, both highlighting McCain advisers who have been employed as lobbyists.

If having a staffer who has worked as a lobbyist makes you "on the take," I wonder what it means when you take more money from companies like Fannie and Freddie than anybody except Chris Dodd. More than, say, 352 other lawmakers, going back to 1989.

Seems like time for a response ad. "When the highly-paid CEOs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac felt reformers closing in, they needed a defender. They knew where to send their money. The Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd... and Barack Obama. They gave Obama more than $126,000, in less than four years. While Fannie and Freddie was running aground, Dodd, Obama, and Congress looked elsewhere. Ask yourself who can really bring change to Washington, and keep our financial system from running aground." http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/p......

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Devastating Video, Obama talks about job Ayers gave him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McCain Responds to Obama's Reported Undermining of the Commander-In-Chief During Wartime

The McCain Campaign has issued a statement responding to the report from Amer Taheri that Sen. Obama secretly negotiated with the Iraqi government regarding U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. McCain spokesman Randy Scheunemann stated as follows:

At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq's Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama's judgment and it demands an explanation.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Suit has been filed in Federal Court in Philidelphia claming that Barack Obama is not eligible to be President because he is not a natural born citizen.

http://obamacrimes.com/attachments/015_O...

Atty Philip Berg’s suit was given permission by the Court for discovery.

Adding to this news, Senator Obama and the DNC must have their Answer to the complaint filed by September 24, 2008.

The Federal Election Commission has until October 21, 2008.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More McCain-Palin scandal....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/......

Does it EVER end??? They can't keep answering every question "I was a POW" and "I am a woman" forever. They need to grow a pair of consciences between the two of them and just level about all the corruption and scandal. Nah, better yet, let them keep being stupid about it and let it bleed out slowly between now and Nov. 4.

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Let them keep on talking about so-called scandals ... ever-time the Obama surrogates yuk it up ... McCain goes up a point in polls .... I am rooting for you Keith Olberman ... keep up the good work ... *LOL*

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pretty funny coming from "McCain wants a hundred year war with Iraq", or how about "the Ayers commercial was put out by McCain" or how about "McCain didn't support loan guarantees for the auto industry" or an Obama ad plays fast and loose with McCain's voting record on education and proposals as a presidential candidate.

And now it comes out that Obama wants troop cuts delayed just so Bush doesn't get the credit. How low will Obama Kerry go???

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hillary Clinton Supporters Claiming Obama / Caucus fraud ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZFgMNM-...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They need to grow a pair of consciences between the two of them and just level about all the corruption and scandal.
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That's pretty funny since both of them are plagiarizers. And then Obama has problems with Marxists, communists, Arabs, socialists, terrorists, buying votes, trip to Pakistan...

And now this... trying to keep American troops from coming home... just so republicans don't get a bounce from the good news... shouldn't he be thrown in prison for this?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo: Does it EVER end??? He can't keep answering every question with....
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How dare you question my patriotism!!!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Top US Communist-Elect Obama “Go On to Change the World”

Libero Della Piana is New York State chairman of the Communist Party USA, former national organiser of the party and a member of the CPUSA’s 140 strong National Council.

Like virtually all of the CPUSA’s several thousand members and supporters, Della Piana is working to elect Barack Obama to the US Presidency.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And now this... trying to keep American troops from coming home... just so republicans don't get a bounce from the good news... shouldn't he be thrown in prison for this?

Obama is guilty of violating the Logan Act which is a felony ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Mr. Obama:

Iraq was not a mistake. A video from an Iraq veteran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlW...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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As Wall Street collapses, McCain declares that ‘the fundamentals of our economy are strong.’ (VIDEO)

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/as-w......

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The foundation of the markets are sound ... if they were not sound the entire stock market would have come crumbling down. A 500 point move is not a crash. McCain's assessment is correct.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Iraq veterans are supporting Obama 6 to 1. Nice try.

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What was I trying?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In a recent speech Moammar Khadafy tells his people we will soon have a Muslim United States President. This Muslims name is Barack Hussein Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvE-P--2...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I made 150% return on investment today .... bad bad markets ....

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In a recent speech Moammar Khadafy tells his people we will soon have a Muslim United States President. This Muslims name is Barack Hussein Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvE-P--2......

I supposed you didn't watch the video ...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

... and on the lighter side ....

nobama girl ... sings ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkp...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't believe one word you say, now or in the past, so you can save yourself the effort. I don't have anything against you personally but your comments seem to have to appearance of one who's making oneself out to be more than he is. Of course, that's abundantly easy to do in an anonymous online setting such as this.

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you don't have to be believe anything I say .... this is not a popularity contest ...

If you are interested in how you can have a 150% return on investment when the market is going down ... you might want to read this ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put_option

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's what McCain has done for veterans recently:

● Did not support new GI bill legislation because he thought it was too generous and would result in soldiers choosing to go to school instead of reenlisting. This bill passed 75-22 and McCain was one of three Senators who didn't show up to vote. Only after the bill was attached to the war funding request of the Bush administration, did McCain vote for the Webb bill. All 22 votes against the bill were by Republicans.
● Voted against providing at least $19 billion for military health facilities, paid for by eliminating tax cuts for the wealthy.
● Voted against providing $2.8 billion to increase veterans' medical care.
● Voted against establishing a $1 billion trust fund to provide improvements to health facilities that treat veterans and military personnel paid for by allowing dividends and capital gains tax breaks, for those with incomes greater than $1 million, to lapse.
● Voted against increasing medical services to veterans by $1.5 billion in 2007, paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
● In April 2006, McCain was one of 13 Senators to vote against $430 million for medical services for VA outpatient care and treatment for veterans. Despite his vote against, it passed overwhelmingly, 84-13. All 13 voting against were Republicans.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_de.........

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, well, well, it looks like McCain wasn't lying about the sex-ed from K-12 after all:

What, specifically, was the bill designed to do? It appears to have had three major purposes:

The first, as Ronen indicated, was to mandate that information presented in sex-ed classes be “factual,” “medically accurate,” and “objective.”

The second purpose was to increase the number of children receiving sex education. Illinois’ existing law required the teaching of sex education and AIDS prevention in grades six through twelve. The old law read:

Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades 6 through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention, transmission and spread of AIDS.

Senate Bill 99 struck out grade six, changing it to kindergarten, in addition to making a few other changes in wording. It read:

Each class or course in comprehensive sex education in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.

The bill’s third purpose was to remove value-laden language in the old law. For example, the old law contained passages like this:

Course material and instruction shall teach honor and respect for monogamous heterosexual marriage.
Course material and instruction shall stress that pupils should abstain from sexual intercourse until they are ready for marriage…
[Classes] shall emphasize that abstinence is the expected norm in that abstinence from sexual intercourse is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against unwanted teenage pregnancy [and] sexually transmitted diseases…

The proposed bill eliminated all those passages and replaced them with wording like this:

Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV…

The author talks with one of the guys who wrote the bill:

After we discussed other aspects of the bill, I told Martinez that reading the bill, I just didn’t see it as being exclusively, or even mostly, about inappropriate touching. “I didn’t see it that way, either,” Martinez said. “It’s just more information about a whole variety of things that have to go into a sex education class, the things that are outdated that you want to amend with things that are much more current.”

So, I asked, you didn’t see it specifically as being about inappropriate touching?

“Absolutely not.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzI...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets recap Neo... McCain says Obama wanted sex-ed taught to kids as young as kindergarteners. Now, lets look at the wording of the Bill that Obambi voted for:

"Each class or course in comprehensive sex education in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV."

Can you please point out to the other readers of the Ironton Tribune the part where McCain was lying?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The two institutions have long been run not by bankers but by retired political figures, predominantly Democrats. From 1991 to 1998, Fannie Mae was headed by James Johnson, a longtime aide to former Democratic vice president Walter Mondale. Johnson’s successor, Franklin Raines, had served as budget director to Bill Clinton. Jamie Gorelick, vice chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003, served as deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration.

These figures have paid themselves impressive private-sector salaries. Johnson earned US$21-million in just his last year at Fannie Mae. Raines earned US$90-million for five years’ work at Fannie Mae. Gorelick got US$26-million.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

UHOH, more of Obama's radical ties are surfacing...

...A year after graduating from Columbia University, an idealistic Obama spent a year as an organizer for the New York Public Interest Group (NYPIRG) at the City College of New York in Harlem. According to the New York Times, “The job required winning over students on the political left, who would normally disdain a group inspired by Ralph Nader as insufficiently radical, as well as students on the right and those who were not active at all.” [That is a laughably generous description — Ralph Nader is “insufficiently radical” for The New York Times?]

As it happens, I am intimately familiar with PIRG organizing, and I know from firsthand experience that — aside from their radical politics — PIRGs are often corrupt, morally bankrupt, lacking in transparency, and frequently decried as such even by their fellow travelers on the Left. That a young Obama would be involved in it suggests that the young Obama was either very naïve or had very radical politics, or both.

First some background: Originally envisioned and founded by Ralph Nader, PIRGs are grassroots lobbying groups for progressive legislation...

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTk...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HOW can McBush babble on and on about our financial markets being in a crisis, a real crisis, and then say the "fundamentals of our economy are strong"?

Just now on Morning Joe he said HE knew how to fix the economy and if elected president he guarantees this will never happen again. How? Leading economists have said that we can't afford McBush's tac cut for the rich.

Oh, I forgot. He can tax the little guy more and take away entitlements. Wonder if that includes Social Security?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 16, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg agreed with McCain in saying that the "fundamentals of the American economy" are strong.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/15...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0...

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The fundamentals of this economy are strong. The fundamentals are free market, competition i.e capitalism. If Obama thinks that capitalism is broken would he like to fix the economy by replacing it with different fundamentals?

The only others I think of are socialism and communism. Obama needs to tell the American people which fundamentals of this economy he would like to change. I think we deserve an answer.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 16, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a parody ...

How Obama deals with the economic problem:

another Wall Street giant, the Goldman Sachs saddled with bad loans, prime-sub mortgages, high risk derivates and bonds buckled today. The announcement that the Goldman Sachs lost $50 billion in this quarter unnerved the stock market. A massive exodus of funds began sending the ripple effect across the world. President Obama was informed about this development by his Secretary of Treasure, Gov. Corzine of New Jersey, former Chairman of the Goldman Sachs. President Obama called his VP Sen. Biden and asked if this is serious development. Sen. Biden drawing on his 36 years of work in the US Senate unequivocally reinforced President Obama’s opinion. VP Biden received a phone call from his son telling him that he lost all his stocks invested with the Goldman Sachs. Goldmas Sachs stocks after the opening session on Dow Jones dropped 80% to $5. Alarmed Chairman called his colleague Gov. Corzine with a request for an intervention. President Obama has called a meeting of his economic advisers to the Verizon Center hastily rented for this occasion from the Washington Wizards. Over one thousands economic advisers assembled at the center at noon. Another 100 hundred advisers were on their way. President Obama turned on the CNN and watched with his advisers Lou Dobbs commentary on the unveiling crisis on Wall Street. Then selected advisers spoke for three minutes each on this topic. President Obama listened to 97 speakers over a period of 5 hours. Everybody took a break for a dinner served by vendors. President Obama had a hot dog with a pretzel ($10) with a bottle of water ($4). After a recess, President Obama asked pointed questions to 17 speakers. President Obama agreed with his VP Biden that an action is needed. He requested that the advisers divide themselves into 20 teams and present to him their three best options. Around 9 pm. all teams concluded their work. President Obama looked through 20 sets of options and stated that 18 teams included the following options: federal injection of $35 billion to the Goldman Sachs tomorrow morning; 15 teams suggested smaller amounts; 10 teams also included a federal takeover of the firm. President Obama stated that only 1 team suggested no federal intervention whatsoever. President Obama, VP Biden and Secretary Corzine went to the sky box and discussed their final decision. Around 10 pm. President Obama announced through the loudspeakers that the federal government will bail out the Goldman Sachs with a $50 billion cash infusion in the morning. Then he announced that a DJ was invited for those who would like to stay and party. Large crowd of angry basketball fans greeted President Obama outside of the arena. The Washington Wizards game had to be postponed this evening. President Obama invited the crowd inside for the DJ party. Free hats, tea shirts, and coffee mugs with Obama/Biden names were handed out.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HOW can McBush babble on and on about our financial markets being in a crisis, a real crisis, and then say the "fundamentals of our economy are strong"?

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August 28, 2008

(Reuters)—The U.S. economy expanded at a stronger-than-first-reported 3.3% annual rate in the second quarter, as consumer spending and net exports were more robust than initially estimated and inventories fell less sharply, a government report showed on Thursday.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 16, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't you just really hate such terrible economic news? (sarcasm)

All the Doomsayers would have you believe that all is lost and the economy can only recover with the Obama messiah at the helm ... If let alone the market will correct itself.

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Reuters
Consumer prices ease on cheaper energy
Tuesday September 16, 8:36 am ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Consumer prices dropped 0.1 percent in August, the first decline in nearly two years as energy costs fell in a sign that a slowing economy is relieving some inflation pressures, government data showed on Tuesday.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, of course consumer prices fell (somewhere). When there are fewer dollars to spend, a business owner will lower prices slightly to grab as many dollars as he can.

GOOD economic news??? Maybe if you're the Lehman CEO with a golden parachute of $22 MILLION DOLLARS!

Dumya and McBush couldn't have five pennies each and get them to add up to ten cents.

THEY just don't get "this economic thing".

Now if only you and pad would "self-correct" yourselves.

BTW, the Dow plummeted another 100 points at starting bell.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 16, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, of course consumer prices fell (somewhere). When there are fewer dollars to spend, a business owner will lower prices slightly to grab as many dollars as he can.

GOOD economic news??? Maybe if you're the Lehman CEO with a golden parachute of $22 MILLION DOLLARS!

Dumya and McBush couldn't have five pennies each and get them to add up to ten cents.

THEY just don't get "this economic thing".

Now if only you and pad would "self-correct" yourselves.

BTW, the Dow plummeted another 100 points at starting bell.

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American's are not quite as dumb as you would like to believe. Yes there are economic problems. But it is all not all gloom and doom either. Actually it is Obama that doesn't get the ecomonic thing ... oh ... quick ... I think he actually does, but he is just pandering ... and preying on the fears of Americans. This is a Saul Alinsky mind trick ... talk bad about a topic ... get people to buy into your imagery ... then when you have people believing all hope is lost ... given them the solution ... hey!! Everybody ... the messiah will fix EVERYTHING!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 16, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is how the Obama (messiah) is working inside the system ....

"There's another reason for working inside the system.

Dostoevski

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dostoevski

said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people.

They must feel SO FRUSTRATED, SO DEFEATED, SO LOST, SO FUTURELESS in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution.

--- From Rules For Radicals - Saul David Alinsky

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 16, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some interesting points about Monday's 500 point drop in the market ...

1987 Crash ... 508 Points on the Dow - 22.6% loss

Monday 9/15/2008 - 504 Points on the Dow - 4.4% loss

----------------- Of course everyone reacts emotionally ...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pad, to begin with I'm hoping, no, I'm counting on America to be at their sharpest on election day. I want them to see that in every sense that matters, the USA is in terrible shape after eight LONG years of failed Dumya policies. I want them to see McBush for exactly what he is, an angry extension of Dumya.

And McBush, the self-admitted "I don't get this economy thing" old geyser, says HE has the RIGHT plan to fix the economy. And in the next sentence, says there's NOTHING WRONG with the economy???? Then, WHY, Mother of GOD do you have a plan to fix that which isn't broken?

McBush is so shallow, fake and full of himself that he can't see the puppet strings coming out his back.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 16, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MasterChef ... you have described the Democratic party ... angry ... shaken and falling apart ...

Also, McCain has never said that there was nothing wrong with the economy ... he said the foundations of the ecomomy were sound ... there is a big difference ...

Also, the fake, shallow and full of himself ... describes Obama the messiah, the savior of the US ... to a Tee ...

The real problem with Obama is ... the American people don't trust him ... and they don't know him ... even the polls have proven that fact ...

btw ... the markets were so terrible today ... (sarcasm in case you don't recognize it) ... Dow ... up 141 points ...

of course to listen to liberals talk ... the sky is falling ....

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 16, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is how deceitful Obama is .... and desparate ...

Fiorina: Obama Camp ‘Deceitful’ in Clipping My Quote

Barack Obama’s campaign was “deceitful” when it clipped part of an interview in which Republican Victory 2008 Chairwoman Carly Fiorina said John McCain was not qualified to be the head of a corporation, Fiorina said Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, Fiorina, the former CEO of Hewlett-Packard, appeared on MSNBC, where she said none of the candidates is qualified to run a major corporation, but that should not prevent them from running the country.

“I don’t think John McCain could run a major corporation. I don’t think Barack Obama could run a major corporation. I don’t think Joe Biden could run a major corporation. But on the other hand a major corporation is not the same as being the president or vice president of the United States,” Fiorina said.

“It is a fallacy to suggest that the country is like a company. So of course to run a business you have to have a lifetime of experience in business, but that’s not what Sarah Palin, John McCain, Joe Biden or Barack Obama are doing,” she said.

But the Obama campaign, pointing to a version of Fiorina’s statement that was clipped after the first sentence, berated McCain for not winning the trust of even his own supporters.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's what McCain has done for veterans recently:

● Did not support new GI bill legislation because he thought it was too generous and would result in soldiers choosing to go to school instead of reenlisting. This bill passed 75-22 and McCain was one of three Senators who didn't show up to vote. Only after the bill was attached to the war funding request of the Bush administration, did McCain vote for the Webb bill. All 22 votes against the bill were by Republicans.
● Voted against providing at least $19 billion for military health facilities, paid for by eliminating tax cuts for the wealthy.
● Voted against providing $2.8 billion to increase veterans' medical care.
● Voted against establishing a $1 billion trust fund to provide improvements to health facilities that treat veterans and military personnel paid for by allowing dividends and capital gains tax breaks, for those with incomes greater than $1 million, to lapse.
● Voted against increasing medical services to veterans by $1.5 billion in 2007, paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
● In April 2006, McCain was one of 13 Senators to vote against $430 million for medical services for VA outpatient care and treatment for veterans. Despite his vote against, it passed overwhelmingly, 84-13. All 13 voting against were Republicans.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_de............