Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 12, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Crawford,

Yes we need to do something about energy besides talk. However where are you living? Under a rock? McCain is talking more than just drilling and Nuclear.

McCain has

Issed a Clean Car Challenge

Proposed A $300 Million Prize To Improve Battery Technology For Full Commercial Development Of Plug-In Hybrid And Fully Electric Automobiles

Supports Flex-Fuel Vehicles (FFVs) And Believes They Should Play A Greater Role In Our Transportation Sector

Believes Alcohol-Based Fuels Hold Great Promise As Both An Alternative To Gasoline And As A Means of Expanding Consumers' Choices

Will Effectively Enforce Existing CAFE Standards

By the way General Motors will be offering a vehicle that will get the equivalent of 100 Miles Per Gallon in the model year 2010.

Believes That The U.S. Must Become A Leader In A New International Green Economy

Will Commit $2 Billion Annually To Advancing Clean Coal Technologies

Will Put His Administration On Track To Construct 45 New Nuclear Power Plants By 2030 With The Ultimate Goal Of Eventually Constructing 100 New Plants

Will Establish A Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D

Will Encourage The Market For Alternative, Low Carbon Fuels Such As Wind, Hydro And Solar Power.

Will Move The United States Toward Electricity Grid And Metering Improvements To Save Energy

------- to say that John McCain just wants to drill drill drill is not accurate.

Yes he supporting drilling, because American's need immediate relief at the pump and all of the solutions to engery will take time. The need for petroleum will not go away immediately.

So while I agree with you on the basic premise of your submission, I disagree with you on your slanted view of Candidate McCain's approach to the problem.

How about being fair when you write articles?

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is Sen. Obama's plan for America's Energy Challenge:

Obama’s comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

Provide short‐term relief to American families facing pain at the pump

Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years
to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.

Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined

Put 1 million Plug‐In Hybrid cars – cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon – on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America

Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025

Implement an economy‐wide cap‐and‐trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 12, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is Sen. Obama's plan for America's Energy Challenge:

Obama’s comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

Provide short‐term relief to American families facing pain at the pump

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? Obama is not for drilling.

Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years
to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? Where is the money coming from?

Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? This is just a general statement. How is Obama going to cause this to happen?

Put 1 million Plug‐In Hybrid cars – cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon – on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? GM has a car already in the works. What did Obama have to do with that? Nothing ... Is Obama going to have the government open up car manufacturing plants? How about letting the free market do that.

Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? What renewable resources?

Implement an economy‐wide cap‐and‐trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050

---- How Is Obama Going to Do this? Electric and Natural Gas cars will completely eliminate green house emissions.

Sounds just like talk to me ...

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, I THINK I've created a blog. Not sure, I'm not a blogger. The name is Recipe_master's box Help if you can

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"We do know that if we could consume less it would reduce the price of energy. And if we could produce our own energy we could stop making the Middle East economically central to our needs."

We can produce our own energy cheaply and without producing greenhouse gases. It's called nuclear

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 12:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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SARAH PALIN interview CHARLIE GIBSON

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD3Yk9RZR...

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Democrats on Capitol Hill fear Obama fallout

...“There is a growing sense of doom among Democrats I have spoken to . . . People are going crazy, telling the campaign ‘you’ve got to do something’.”...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c2f69ce-8031-...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And just for Neo, I found this article: If You Like Michigan's Economy, You'll Love Obama's

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12212628...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The ABCs of Palin

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...

neo

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, I've noticed your questions to my original post. Why do you question Obama's methods and let McBush have a free pass? The answers to most of your questions are on Obama's website. Check it out. I've got lots of Tribune to learn. :)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Did somebody mention Keith Olbermann?" Dobbs asked rhetorically. "By the way - I was delighted to hear that - well, let me say, let me put it this way just very clearly - I'm a petty and venal person. I and Tony [Perkins, president of the Family Research Council], I'm confessing in front of everyone here, but the man is hanging by a highly medicated string.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

'She's one of us': Palin wins over Obama women
Jessica Goral had pretty much made up her mind two weeks ago: she was going to vote for Barack Obama. Then John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.

“She empowers a lot of women,” says Mrs Goral, a mother of two in Macomb County - a national bellwether in the battleground state of Michigan and an area rich in white, working class swing voters who will play a major role in deciding November’s election.

“I like that she’s a brand new mother, and that she has the courage to stand behind her pregnant daughter. She relates to working women. For all of us who have children at home but have to go to work every day – she has given us a sense that we can still do it and can still be an excellent mum.

“Sarah Palin is a role model. She’s made me more likely to vote Republican.” ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Panic sets in for Obama, Democrats

By Jim Wooten | Friday, September 12, 2008, 09:04 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Barack Obama knows it. The election he had in the bag is slipping away.

The selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as John McCain’s running mate has so thrown him off stride, as it has most other Democrats, that all the momentum he had has vanished. He’s getting panicky advice from everywhere. He intends to launch more and sharper attacks, abandoning any pretense of a new and different, more civil campaign.

Democrats know something, and desperation is setting in. They have a novice campaigner who wanders off message. With every advantage in the primaries, Obama couldn’t win the big states — New York, New Jersey, Ohio and Pennsylvania — against Hillary Clinton, even when he got to define the rules for running against him. She could never risk alienating the base she’ll need in 2012; John McCain and Sarah Palin have no such constraints — hence the panic...

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/share...

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did Neo post the entire unedited video of Palin/Gibson, or is it the one that was edited to make Palin look like she calls Iraq a "Holy War"?

It is really sad if you posted the edited version because that would mean you are trying to sway people's opinions with lies.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Vil, maybe this will help you understand the media:

Hurricanes are not the only forces of nature causing damage these days. Gustav and Ike may have ripped the roofs off many buildings, but hurricane Sarah has devastated what was left of the mainstream media’s pretensions toward even-handedness. The curious thing about the Palin Payload is that (so far) the most conspicuous damage has been inflicted not directly by Governor Palin but, jujitsu-like, by the media’s efforts to destroy her. It’s been a spectacle of auto-immolation precipitated by the media’s confrontation with a phenomenon whose nature they misunderstood and whose power they gravely underestimated. That phenomenon may be personified by Sarah Palin. But really it is only incidentally related to the Governor of Alaska. At bottom, the phenomenon is synonymous with traditional middle American values. What we have witnessed is the not-so-silent majority recoiling in disdain and loathing from the media’s transparently partisan efforts to discredit someone about whom they knew exactly nothing except 1) she was John McCain’s pick for VP (why had’t they been informed?) and 2) she seemed unaccountably popular (they would fix that). http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/200...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 4:23 p.m.

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, I've noticed your questions to my original post. Why do you question Obama's methods and let McBush have a free pass? The answers to most of your questions are on Obama's website. Check it out. I've got lots of Tribune to learn. :)

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Why has Obama been given a free pass by the entire liberal media? Inquiring minds want to know ...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The entire interview is not available on YouTube. Since the complete "ABC News / Nightline / 20/20" set was not available, I posted the first segment from ABC news.

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Free pass? The man's life has been under a microscope since he declared.

Pad, nobody needs to make Palin look lihe a fool. She does perfectly well by herself. This is the SAME woman who, until tapped by McBush, who admitted she knew very little about the war!? Whose igloo has she been hiding in? One thing I find familiar about her, just like Dumya, Cheny, Rumsfeld, Rice and McBush...she is extremely arrogant.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Olberman responds to Lou Dobbs:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...

neo

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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John McCain's ads are LIES. Here's the video proof.

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And Obama's ads aren't lies? How about Obama's ad that states he doesn't know anything about the internet.

quotes from a 2000 Forbes article:

McCain himself was convinced early on that the Internet had to play a critical role in the campaign. Time and again it allowed him to leverage his money and his organization. "In the Virginia primary," McCain told me, "we needed a lot of petitions signed to get on the ballot. We had the form available to download off the Internet and got 17,000 signatures with very little trouble."

Ultimately, McCain realized he couldn't go the distance, but the message was clear to any political organization with hopes for the future. His Web team had played the Internet like a Stradivari. . . .

In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate's savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. "She's a whiz on the keyboard, and I'm so laborious," McCain admits.

So let me get this straight... Obama is picking on McCain because of a physical disability???

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Free pass? The man's life has been under a microscope since he declared.
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Yes, under a microscope and every action cheered by the MSM. Even Hillary supporters acknowledge it.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 7:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You people need to read a newspaper once in a while. Here we sit, in the wreckage and failure of eight years of republican rule, and Noesis thinks it's useful to share an interview with someone who likes Sarah Palin because she's a mother, and she had the "courage" to stand by her pregnant teenage daughter. Yep, Noesis, that's what we're looking for in a leader.
The campaign is less and less about Sarah Palin as the mean old media becomes more and more insistent that some discussion of the issues is necessary. Issues are dangerous territory for republicans, but it's dumb to think they can avoid them, and dumber to refuse to prop Palin up in front of a camera until the press agrees to be "deferential" toward her. Maybe they're thinking of North Korea and Dear Leader - the American press doesn't do deferential. It's corporate: General Electric, Rupert Murdoch, Time-Warner, and it does whatever will attract viewers and advertising revenue. Its employees, who follow politicians around 24/7, taking note of everything they say and do, have apparently decided they'll all hang themselves if old Uncle Fester gets anywhere near the oval office. Makes you wonder.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

keta,

Where have you been? living under a rock with Jim Crawford?? Who has been ruling the roost for the last two years? A democrat controlled congress!

This election is not about Sarah Palin, but the dim witted liberal media that supports Obama made it about Sarah Palin.

Also if you were not blind you would see that Sarah Palin has more leadership qualities in her pinkie than Senator Obama has as a whole.

Obama doesn't have a clue what the normal American struggles through on a day by day basis. He only knows what his advisers have told him.

Sarah Palin and her family have lived the struggle as a typical Americans. Obama is nothing more than a go along, get along yes man with no backbone or common decency.

Also before going off half-cocked about not talking the issues why don't you point some fingers at the Obama campaign who has allowed themselves to go off message all because of some "nobody" from Alaska.

Where is that different campaign that Obama promised to wage? Their excuse ... we can't let the opposition lie about us ... sounds like a bunch of whiners to me ....

I would love to see Obama go whining to Putin about Georgia ... please please ... leave Georgia alone ... they are members of Nato and we promised to protect them. Don't make me have to go to war or defend Georgia. My liberal friends wouldn't like it if I had to go to war.

Holy crap ... go to war? With what? Obama would dismantal the military just like the idiot Bubby Clinton did just so he could say he balanced the budget.

When Obama was interviewed by O'Reilly couldn't say he would use the force of the military to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. All he could say is, "I would not take military action off of the table". Obama is weak and follows the orders of his liberal leadership. If Obama becomes President this nation will suffer severly.

As for the press, the liberal media can all go live in Canada and Mexico when McCain is elected.

Maybe the liberal media will like their health care system better.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta, I read newspapers constantly. I'm still trying to find this wreckage and failure you talk about though. What, unemployment is 1% higher right now than when it was during the Clinton years? Wreckage and failure more aptly decribes the Carter presidency. Is that what we want by electing Obama for a second Carter term?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

During Carter's administration, the economy suffered double-digit inflation (13.5), coupled with very high interest rates (18%), oil shortages, high unemployment (7%) and slow economic growth. Productivity growth in the United States had declined to an average annual rate of 1 percent, compared to 3.2 percent of the 1960s.

And Keta has the gall to say the Bush administration is a wreckage and failure??? Somebody needs to read history.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I would love to see Obama go whining to Putin about Georgia ... please please ... leave Georgia alone ... they are members of Nato and we promised to protect them."
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Obama wanted to go to the U.N. Security council and get the security council to "condem" Russia for invading Georgia...

Only one problem with that.... Obama forgot that Russia was on the council and would veto any such resolution.

Obama has 300 foriegn security advisors and that's the advise he gets?????!!!!!!!!

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, where to start? You're a full-time job. As you just said, "Go to war? With what?" Let's see.....broken military, empty treasury, failing economy, a dollar valued so low we've become the bargain basement of the world, largest debtor nation on earth, ten trillion dollar debt, more home foreclosures and bankruptcies than at any time since the great depression, four thousand-plus Americans dead in the most useless and endless war in history, zero credibility, fifty million uninsured, energy, insurance, financial, and investment policy written by the lobbyists who run our government....are you kidding? Dust the Cheeto crumbs out of your lap and step outside.....you won't believe what's happened.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Free pass? The man's life has been under a microscope since he declared.

Pad, nobody needs to make Palin look lihe a fool. She does perfectly well by herself. This is the SAME woman who, until tapped by McBush, who admitted she knew very little about the war!? Whose igloo has she been hiding in? One thing I find familiar about her, just like Dumya, Cheny, Rumsfeld, Rice and McBush...she is extremely arrogant.

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You are confusing arrogance and confidence ...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL Keta, how about dealing with some facts? "more home foreclosures and bankruptcies than at any time since the great depression" Can you back that up with real numbers or like Neo, you just like throwing things out?

Look at these foreclosure rates and then try saying that we have had higher numbers than at any other time than the great depression.

http://www.moneyvsdebt.com/2007/06/21/fo...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And Keta, here's a graph from the Bankruptcy institute that shows that you have no idea what you are talking about:

http://www.abiworld.org/statcharts/Consu...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta, lets take a look at your "50 million unisured"

7 million are illegal immigrants. Why do I want to pay for their insurance?

roughly 9 million are persons on Medicaid. Are you saying that they have no coverage?

3.5 million are persons already eligible for government health programs. They get enrolled as soon as they go to the hospital or Doctors.

Approximately 20 million have, or live, in families with incomes greater than twice the federal poverty level, or $41,300 for a family of four. It is their choice not to buy insurance. You can't say that they can't afford it.

The majority of those left that have no insurance are those in between jobs.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

keta,

Quit hiding your head in the sand ... the foreclosures going on are because individuals got THEMSELVES in a pickle by picking up sub-prime mortgages. Of course I blame the lenders too .... If a john gets caught picking up the hooker who is to blame? Both are ... Potential home owners were greedy and got into mortgages they could not afford and lenders were greedy in offering the product to people that under normal conditions would not qualify. Now Washington has created another mess and entitlement just to clean up the mess.

I say let the cookie crumble, even Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Leman and every other investment house / bank that is failing. What is going on as far as bail outs is nothing more than welfare.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"four thousand-plus Americans dead in the most useless and endless war in history"

Why is it that liberals put out statements without thinking how totally without facts they are?

Vietnam war - 1965-1975 total dead: 58,000 Americans

Now Keta, do you think we can have a discussion without baseless rhetoric?

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 13, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One Democrat That's Defending Sarah Palin - It isn't Lieberman.

Illinois Democratic governor and Barack Obama supporter Rod Blagojevich is taking his own party to task for belittling Sarah Palin's experience. Blagojevich said on a Chicago radio station Thursday, "Governors every day have to make decisions for better or for worse. That's part of the job. It's an executive position... I think it's a tactical mistake for the Democrats to question Governor Palin's experience when she's been governor of a state."

Blagojevich added that criticizing the size of Governor Palin's electorate is also a mistake. "I don't think the size of the state is relevant. It's the kinds of decisions you have to make as governor," he said.

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I bet it just sickens Obama supporters to read something like this ... To think ... a nobody from Alaska has more executive experience than Barack Obama.

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, honest to God I don't know who is the most "full of it" -- you or noesis. HOW did the repukes brainwash you so thoroughly? Perhaps you are one of those RARE individuals who actually are better under Dumya than before. But, how many friends/neighbors do you have that can say that?

We have had enormous, I mean enourmous financial failures since Dumya. Enron, CitiGroup, Merrill Lynch, Countrywide Financial, Washington Mutual, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and now Washington is preparing for a massive number of bank failures.

The housing market is in shambles, people are losing their homes, Dumya and his people have still not kept their "Katrina" promises, but Iraq has all new infrastructure paid for by the U.S. and Iraq STILL has around $80 Billion dollars from their oil sales, supposedly in U.S. Banks. Hopefully their money is in the next bank to fail.

In addition to Palin's and the repukes arrogance, let me add ignorance.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, again, where to start? I called the Iraq war "useless and endless" and you respond by comparing body counts? Now, if I'd said the "most useless and endless war with the highest body count", and you'd chimed in with, No, that was Vietnam! you'd have been right for once. Just out of curiosity, do you ever just read about something, and sort of absorb it because you're interested in it, and use what you've learned in conversation? These long lists of references and web sites are tedious. Do you have any opinions that you came up with all by yourself?

Posted by Vil (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 2:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You should ask the same question to the people who continually post links blasting Sarah Palin and McCain which are completely false.

I like people who talk in facts, not people who post links and try to smear people with untruths and lies.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 6:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noesis, again, where to start? I called the Iraq war "useless and endless" and you respond by comparing body counts?
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No Keta, your exact words were "four thousand-plus Americans dead in the most useless and endless war in history"

See the difference between liberals and republicans Keta is that liberals are emotion based and republicans are factual based.

That's why things to you are worse than anytime since the great depression. That's not a factual statement but that is your gut feeling.

That's also why liberals don't have a problem with lying or corruption. As long as it serves the greater good, it's acceptable.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 6:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by expletive_deleted (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, honest to God I don't know who is the most "full of it" -- you or noesis. HOW did the repukes brainwash you so thoroughly? Perhaps you are one of those RARE individuals who actually are better under Dumya than before. But, how many friends/neighbors do you have that can say that?

We have had enormous, I mean enourmous financial failures since Dumya. Enron, CitiGroup, Merrill Lynch, Countrywide Financial, Washington Mutual, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and now Washington is preparing for a massive number of bank failures.
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Recipe_master, uhmmmm... are you sure you want to use Enron as an example since it went bankrupt in 2001? I'm sure it's corrupt practices were in place long before Bush took the office.

And... can you show me the piece of legislation that Bush signed that led to this??? Waiting, waiting, waiting... yep, that's right, you can't.

So, are you saying that this wouldn't have happened if Kerry was president??

The major cause of the housing meltdown was allowing poor people to claim a higher income than they actually had.

Do you actually believe that if democrats were in charge, democrats would have placed tougher restrictions on poor people buying houses???

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta said: Just out of curiosity, do you ever just read about something, and sort of absorb it because you're interested in it, and use what you've learned in conversation? These long lists of references and web sites are tedious. Do you have any opinions that you came up with all by yourself?
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Actually Keta I've read a lot of stuff and absorbed it. That's why when you start with your mostly empty rhetoric, I know right off what is mostly chaff and identify the few kernels of wheat in there.

Most of your rhetoric isn't based in fact. I'll post the link so that it's not just a he said / she said. People can see for themselves who is telling the truth and who is making things up.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pad, of course I'll include Enron. Like all the other failures listed above, it was regulated/overseen by a gov't agency. It was up to Dumya to put competant people in the oversight positions. He failed, as usual.

What piece of legislation did he sign? NONE. That's the problem. He had "trusted and loyal friends" at the helm.

The housing crash? Again, Dumya. Signs of pending implosions were evident everywhere for years before the "bubble" burst. Dumya allowed the rich at the top to siphon off Billions before the fed took over.

In every category except making the rich richer, Dumya has crashed and burned.

Thanks to Dumya, Obama will have many fires to put out and fences to mend.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MasterChef, Why didn't Clinton assign competant people to those oversite positions?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey MasterChef, just found this... A scathing federal regulator's report blames "an arrogant and unethical culture" at Fannie Mae for manipulated earnings that led executives to reap huge bonuses. The report also says the mortgage finance giant used its lobbying clout to prod Congress to reduce oversight of the company.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...

Oh, so now it's congress's fault... I thought is was Bush's?

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Surely a few of those links you inflict on everyone explained about republicans and deregulation. That means lifting regulations, which usually are in place for a reason, so that businesses can run wide open without having to be concerned about what might happen a few miles down the road. That's how Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were able to guarantee bad loans. They did what corporations have quickly learned to do under an administration that LOVES them some corporations - privatize the profits, socialize the losses. That means you and I didn't share in the enormous mortgage industry profits, but we have to pay the bills now that the bubble has burst.

Posted by keta (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That statement "republicans are factual-based" isn't just ungrammatical, it's hilarious. At the risk of having to scroll through twenty web addresses featuring 15-year-old articles about Bill Clinton, lying is one of the top two or three things this election is about.
McCain and Palin, lying about the issues and their own records, understand that everybody bright enough to understand what's going on is firmly in the Obama camp. Their speeches and ads are very obviously aimed at rural voters with ninth grade educations. Like the ad with little children and ominous music and a voice-over that says Obama supported "comprehensive sex education for kindergarteners". Since everybody who understands what's happening there wouldn't vote for McCain anyway, why not go for it? And why not say you're a Washington outsider who plans to clean up all that dirty old corruption, why not claim you said No thanks to the bridge to nowhere? Everyone who knows better is out knocking on doors for Obama, and there's a rich vein of good old boys and girls to be mined. There are only two kinds of voters this time: those who don't know they're being lied to, and those who are sick to death of being lied to.

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

noesis, still deflecting by blaming others, I see.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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30 Physicians Call on McCain to Release His Medical Records

http://therealmccain.com/doctors/

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Report: Palin Did Not Visit Iraq

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tra...

"RENO, Nev. -- Aides to Gov. Sarah Palin spent Saturday scrambling to explain details of her only trip outside North America in the wake of a report that that trip did not include travel into Iraq, as the McCain-Palin campaign had initially claimed."

Neo: The number of times Obama had visited Iraq was a BIG DEAL to McCain earlier this summer. The gist of McCain's point was, "How can someone who's visited Iraq as few times as Obama be qualified to be commander in chief?"

Apparently, McCain has a different set of standards for his running mate than he has for his opponent. I would think, as the patriot he is, McCain would have the same standard for anyone who might move into the office of commander in chief.

Posted by MamaIron (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There's a real danger to ignorance, and it appears some folks, especially republicans, are blindly allowing this ignorance to guide them.

Doom and gloom for the Democrats? Absolutely not. Doom and gloom for the McCain-Palin ticket? You bet. As the Bible says, the man that builds his house on sinking sand will suffer a great ruin of that house when the winds blow and the heavy rains fall. Such will be the case with McCain-Palin. Their campaign is built on lies. A foundation of lies cannot keep a campaign strong. The republican ticket will fall and fail, and great will be its ruin.

You'll see this happening in God's own time.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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[video] Tina Fey hilarious as Sarah Palin on SNL

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/13...

If you missed it, get it while you can. It's not on YouTube anymore due to NBC copyright claims. You can still see it here though.

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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[video] Tina Fey hilarious as Sarah Palin on SNL

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/v...

Better copy. Click the bottom-left button on the video player to view full screen. Hilarious....Tina's on the money (and probably just as qualified to be VP;)

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Forum sells 'Obama Waffles' with racial stereotype:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washingt...

Anybody reading the article above should be disgusted. However, I have no doubt that 2 or 3 of the most outspoken commenters against Obama would find this to be just wonderfully amusing sattire.

I believe that we are dealing with a few individuals who have a deep-seated hatred of the Senator from Illinois. These people are not FOR McCain.

They say they are against Obama because he stands for redistribution of the wealth -- These commenters DO NOT HAVE enough wealth to be distributed to anyone.

They said he didn't have enough experience - Now they're embracing someone who doesn't meet McCain's own standard as noted in this video...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...

So, why is it that our outspoken "friends" have such a clear and visceral hatred for Barack Obama? Go back to the "Obama Waffles" article.

There are those among us who see Obama just as depicted on the "Obama Waffle" box which the Values Voter Summit "did not realize" displayed ''offensive material.''

Obama is portrayed with popping eyes and big, thick lips as he stares at a plate of waffles and smiles broadly. The boxes placed Obama in Arab-like headdress which recalls the false rumor that he is a follower of Islam, though he is actually a Christian.

Everything you say is literally dripping with hatred. You FEAR the idea that you may someday have to call a black man "the most powerful man in the world." You cynically accuse me of bringing race into this conversation. Race is the ONLY thing on your minds and your outrage reflects the thought process of someone you've brought up more than once during this election cycle...Adolph Hitler. He said the biggest lie is the one that the people are most likely to believe.

The lie that race isn't the prime motivating factor for these "Obama haters" shows they know exactly what Hitler meant about big lies.

The observations in this post are my opinions, not proven facts. Anyone who may be offended and think I'm talking about you, please note I have'nt singled out anyone by their user name nor have I provided any snippets of comments which would make it easy to identify you.

If you find yourself relating to some of the "Obama hater" thought process described above, please feel free to reply. Otherwise, dismiss this post without comment and move forward with a clear conscience.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 5:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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"Judgement"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpIfTDHG...

This spot is going up in Ohio tomorrow and for the following week in Michigan.

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 6:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keta, I read newspapers constantly. I'm still trying to find this wreckage and failure you talk about though. What, unemployment is 1% higher right now than when it was during the Clinton years? Wreckage and failure more aptly decribes the Carter presidency.

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Greenspan: This Is The Worst Economy I've Ever Seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO9idrZs3...

We are NOT better off than we were 8 years ago. For that matter, we are not better off than we were during the Carter years. This is per Alan Greenspan, Fed Chairman nominated by the one and only Ronald Reagan.

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 6:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by padanorr (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McCain has
Issed a Clean Car Challenge

- Wow, big deal. Could this possibly be more vague?

Proposed A $300 Million Prize To Improve Battery Technology For Full Commercial Development Of Plug-In Hybrid And Fully Electric Automobiles

- Just like a "Maverick." Put out a bounty to get someone else to do the job for you. Maybe Kennedy should've given out lottery tickets to the first company to put a man on the moon.

Supports Flex-Fuel Vehicles (FFVs) And Believes They Should Play A Greater Role In Our Transportation Sector

- A car that runs on gasoline or any blend of up to 85% ethanol....the most inefficient fuel we have.

Believes Alcohol-Based Fuels Hold Great Promise As Both An Alternative To Gasoline And As A Means of Expanding Consumers' Choices

- Covered in the last point.

Will Effectively Enforce Existing CAFE Standards

- Great, enforce existing standards. Truly impressive.

Believes That The U.S. Must Become A Leader In A New International Green Economy

- Who cares what he believes. I don't see a plan here.

Will Commit $2 Billion Annually To Advancing Clean Coal Technologies

- We're already milking coal for all it's worth. This is merely a gesture meant to appeal to environmentalists.

Will Put His Administration On Track To Construct 45 New Nuclear Power Plants By 2030 With The Ultimate Goal Of Eventually Constructing 100 New Plants

- Sounds great but we wouldn't see any of this until, oh, probably 20 years after McCain is dead and buried.

Will Establish A Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D

- More ways of funneling money to big corporations.

Will Encourage The Market For Alternative, Low Carbon Fuels Such As Wind, Hydro And Solar Power.

- And exactly how is he going to "Encourage the Market?" .

Will Move The United States Toward Electricity Grid And Metering Improvements To Save Energy

- Pretty much what's in Obama's platform, just less specific here in McCain's plan.

How about this? It's a lot more in line with Obama's plan but it is from an independent source, oil billionaire T. Boone Pickens. I think it's safe to say he knows a little more about the energy business than any politician. Here's HIS plan...

http://www.pickensplan.com/index.php

Note the similarities in his plan and Obama's like, for example, the key role of wind power in the electrical grid. His proposal for utilizing natural gas for transportation is completely compatible with Obama's plan.

Pickens says we can't drill our way out of this and nuclear, while it has it's place, is not a short term solution. This leaves McCain pretty much empty handed short of a bounty and a few platitudes with no specifics.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama's energy plan is just as empty as his promise to lower the amount of taxes 95% of the American people pay.

How can Obama lower the amount of taxes on 95% of the American people when 40% of the American people pay no federal taxes??????

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who's fault is the housing market fiasco???

In October 1992, a brief debate unfolded on the floor of the House of Representatives over a bill to create a new regulator for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. On one side stood Jim Leach, an Iowa Republican concerned that Congress was "hamstringing" this new regulator at the behest of the companies.

He warned that the two companies were changing "from being agencies of the public at large to money machines for the stockholding few."

On the other side stood Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who said the companies served a public purpose. They were in the business of lowering the price of mortgage loans.

Congress chose to create a weak regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight. The agency was required to get its budget approved by Congress, while agencies that regulated banks set their own budgets. That gave congressional allies an easy way to exert pressure.

"Fannie Mae's lobbyists worked to insure that [the] agency was poorly funded and its budget remained subject to approval in the annual appropriations process," OFHEO said more than a decade later in a report on Fannie Mae. "The goal of senior management was straightforward: to force OFHEO to rely on the [Fannie] for information and expertise to the degree that Fannie Mae would essentially regulate itself." ...
Finally, Congress ordered that the companies be required to keep more capital as a cushion against losses if they invested in riskier securities. But the rule was never set during the Clinton administration, which came to office that winter, and was only put in place nine years later.

The Clinton administration wanted to expand the share of Americans who owned homes, which had stagnated below 65 percent throughout the 1980s. Encouraging the growth of the two companies was a key part of that plan.

"We began to stress homeownership as an explicit goal for this period of American history," said Henry Cisneros, then Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. "Fannie and Freddie became part of that equation."

The result was a period of unrestrained growth for the companies. They had pioneered the business of selling bundled mortgage loans to investors and now, as demand from investors soared, so did their profits. ...
As early as 1996, the Congressional Budget Office had reported that the two companies were using government support to goose profits, rather than reducing mortgage rates as much as possible. ....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:04 a.m.
Who's fault is the housing market fiasco???
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Noesis, if you could answer that question and the related tangential questions you would be too rich to waste time posting here:)

Bottom line is, fair or not, the President gets credit for what happens on his watch...good or bad. If that were not so, our two candidates would not be spending so much time, money and energy trying to convince us that THEY are the one with the best plan for the economy, for foreign relations, for energy, etc. That's just the way it goes and the history books will give George W. Bush credit for the good, the bad and the ugly from the 8 years he was in the White House.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK3Y1KPzW...

No more kid gloves stuff. He's hitting back. He's hitting hard. Best of all, he's not lying in the process. Enjoy.

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Posted by Vil (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The housing market collapse does not fall on any politicians shoulders or any party.

This happened because greedy bankers (of all political affiliations) gave home loans out to people who couldn't afford them ( of all political affiliations). Now this is coming back to bite these banks and financial institutions in the butt, and it's nobodies fault but the banks and the people who took out the loan and defaulted on it.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VII, I'm not in disagreement with the technicalities of what you're saying. Still, Bush will wind up getting credit for the overall economy for the 8 years he was in office just like Carter did for the 4 years he was in Office (and you can't blame the '70s OPEC fiasco on Carter either).

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How about something new?

http://www.irontontribune.com/weblogs/th...

Enter the blog zone....

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Back over to the economy, the market fell by more than 500 points today. Here's a picture that speaks a thousand words.

http://mi.vimg.net/darwin/cmsdb/images/A...

In the final sentence of the Tribune's article on today's fall (see home page), it says that we could see a run on the banks by election day. Scary stuff.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Greenspan: Economy in 'once-in-a-century' crisis

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/14/news/eco...

In an interview Sunday, the former Federal Reserve chairman said that more financial firms will fail and that housing won't stabilize until 2009.

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK3Y1KPzW......

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Obama not lie? - Where is Obama's honor?

From the NY Post ...

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/pos...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From the Washington Times ...

EDITORIAL: A debate Obama cannot win

Barack Obama's campaign for the presidency is faltering mostly because he misrepresented himself to the American people. He promised new and authentic politics; unity and bipartisanship; and reform of Washington. He touted his impeccable judgement — as evidenced by his early opposition to the Iraq war and the surge. He thus set the terms of the election debate. Yet the very terms he established are the ones he cannot win with. His record simply does not correspond to his rhetoric.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Al Sharpton cant name a single Obama achievement on live national TV

Lets add Al Sharpton to the growing list of poeple who cant name any of Obama's legislative on national TV.

"He hasn't done anything for you, as far as I can tell," O'Reilly began by saying. "Give me one thing that Barack Obama has done for African Americans."

Rev. Sharpton, who has long positioned himself as the unofficial spokesman for the black community, was nonetheless completely (and inexcusably) unprepared for a question about substance. "Barack Obama, in his state legislative career, voted on some very critical issues that expanded business opportunities for people in Illinois," he eqivocated.

So, in his infinite wisdom, Bill O'Reilly drew the only reasonable conclusion available: Sen. Obama has done nothing for African Americans.

O'REILLY: You can sit here for four minutes, and you haven't given me one thing that he's done. ... You don't know what he's done. And I don't know what he's done. Okay, look. ... Here's the deal: We have two brilliant men here. Okay? You and me. Would you agree?

SHARPTON: I'm not going to argue with that.

O'REILLY: Okay. Two brilliant men. Not just smart. We're really brilliant! Neither one of us can point to one thing Barack Obama has done for African Americans.

SHARPTON: Well, first of all --

O'REILLY: Well nothing! That's the fact!

http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/02/sho...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Want the real truth on why our current economic crisis? Watch this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...

Any person who can think and speak in complete sentences will find this to be crystal clear.

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK...no problem padonorr. You don't want a friendly head to head debate that's fine. Just don't jump my back on every other post I make then, OK? I don't have anything against you personally but I'm just tired of seeing all the "Hey neo" remarks.
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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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"Honor" Ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK3Y1KPzW.........

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Obama not lie? - Where is Obama's honor?

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Do I really need to add a post-mortem comment? Where's the honor? Good question.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHOOPS!!!!

$126,000 From Fannie and Freddie? In Four Years?

Obama has two new ads up, both highlighting McCain advisers who have been employed as lobbyists.

If having a staffer who has worked as a lobbyist makes you "on the take," I wonder what it means when you take more money from companies like Fannie and Freddie than anybody except Chris Dodd. More than, say, 352 other lawmakers, going back to 1989.

Seems like time for a response ad. "When the highly-paid CEOs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac felt reformers closing in, they needed a defender. They knew where to send their money. The Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd... and Barack Obama. They gave Obama more than $126,000, in less than four years. While Fannie and Freddie was running aground, Dodd, Obama, and Congress looked elsewhere. Ask yourself who can really bring change to Washington, and keep our financial system from running aground." http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/p...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Speaking power to the truth...

"If we're going to ask questions about, you know, who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily," Obama said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He sure can!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK3Y1KPzW............

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Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yikes....let's try that again. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Rumble young man, rumble!

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Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHOOPS!!!!

$126,000 From Fannie and Freddie? In Four Years?

Obama has two new ads up, both highlighting McCain advisers who have been employed as lobbyists.

If having a staffer who has worked as a lobbyist makes you "on the take," I wonder what it means when you take more money from companies like Fannie and Freddie than anybody except Chris Dodd. More than, say, 352 other lawmakers, going back to 1989.

Seems like time for a response ad. "When the highly-paid CEOs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac felt reformers closing in, they needed a defender. They knew where to send their money. The Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd... and Barack Obama. They gave Obama more than $126,000, in less than four years. While Fannie and Freddie was running aground, Dodd, Obama, and Congress looked elsewhere. Ask yourself who can really bring change to Washington, and keep our financial system from running aground." http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/p......

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sure, let's talk about Freddie and Fannie. Let's talk about the economy. Here you go...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...

"We will never let this happen again." WHO is "we?"

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Devastating Video, Obama talks about job Ayers gave him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McCain Responds to Obama's Reported Undermining of the Commander-In-Chief During Wartime

The McCain Campaign has issued a statement responding to the report from Amer Taheri that Sen. Obama secretly negotiated with the Iraqi government regarding U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. McCain spokesman Randy Scheunemann stated as follows:

At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq's Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama's judgment and it demands an explanation.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The McCain campaign said.....?

"To McCain, the truth is expendable"

Steve Chapman
September 14, 2008

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colum...

Last year, at a campaign event in South Carolina, John McCain called on a woman who had a question about the expected Democratic nominee. "How do we beat the bitch?" she asked. McCain laughed, said, "That's an excellent question," and noted he was leading Hillary Clinton in a poll, before assuring his audience that "I respect Sen. Clinton."

Back then, sexism directed at a candidate for high office did not cause a wave of revulsion in McCain....Now politicians are not saints, and campaigns are not conducted under oath. We all expect a certain amount of deceit from people running for office, in the form of fudging, distortion, exaggeration and omission. But the McCain campaign's approach, as this episode illustrates, is of an entirely different scale and character. It is to normal political attacks what Hurricane Ike is to a drive-through carwash.

Take Palin's claim to have opposed the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere." Long after it was exposed as false, she kept making it. The assumption behind the McCain strategy is that truth is irrelevant...

The ad couldn't be bothered explaining why Obama is wrong about vouchers. Instead, it said his "one accomplishment" was a bill mandating sex education for kindergartners. "Learning about sex before learning to read?" asked the narrator, implying that 5-year-olds would be taught the proper use of condoms before being taught their ABCs. Which, as it happens, is not true.

McCain may be the only candidate who has ever gotten in trouble with FactCheck.org for quoting FactCheck.org. Another commercial showed a photo of Obama while saying the group called the attacks on Palin "false" and "misleading." But the group quickly repudiated the charge.

The FactCheck article, it pointed out, "debunked a number of false or misleading claims that have circulated in chain e-mails and Internet postings regarding Palin." The ad, however, "strives to convey the message that FactCheck.org said 'completely false' attacks on Sarah Palin had come from Sen. Barack Obama. But we said no such thing. We have yet to dispute any claim from the Obama campaign about Palin."...

But McCain has concluded that a fact-based case about Obama isn't enough to prevail in November. So he has chosen to smear his opponent with ridiculous claims that he thinks the American people are gullible enough to believe.

He has charged repeatedly that his opponent is willing to lose a war to win an election. What's McCain willing to lose to become president? Nothing so consequential as a war. Just his soul.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More McCain-Palin scandal....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...

Does it EVER end??? They can't keep answering every question "I was a POW" and "I am a woman" forever. They need to grow a pair of consciences between the two of them and just level about all the corruption and scandal. Nah, better yet, let them keep being stupid about it and let it bleed out slowly between now and Nov. 4.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Suit has been filed in Federal Court in Philidelphia claming that Barack Obama is not eligible to be President because he is not a natural born citizen.

http://obamacrimes.com/attachments/015_O...

Atty Philip Berg’s suit was given permission by the Court for discovery.

Adding to this news, Senator Obama and the DNC must have their Answer to the complaint filed by September 24, 2008.

The Federal Election Commission has until October 21, 2008.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More McCain-Palin scandal....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/......

Does it EVER end??? They can't keep answering every question "I was a POW" and "I am a woman" forever. They need to grow a pair of consciences between the two of them and just level about all the corruption and scandal. Nah, better yet, let them keep being stupid about it and let it bleed out slowly between now and Nov. 4.

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Let them keep on talking about so-called scandals ... ever-time the Obama surrogates yuk it up ... McCain goes up a point in polls .... I am rooting for you Keith Olberman ... keep up the good work ... *LOL*

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pretty funny coming from "McCain wants a hundred year war with Iraq", or how about "the Ayers commercial was put out by McCain" or how about "McCain didn't support loan guarantees for the auto industry" or an Obama ad plays fast and loose with McCain's voting record on education and proposals as a presidential candidate.

And now it comes out that Obama wants troop cuts delayed just so Bush doesn't get the credit. How low will Obama Kerry go???

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hillary Clinton Supporters Claiming Obama / Caucus fraud ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZFgMNM-...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They need to grow a pair of consciences between the two of them and just level about all the corruption and scandal.
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That's pretty funny since both of them are plagiarizers. And then Obama has problems with Marxists, communists, Arabs, socialists, terrorists, buying votes, trip to Pakistan...

And now this... trying to keep American troops from coming home... just so republicans don't get a bounce from the good news... shouldn't he be thrown in prison for this?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neo: Does it EVER end??? He can't keep answering every question with....
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How dare you question my patriotism!!!

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Top US Communist-Elect Obama “Go On to Change the World”

Libero Della Piana is New York State chairman of the Communist Party USA, former national organiser of the party and a member of the CPUSA’s 140 strong National Council.

Like virtually all of the CPUSA’s several thousand members and supporters, Della Piana is working to elect Barack Obama to the US Presidency.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, padanorr, did you take Amy Poehler's advice from the end of the SNL skit? Well, I don't typically "yuk it up" but I do pay attention to all of the corruption that is surfacing on a daily basis. This "sexism" / "You're not allowed to talk about Sarah..." bull has just about worn out it's welcome and run it's course.

Last year, at a campaign event in South Carolina, John McCain called on a woman who had a question about the expected Democratic nominee. "How do we beat the bitch?" she asked. McCain laughed, said, "That's an excellent question..."

Based on the information coming out about how Palin conducted herself while in office, the question McCain chuckled about when posed about a potential adversary might be one that ends up applying to his VP pick. I don't care what she looks like, her political style will make Hillary Clinton look like a girl scout once all of Palin's domineering, intimidating, corrupt and potentially illegal skeletons come out of the closet.

And when is she going to release her tax returns. Did she claim all of her per diems for the nights she slept in her own home and ALL the other shady practices she engaged in with her own compensation??? Let's see who's "yukking" on the day that comes out.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And now this... trying to keep American troops from coming home... just so republicans don't get a bounce from the good news... shouldn't he be thrown in prison for this?

Obama is guilty of violating the Logan Act which is a felony ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, my friend, I will not be provoked to the point of posting crude, offensive retaliatory remarks that the Tribune has to remove just because some "McCainiac" wants to ramble on about one more lie that has rolled off his lips.

Anybody following these posts knows who has the courage to engage in civil debate and who shrinks to the challenge. They also know who posts baseless charges which, these days, would be about anything coming out of the McCain camp.

McCain is a liar. He has proven that in his ads, his stump speeches and in his television interviews. He continuously repeats lies even after he's been called out on them publicly. It's really a shame that he's decided to end his political career on this very, very low note.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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As Wall Street collapses, McCain declares that ‘the fundamentals of our economy are strong.’ (VIDEO)

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/as-w...

And I thought he was out of touch with reality when he just didn't know how many houses he owns.

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Mr. Obama:

Iraq was not a mistake. A video from an Iraq veteran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlW...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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The Public v. McCain (VIDEO)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBfngOsvm...

"Do you support George Bush more today than you did 4 years ago?"

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Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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As Wall Street collapses, McCain declares that ‘the fundamentals of our economy are strong.’ (VIDEO)

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/as-w......

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The foundation of the markets are sound ... if they were not sound the entire stock market would have come crumbling down. A 500 point move is not a crash. McCain's assessment is correct.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Iraq veterans are supporting Obama 6 to 1. Nice try.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Iraq veterans are supporting Obama 6 to 1. Nice try.

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What was I trying?

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The foundation of the markets are sound ... if they were not sound the entire stock market would have come crumbling down. A 500 point move is not a crash. McCain's assessment is correct.
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That's just for today. Let's see what happens over the next few months. I'll bet some peoples' derivatives are bleeding like a stuck pig. But, hey, have faith in McCain's advice and keep it in there until the bitter end.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, you speak to me now? You acknowledge me now?? Sorry, the game doesn't go that way.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In a recent speech Moammar Khadafy tells his people we will soon have a Muslim United States President. This Muslims name is Barack Hussein Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvE-P--2...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wisconsin St Journal: McCain Mailer Investigation Underway

http://www.madison.com/wsj/topstories/30...

The state elections agency is investigating complaints about a massive campaign mailing Republican Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has directed toward Wisconsin Democrats and other voters

Each mailing includes at least one copy of the state application for an absentee ballot that has the address of a local clerk and a box for postage printed on the other side.

But in some cases, the incorrect clerk's address is printed on the application, leading some Democrats to wonder if the Arizona senator's campaign is deliberately trying to get them to apply for absentee ballots in places where they aren't eligible to vote.,,,,

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I made 150% return on investment today .... bad bad markets ....

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Moammar Khadafy tells his people..."

Hmmmmm, that's about as reliable as "The McCain campaign just announced..."

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In a recent speech Moammar Khadafy tells his people we will soon have a Muslim United States President. This Muslims name is Barack Hussein Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvE-P--2......

I supposed you didn't watch the video ...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't believe one word you say, now or in the past, so you can save yourself the effort. I don't have anything against you personally but your comments seem to have to appearance of one who's making oneself out to be more than he is. Of course, that's abundantly easy to do in an anonymous online setting such as this.

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

... and on the lighter side ....

nobama girl ... sings ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkp...

Posted by padanorr (David A. Norris) on September 15, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't believe one word you say, now or in the past, so you can save yourself the effort. I don't have anything against you personally but your comments seem to have to appearance of one who's making oneself out to be more than he is. Of course, that's abundantly easy to do in an anonymous online setting such as this.

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you don't have to be believe anything I say .... this is not a popularity contest ...

If you are interested in how you can have a 150% return on investment when the market is going down ... you might want to read this ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put_option

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Army Times Hits McCain For Flip-Flop on Key Military Systems

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/de...

...Flashback to July, however, when his campaign furnished McCain’s economic plan to The Washington Post, declaring that “there are lots of procurements — Airborne Laser, [C-17] Globemaster, Future Combat System [sic] — that should be ended and the entire Pentagon budget should be scrubbed.”

In fact, McCain has long criticized the over-budget, behind-schedule FCS program. In 2005, he blasted the Army for allowing the program to balloon to $161 billion, and forced the service to rewrite the main FCS contract.

So where does McCain really stand...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the late night infomercial but I'll pass.

If you're interested how to understand the nature of what forces are at work behind minds that consistently make outrageous claims...you might want to read this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia...

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Big Obama Rally in N.H.; Obama camp getting tough

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tra...

...After a long series of more intimate events in workplaces and high school gyms, the Manchester rally saw the campaign returning to a large-crowd format. The McCain campaign has castigated such populous gatherings as mere "celebrity" worship, but also adopted the model since the addition of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to the ticket gave his campaign new energy.

The Obama rally was dialed down a notch in light of Hurricane Ike ravaging Texas, with the campaign scrapping an appearance by vice presidential running mate Sen. Joseph Biden and Obama opening with an appeal for the Red Cross and to help the victims of Ike.

"During difficult times, during moments of tragedy, the American people come together," he said...

Posted by MasterChef (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's what McCain has done for veterans recently:

● Did not support new GI bill legislation because he thought it was too generous and would result in soldiers choosing to go to school instead of reenlisting. This bill passed 75-22 and McCain was one of three Senators who didn't show up to vote. Only after the bill was attached to the war funding request of the Bush administration, did McCain vote for the Webb bill. All 22 votes against the bill were by Republicans.
● Voted against providing at least $19 billion for military health facilities, paid for by eliminating tax cuts for the wealthy.
● Voted against providing $2.8 billion to increase veterans' medical care.
● Voted against establishing a $1 billion trust fund to provide improvements to health facilities that treat veterans and military personnel paid for by allowing dividends and capital gains tax breaks, for those with incomes greater than $1 million, to lapse.
● Voted against increasing medical services to veterans by $1.5 billion in 2007, paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
● In April 2006, McCain was one of 13 Senators to vote against $430 million for medical services for VA outpatient care and treatment for veterans. Despite his vote against, it passed overwhelmingly, 84-13. All 13 voting against were Republicans.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_de.........

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is a statement above which is so pathetic, so distasteful and so malevolently devious that it make me feel a deep sense of pity for the disturbed mentality that came up with it. How many times have we been told, by the candidate himself, that Barack Obama is a Christian? What can you say about an ongoing effort by an individual to sacrilege this man's personal statement of faith by continuing to call him a Muslim?

Well, although you could say a lot of things, I will leave it at this. It's a lie. That is increasingly what we hear a steady stream of from the McCain campaign so I guess you could say the unfortunate statement is, in effect, just an act of following the leader.

Sure we play hardball here sometimes but enough is enough when it comes to this man's personal statement of faith.

Posted by Neo (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't like to end on a note like the last one so here's something positive. These little machines we sit at as we peck away at the keyboard can be a lot more than just a glorified video game or word processor. They can be a really valuable tool that no generation before us has had.

In that spirit, I'm posting the following video link. This clip is from yesterday in Colorado where Barack Obama spoke regarding the crash in the financial markets yesterday , their implications and what we must do to get back on the right course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mQgNUwO...

This is more than a sound-byte. It's for anyone out there who still believes that the candidate with the best ideas and the best character should win. This clip demonstrates both.

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, well, well, it looks like McCain wasn't lying about the sex-ed from K-12 after all:

What, specifically, was the bill designed to do? It appears to have had three major purposes:

The first, as Ronen indicated, was to mandate that information presented in sex-ed classes be “factual,” “medically accurate,” and “objective.”

The second purpose was to increase the number of children receiving sex education. Illinois’ existing law required the teaching of sex education and AIDS prevention in grades six through twelve. The old law read:

Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades 6 through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention, transmission and spread of AIDS.

Senate Bill 99 struck out grade six, changing it to kindergarten, in addition to making a few other changes in wording. It read:

Each class or course in comprehensive sex education in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.

The bill’s third purpose was to remove value-laden language in the old law. For example, the old law contained passages like this:

Course material and instruction shall teach honor and respect for monogamous heterosexual marriage.
Course material and instruction shall stress that pupils should abstain from sexual intercourse until they are ready for marriage…
[Classes] shall emphasize that abstinence is the expected norm in that abstinence from sexual intercourse is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against unwanted teenage pregnancy [and] sexually transmitted diseases…

The proposed bill eliminated all those passages and replaced them with wording like this:

Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV…

The author talks with one of the guys who wrote the bill:

After we discussed other aspects of the bill, I told Martinez that reading the bill, I just didn’t see it as being exclusively, or even mostly, about inappropriate touching. “I didn’t see it that way, either,” Martinez said. “It’s just more information about a whole variety of things that have to go into a sex education class, the things that are outdated that you want to amend with things that are much more current.”

So, I asked, you didn’t see it specifically as being about inappropriate touching?

“Absolutely not.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzI...

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets recap Neo... McCain says Obama wanted sex-ed taught to kids as young as kindergarteners. Now, lets look at the wording of the Bill that Obambi voted for:

"Each class or course in comprehensive sex education in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV."

Can you please point out to the other readers of the Ironton Tribune the part where McCain was lying?

Posted by Noesis (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The two institutions have long been run not by bankers but by retired political figures, predominantly Democrats. From 1991 to 1998, Fannie Mae was headed by James Johnson, a longtime aide to former Democratic vice president Walter Mondale. Johnson’s successor, Franklin Raines, had served as budget director to Bill Clinton. Jamie Gorelick, vice chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003, served as deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration.

These figures have paid themselves impressive private-sector salaries. Johnson earned US$21-million in just his last year at Fannie Mae. Raines earned US$90-million for five years’ work at Fannie Mae. Gor