Posted by cowboy (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:52 a.m.

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Posted by riverrat (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am thrilled to see that Dennis DeCamp has been given a new longer contract as Super at CG. since Rock Hill finally got their act together and replaced their Super things are going great with the children's education foremost. Now all the vengeful politics, has shifted to a new district . The 3 CG board members can start crossing off names on their "hit list". just wait and see. makes for great news fodder, but look what it did to RH 's reputation. looks like the CG board would take notes from an almost 20 year self inflicted smear campain at RH.

Posted by flo (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cowboy, what happened? Did you tell the truth or did you mention Dutey's name? Either one will get you removed.
Wonder why?

Posted by itsallgood (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I find irony in this Coal Grove election. From comments posted, an editorial letter, and the result of the election, voters showed in the school board election that they don't like nepotism. No favoritism should be shown to a "local" person.Having said that, Mulkey's son is a teacher and was reelected, Drummond,s sister-in-law is a secretary and she was reelected and the list goes on.
CG village council election however stinks of nepotism. Markin's son is a village employee. Self's wife works in the financial office. The mayor's brother in law works for the village. The fire chief was the son of a former fire chief. School board member Murphy's husband is a village employee. How did all of these inter-related parties play a part in the election. Why was there a lack of commentary regarding this form of nepotism. Are all of the above afforded jobs because they were the best candidate for the job or is it impossible to live in small town America and not have nepotism. The newly elected council must now be unbiased in it's ability to give raises and enforce a good job ethic. Now the case of favoring one person over another exists more in the village than you realize doesn't it.

Posted by campbell25 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

actually, it's Holliday.

Posted by redhornet (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Deanna is the only board member who does not have family members who work for the village or the school. Mr Beals have a daughter and son-in-law employed by the school.

Posted by saga09 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coal Grove voters have missed their opportunity for change by NOT electing Katy Ford as a board member. Mrs. Ford IS extremely qualified for this position and genuinely cares about the best interests of the children in the district. She did not run for this position for popularity or for political recognition. She did it for the RIGHT reasons, the KIDS!!! Hopefully, Katy, you will run for a board seat again in the future and your honesty will prevail, as always! We are proud of you, girl!!

Posted by itsallgood (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lovely, now disable comments. A healthy discussion is good. Just ban tellmeaboutit 36 instead of disabling.

Posted by NeverCeasesToAmazeMe (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't see the election results as something to cross off of any "hit lists" so to speak. Two of the 3 voted for change and wanted someone out of the district. They didn't want the name game being played any more. Their thought process was on trying to better the district for the kids, not for hiring someone because of their family and name.
Now, some of the others that were running was trying to keep the same ole same ole group in and I am thankful that they didn't get elected. I won't say that any of the candidates are bad people. It's just that some of them have bad ideas.

Posted by Matt52 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess the people of CG dont want change because they need to stop the three headed monster of holiday,murphy, and drummond they brought a superintendent into the district who should not be there

Posted by concerned09 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the election was right on, however Katie Ford would have been a great member to have. I think the community has spoken and there are some people that will now have to eat their words and deal with the aftermath of some of the problems they have stirred up in the past months in the district. Change is a good thing, it isn't always bad. The only reason some people don't agree with the decisions being made is because it isn't to their benefit for these decisions to be carried out, we have to remember that the decisions are being made in the best interest of the students and the school.

Posted by Matt52 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

concerned09 some of the decisons are the best thing for students their rather stupid!!!!

Posted by Matt52 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 9:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

arnt not are

Posted by myvoice (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

concerned 09..i agree with you 100% on what is in the best interest of the students and the school, but what about the workers that are working there...it isn't fair to the workers to be caught up in these games...it makes for NOT SUCH A GOOD WORK PLACE!!
and as far as the name game...i would hate to think that i lost my job because of my last name.that is a shame.....that sounds like discrimination to me, but i could careless about that!!!

Posted by TheTruth (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 2:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In a small village such as Coal Grove, it would be hard to find someone that doesn't have ties to somebody else in the village. You are not going to find 5 people to be on the board that do not have any association with a village worker, school employee, city hall worker, or policeman/fire fighter. The group just mentioned probably covers about 75% of the city itself!

Posted by itsallgood (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are exactly right, thetruth, and that is my point. If your parents, grandparents were teachers then you lean toward the education field. The same can be said for the medical field. Doctors marry nurses, and there children and family members stay in the medical profession. This is very common and very normal. If you work in the education field for 25 years in your own community and you have done a good job and have accomplishment to show for your service then I would think you should be given priority over an outsider. That is my philosopy. I would be very disturbed to think my employer would hire someone instead of me when I have given my life to my profession and devoted a great deal to making the school district a success. It is even more disturbing that i would not be hired or promoted because my family has several members employed in the district. To become a teacher you do have to attend at least 4 years of college and be awarded a certificate. You are not awarded a position based on name alone.
So Mrs. Holliday does not believe in this philosopy. She will not give priority to a local person. She wants what is best for the students. If I had that philosphy then I would not have voted for her originally because she actually had no experience with a school district. I would have voted for an educated professional with administrative experience and also financial experience. The decision to hire and keep DeCamp in the 3 members' opinion was the best for the district. I can't disagree as I didn't interview the applicants but I can say that the decision has caused great division within the district. We have lost student enrollment. Is this loss due to people physically relocated or just relocating their children? When making these big decisions there is more involved than just doing what you think is the right decision according to your philosophy. You should make a good work environment for your teachers and your students and your parents. The most qualified person for the job may not necessarily be the best candidate for the job. Chris Speilman played for Ohio State. He loved Ohio State and had great passion for the game. He did not start out as being the greatest and strongest player but because of his passion for Ohio State he became on of the greatest players in OSU history. The same can be said for any profession.
I guess what I am trying to say that being "local" isn't always bad.

Posted by Matt52 (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

it was not the best interest of the district Decamp and holiday are related thats how he got the job

Posted by concerned09 (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Decamp and Holiday are related? Are you sure about that?? Besides, she's only one vote. And yes, some problems have been created for employees but only because certain families still haven't learned how to accept that there are changes being made. And students leaving, my understanding is that some of this has been due to the economy and people looking for jobs in other places. I for one am just glad the election is over and hope that things will get back to somewhat normal in Coal Grove. Decisions are being made in favor of the students, if anyone can tell me otherwise and give facts, feel free to share ...

Posted by Bigbear (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Matt 52- I wish you would have went to the grove,you wouldn't be so "DUMB" don't make stupid accusations that are not true, Please keep your small minded comments to your self. Lying will bring you the "karma" you deserve

Posted by Matt52 (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i do go to CG and live their so Bigbear and im not dumb and your the small minded person.

Posted by Bigbear (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please do not let anyone know you went to CG. I could barely understand your sentence. Mrs. Holliday & Mr. Decamp are not related. Making up lies does not impress anyone & only makes you look like what you are. Someone trying to make trouble. As far as the other statement from "itsallgood", there is a lot in what you said. If a person actually earned the recognition you are talking about, they would have deserved the job. There is a lot behind the scenes you have not heard or seen. Also, the reduced enrollment for D-B was based on last 2 years & not this year.

Posted by Matt52 (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:11 p.m.

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Posted by Bigbear (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 12:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Matt-not going to waste my energy on talking to you! No one wants to hear your filthy dumb mouth!!!!!!!!!By the way you better have pitures and dates times ,places...to back up your statements because if y can't they can take action against yu and own your house.. but their is smoke signals after that...

Posted by bleedingheart (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No one ever said that related persons cannot work together. The problem is the people in charge of hiring , firing, and policy making should not be related to the employees. This should apply to city government as well as school board. I am not saying that any of these people are bad. However if there are serious allegations against a teacher (someone trusted with our children) do you really think a close relative could be completely objective? Of course not!! Look at the number of times in the D-B district there have been actual cases of teachers' infedilities flaunted before the students and no disciplinary actions taken. I remember hearing rumors for years about a certain teacher having relations with young girls, then an investigation by the Sheriff's Dept., and he was still allowed to teach. (I ran into one of the young girls a couple of years ago and she confirmed the affair and all who knew.)

Same thing with city council. Are you really going to vote against your kid getting a pay raise??? Are you going to bring before the council that your relative is lazy and not doing his/her job effectively? NO!!

My point is...if you really care about the village and the school, then don't put yourself or your family in the position to make it appear as though you are playing favorites. Just don't run for that particular office. I have no problem with civic minded persons serving on the board and having relatives in city government or vice versa. Just don't put yourself in a position of power over a relative. (P.S. I don't think having a relative as a secretary or janitor is quite the same as a teacher or principal.)

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Are you people kidding me? Bias politics have ruled the Dawson-Bryant School District for a long time. Now these people are being held "accountable" and are whining their a$$ off. The board is doing what alot of people wanted to do but didn't have the "spine" to do it. You say the school district was in better shape before Decamp ? Give me a break. No discipline, drugs, corruption...... It will take awhile to clean that mess up. The people voted Holliday in because they knew her vote wouldn't be bias politics and Holliday, Drummond and Murphy have stood their ground also to do what is "right" instead of popular agenda. Quit whining or go work or live somewhere else, its time to do what is right for the District and this administration is trying to do that without an agenda.

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is a difference between "accountability" and "agenda" look it up.

Posted by flo (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grovite, I agree completely. The new board is doing a great job because they are not listening to the good old boys that have run the village for years. It was time for a change. It could not have gotten worse, only better.
As for Decamp, if he had broken the law, he could not have gotten the job. He would have been been prohibited from being around children.

Posted by speechteach (anonymous) on November 9, 2009 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think it is just as wrong to NOT hire someone because of their name as it is to hire someone because of their name. Those 3 didn't necessary want DeCamp, they just didn't want Dutey....shameful that a loyal, educated longtime employee was shafted just because those three didn't like his last name.....funny how CG board meetings and the district was run very well until those three got together and decided to start running things the way they wanted and not listening to the very people who have to work with him more than twice a month. Why not wait until after the new year to see how he was working out before the new contract? Because they were afraid they would lose the election......nice job on absentee ballots, heard it was a record for the village....... :-( By the way, if you are doing your job right, it shouldn't matter who you are related to.....

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What world have you been living in? District was ran right before Decamp? Thats a joke right? I think what the voters are trying to communicate is they wanted a change, if you dont like it move or teach somewhere else. Like I said before people do not like to be held accountable, and when they are they cry foul. There were many problems in our district and its evident you are part of the group that turns your back to it or you are just plain ignorant.

Posted by itsallgood (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If I recall James Payne was lauded for his tenure. Mrs. Holliday even stated that in her letter to the editor. I believe he was from Ironton, not Coal Grove and I don't believe he was related to any of the good old boys. Drummond seems to be considered in a group who wants change but hasn't she been a member for many years? Is she just a reformed good old boy? Is she holding herself accountable? Dawson-Bryant always seemed to show high in academics in the past so problems? I'm not so sure

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Was there drugs in our school? yes there was . Was it swept under the rug? yes it was. Was there discipline problems? yes there was? did the punishment fit the crime,? no it didnt. Was there cheating that was going on? yes there was, and still would have been until some honest people put a stop to it. (show high on academics?) compare it to surrounding schools in 30 mile radius, we dont even come close. It was time for a change and now we have people like you who do not have a clue, but you make comments based on ignorance not "fact" . Let this administration have the same time you allowed this sink hole of Coal Grove to evolve and maybe you will swallow your tongue.

Posted by onlythefacts (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Speechteach &Matt52 where have you been. #1 Drummond's sister-in-law was working BEFORE she was elected. #2 check how many GOOD teachers and employees have left DB rather than get the "good ole boys FIRED. They didn't want to see families hurt but the good ole boys sure didn't care who they hurt. They are really vindictive and many people knew the truth. Thank GOD for Holliday she open up the door for Drummond,& Murphy.

Posted by flo (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It was time for a change because to many Dutey's had their hands in the school. If you were not a Dutey or a close friend you did not get a job no matter what your education. If it took the younger people to change the old ways, good. It could only get better.
If they worked harder to get the absentee votes, good for them. That is not against the law. Others just did not want to work as hard because they thought they had the election won.

Posted by itsallgood (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would have to disagree with you about working hard for the vote. No one worked harder than Katie Ford. She was out all the time going door to door. Katie came in first with walk in votes. I guess she didn't know about making a deal with someone else running for an office. She wasn't in someone's back pocket. Besides Katie, the only other person who came to my house was Sadie Mulkey.

Posted by proudhornet (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

itsallgood do you even have a job? You really need to get a life!

Posted by speechteach (anonymous) on November 11, 2009 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grovite, to me it sounds like you are the one who needs to move....anyone who hates the district that bad, needs to move on....I don't teach in DB....just observing from the outside...Jim Payne was not from CG and was applauded , even by Holliday, and then she goes AGAINST his recommendation for the new superintendent....that doesn't make sense to me.....Would you like to be overlooked by a company after 20+ years of hard work and no bad evaluations just because 3 board members don't like your last name????? I have talked to many teachers from DB....they know what is going on behind the scenes.......sad situation

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 12, 2009 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People are tired of "yes" people in the administration and thats what we had for a very long time, now that we have people that will make a vote not based upon popularity or bias politics you want to put them down. Jim payne was in the same click, the voters wanted a change and just because Holliday had the "spine" that others didnt you want to put her down? You are obviously plain ignorant of what went on behind the scenes it was a very sad situation for a very long time and now the superintendent and board is making "teachers" be "accountable" and they are crying foul, come on. Any successful organization makes their employees be held accountable and the ones that dont corruption exists and thats what we had. Everyone knew what was going on but like I said before not many people had the nads to do something about it. Maybe the teachers need to worry more about teaching which involves , accountability, character, discipline, morals, and integrity instead of politics. If some of the ones you talked to would do that instead of putting all their energy into talking about the superintendent or the board members maybe our students would learn something.

Posted by speechteach (anonymous) on November 12, 2009 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Look, I don't have a dog in the fight. Just outside looking in...don't have kids in the district.....I am telling you that Holliday liked Payne and complimented him and then went against his recommendation....I just wonder about that???Are they truly doing it for the good or just trying to oust people? You act like ppl were put in place that didn't have degrees or something.....I want DB to continue with success, just don't think he is the right man, Drummond and Murphy voted to put Dutey in as asst super and then all of a sudden he is not qualified???? I am just letting you know what ppl think outside this district.....I stand by my comment....It shouldn't matter what your name is...if you are qualified and a loyal employee , you deserve the chance first.....bet in their employment field, they would expect it from their bosses before he bought an outsider in......and so would you.....I always thought the Dutey's in CG had a great history of service to your school district....very loyal...guess we all thot you guys appreciated that.....guess not.....

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 13, 2009 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You are so full of crap! you dont have a dog in this fight? Then dont worry about it. Its evident that you do. Let's put it in layman terms for you; this is the first time in a long time when the board hired a superintendent they did it in a professional manner. The good ol boys that people knew about, but didnt have the backbone to do anything about, hired from their own personal "feeder" system. (everyone knew it wasnt a secret). Drummond, Murphy, and Holliday did professional interviews( May God help us from doing that) They also looked at professional abilities,skills and experience( May God help us from doing that also) and the best canidate for the District, Kids, and the TAXPAYERS was chosen. (Let us think back did someone withdrawel their name from from that list?) The voters voted these three in and they are trying to do whats right, i'm sorry its not like it used to be or who you know. Coal Grove has lost alot of great teachers over the years and our District has suffered, if you dont like these people vote them out. We still live in America its still a democracy for awhile longer, but at least these three WOMEN had the nads to do something about it instead of being gossipers at the Freeze-ette every morning that dont have the nads to do anything.

Posted by speechteach (anonymous) on November 13, 2009 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow grovite...you definitely have a hatred for ppl....I can't believe you actually think that Payne, Wayne White, etc...weren't qualified.. and how do you know about the interviews????? you weren't there.....or were you? I am done with this topic...I just hope these those three don't have an agenda , if they do, they are no better than the ones you are slamming.....

Posted by patsm6 (anonymous) on November 13, 2009 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with you Grovite. Your comments on 11/12 hit the nail on the head. Dont pay attention to speechteach she does have a dog in the fight. Why would you scroll though older stories this far and make comment not to have a dog in the fight. She wants you to think that she is being an objective outsider by saying that she doesnt have a dog in the fight.
I do agree with speechteach in the fact that if you are qualified no matter what your name is you should be considered for the job. The big problem is Duty was not qualified. He shirked his responsibilities and was deceptive to those who worked under him. He wanted a big check and a title but didnt want to work for it, he felt he was entitled to the job because of his name.
If he got as far as he did because of his name this is wrong. If he was not hired because of his name this is wrong too. Its sounds as if he lived by the sword and died by the sword.

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 13, 2009 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No hatred its just called doing the right thing and being accountable, sorry your to narrow minded and ignorant to understand.

Posted by speechteach (anonymous) on November 13, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gee whiz...you can't have an intelligient conversation without calling people names...no wonder people are leaving....I was trying to have a discussion ....read over your comments....don't call me narrow minded and ignorant....accountable to who??? you...hope not.....

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 13, 2009 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People want to make comments and then play the "victim" role. Ignorant means lack of knowledge or intelligence, I never said you were a bad person just plain ignorant.

Posted by speechteach (anonymous) on November 14, 2009 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Look Grovite, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them ignorant....I have not made one personal comment about you even though I don't share your view...it's America last time I check and we can agree to disagree without namecalling...well, I can anyway......since pats thinks he knows everything, it gives me great pleasure to say I don't have a dog in the fight,just went to CG and live away now but still care about the district and I disagree with you suggesting bad things about past superintendents, (that Drummond voted for,by the way)...it doesn't make sense that she would vote them in and then you suggest that all of them were bad and she is cleaning up? which way is it? Also ,don't understand the scrolling back and looking comment.....it has been an ongoing discussion since election day that I have been viewing...you guys need to understand that everyone doesn't share you view and it doesn't make them ignorant..

Posted by Matt52 (anonymous) on November 17, 2009 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the dutys have always cared about our school district and then we get a new school board (murphy+ holiday) and every body turned on the dutys they have always cared about CG and you ppl turn on them like that?

Posted by Grovite (anonymous) on November 18, 2009 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eat Crow! lmoa