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Rist elected to Ironton City Council
Lutz leads ticket; Frazer, Johnson face recount for final spot
Published Wednesday, November 4, 2009
IRONTON — “She did it, she actually did it!”
Those were the words being shouted from the Fourth Street steps of the Lawrence County Courthouse just moments after former Ironton police officer Beth Rist was elected to one of four vacant seats on Ironton City Council, according to unofficial results from the Lawrence County Board of Elections.
“I’m pleased and thankful for those who voted for me,” Rist said Tuesday night. “The confidence of the residents is important to me based on the way the city has treated me.”
Rist, who unofficially garnered 1,241 votes, finished third in the six-person race that saw the top four vote getters earn seats on Ironton’s legislative body.
Each seat carries a four-year term.
Voters in the city retained incumbents Mike Lutz and Bob Cleary who lead the ticket with 1,520 and 1,343 votes respectfully.
However the fourth and final seat to be awarded might take a few weeks to be decided based on a narrow margin between newcomer Dave Frazer who sits fourth with 1,227 votes and incumbent Leo Johnson in fifth place with 1,217 votes.
Hugh Donald Scott finished sixth with 1,132 votes.
All races with a vote difference of less than 0.5 percent are automatically recounted per state election law.
The Lawrence County Board of Elections will have its official count on Nov. 19 and will include any outstanding provisional ballots not counted in the unofficial tally.
To conduct a recount, the board of elections will count a random sampling of 3 percent of the results from the contested races. If the recounts match the official results, they will stand. If there are any discrepancies the board of elections will recount all the results.
Johnson, who chairs council’s Public Utilities Committee, did not seem hopeful his deficit would change.
“I appreciate the people giving me four years. I wanted the opportunity to serve again, but that’s okay. I have no regrets,” Johnson said Tuesday night.
Frazer said he was happy but tired following a day of last minute campaigning at the new Ironton Elementary and Middle schools.
“I appreciate everyone who voted for me. I’m ready to go,” Frazer said.
For Lutz, the thrill of leading the ticket and being able to name the heads of council’s committees in two years comes following a heartbreaking defeat in council’s last election.
“I’ve enjoyed the past few years and I am honored to be elected to a job I enjoy doing,” said Lutz, who was appointed to council to replace Rich Blankenship when he was elected mayor. “In leading the ticket, it is an important responsibility I will take seriously.”
Cleary, who will begin his 21st year on council with his re-election said the feeling never changes.
“I’m very excited. I look forward for the next four years in continuing with our current projects especially the replacement of the Ironton-Russell Bridge,” Cleary said.
But despite Lutz’s rise to the top, Cleary’s longevity and razor-thin margin between Frazer and Johnson, the night, according to many sweating out results at the board of elections office, belonged to Rist.
Rist, whose 13-year career with the Ironton Police Department has at times played out like a game of table-tennis in terms of both legal wrangling and public opinion, her decision to run was based on paying back residents of the city who have been good to her.
“I just want to help everyone in this city,” Rist said. “It’s been overwhelming with all the support I’ve been given.”
Fired by Mayor Rich Blankenship in October 2008 for admitting to the falsification of a traffic ticket, Rist had her termination reversed by an arbitrator in July who claimed the 13-year police veteran was a “victim of disparate treatment” and that the city “had no just cause to discharge.”
The arbitrator ruled that Rist should be “restored to employment immediately effective upon receipt of this decision.”
However Rist has not returned to work. In September, the city appealed the ruling based on the interpretation of her probation status following her pleading guilty to a misdemeanor charge of falsification.
That appeal followed a July 17 council session where Ironton City Council voted 5-2 to grant Blankenship the authority to appeal the arbitrator’s decision if the mayor decided to.
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Posted by mommyof2 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 3:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Okay, here is one of the problems with Ironton - why do we have someone who has been on the council 21 years of their life? That is crazy! There needs to be term limits just like the president. No one should be able to be on a council here or anywhere for 21 years! Then people wonder why nothing ever changes in Ironton - maybe because you are electing people to serve over and over again and yet after seeing no improvement in your town with them in office, you re-elect them yet again and then have people who have been on there 21 years? I don't know some of these people personally, but it would be different if you could use the old saying if "it ain't broke, don't fix it," but Ironton obviously is broke and needs fixed!
Posted by Ice (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 5:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We do have "Term Limits." It's called "Election Day."
Posted by nottellin (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Electing people who ignore and break the law is not going to help Ironton.
Posted by 4victims (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The people have spoken....deal with it. Be a bigger person and accept it. Don't be another whiner!
Posted by john_mushenhouse (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
you get what you ask for. No crying about no solutions, less services, gifts to cronies and of course, higher taxes.
Oh yeah no jobs. but the newspaper will be having a blast reporting the meetings. Entertainment at its best. wiro ought to broadcast these meetings.
Posted by ironton45638 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The way I see it anyone who has the desire to serve their city for 21 years, has a true interest in it. Im sure its alot of stress and heartache that many of us choice to avoid, so I commend him for his dedication.
Posted by frag (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dave Frazer will be an asset to the city of Ironton. They sure need it.
Posted by buckfan4life2 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The only two elected that I truely feel that will do a good job is Lutz and Frazer, and they are the ones I don,t know personally.
Posted by osu (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dave Frazier was a good teacher and I believe he will be a very effective council person.
As for term limits...I would agree with the statement above...we already have term limits..."Election Day."
Posted by I_town_resident (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
People!!!!! We all no the best man for any job wanted done right the first time...is a WO-MAN!!! Congrats Beth
Posted by wonderingoutloud (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hope our elected officials see this for what it is. People in Ironton want a new course, concentrating on infrastructure rehabilitation. We do not want OUR money to go towards putting roofs on non- governmental buildings. Before wasting money, give it back to the people by lowering fees.
Please, please bring debate back to the Council floor. It is obvious that matters are decided in private, possibly contrary to Sunshine laws, and then just voted for on Council night. I want to hear the differing opinions by Council members, which leads to better decisions.
Posted by turbo (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations Mayor blankenship and Chief Carey. You have some new voices to help you with your decisions.
Posted by riverrat (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Black or white, male or female, straight or gay. What the former policeperson did was wrong. her actions effected and put a black eye on the city police force . It just put a name to all rumors ,county,state,and nation wide about crooked cops. sad situation.
Posted by jennysman (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
i am glad she made it, the council needs some diversity, it needs people that do not see eye to eye...if she does a poor job then vote her out next time, for gods sake look at all the deadwood that has been on this council for years...i am against all incumbents thats the only way we get our message out there...
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Did anyone see the news last night? Tim Irr said "The Mayor and Chief wouldn't give her badge back but the people gave her the
votes." The court of public opinion clearly favors Rist over City Hall.
Posted by CommonMan (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree...pretty sad state in Ironton when someone who broke the law as a police officer gets elected to public office. Wonder no more folks as to why Ironton is in the shape that it's in...not the leaders, it's the PEOPLE voting those leaders into office.
Posted by Vil (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess all the people she let get out of tickets made it to the polls.
Our city is a disgrace and I am embarrassed to say I love and do business here.
Posted by donrbs (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
can some one who is on probation for a criminal offense stand for an election? Or was her conviction erased?
Posted by bystander (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
riverrat-you said "her actions" put a black eye on the city of Ironton? Did you forget about officers in the Thomas & Rowe cases??...I believe that both eyes were blackened before Ms. Rist had anything to do with it!! I think that she will be a wonderful Council Woman-along with others elected! Way to go Ms. Rist..what year can you run for Mayor?
Posted by mykool79 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
good luck beth!! hope you can make a difference, the city needs it.
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I believe it was a misdemeanor, not a criminal offense. Also, I
think she will be a good council member - we need a watch
dog because there is too much swept under the rug.
Posted by turbo (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't forget about speedway Dan and the IPD officer who goes out of state representing IPD with a gun in a bar. They got their behind covered by the Chief.
Posted by med6149 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
what is in the past is in the past. What everyone needs to remember (mayor, council and citizens) is what is best for IRONTON. Work together to bring Ironton back from the dead! Put your personal feelings aside. Pray and ask God for guidance and direction for Ironton. Doesn't matter if you are Catholic or Baptist. With God at the center you can't fail!
Posted by RabidTiger (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CONGRAULATIONS BETH...!! The P-E-O-P-L-E have spoken..!!
WITH A LOUD ROAR ((LIKE AN IRONTON TIGER))
Now Make Us Citizens of Ironton PROUD of you..!!
And with the coments about the 21 years of 'DEADWOOD'... or 'DEADWEIGHT'...
its about the same. Ironton's old cronies re-elect out of desparation
and some times of 'Fear of Change'....
and talk about the criminal elements in Ironton..??
What about 'certain political cronies' who in the past
2 decades bought up land in Ironton... in the proposed
areas where a 'new bridge' was projected and now
IS PROJECTED to be built..??!!
Talk about a 'landslide' of funds/money for the state
to have to buy this land now...
Boy somebody is gonna have a nice vacation when it's all
said and done...
Posted by poodles (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
suck it up! you all know rist is a good person and good for ironton! if you dont like it move!!!
Posted by poodles (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CONGRAULATIONS BETH!!!
Posted by ramss01 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know whats funny is people are making comments on here about her making good decisions with what little money Ironton has. Guess what, she has filed a lawsuit against the city of Ironton and will win again ! Thats right, again ! Years ago she sued and won thousands at the taxpayers expense ! So you taxpayers can expect a levy or tax increase somewhere to pay for her lawsuit winnings again because you know the city budget has no money to cover it ! Next time you see her, ask her if she will drop the lawsuit so you don't have to pay for it ! I bet she says no !
Posted by afungal (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm seriously considering selling my house and moving out of Ironton. So basically our newest council member is suing herself. And ramss01 you're right...she will win and then she'll be double dipping and we'll be paying for it.
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ramsso - the city has insurance for lawsuits. The city is spending
money on unnecessary things like Ro-Na Theatre (who is going to
maintain it after it is renovated) and skateboard parks, etc.
We need streets repaired and ordinances fully enforced.
Let's hope Rist and Frazer will do that ..give them a chance..
the people have spoken
Posted by angelgirl (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wasnt going to comment on this but after afungal said they are thinking about selling their home and moving out of Ironton...I believe that is the best comment! I moved 6 hrs away,best thing I have ever done..no more drama,fighting,drugs & break-in's. I wish all of Ironton the best of luck..and getting Ironton back on track
Posted by ramss01 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Summerrain, I understand about the insurance but when claims are filed, policies go up, and way up when alot of money is involved. So when the insurance rates go sky high again, the council will pass that increase on to the tax payers. I do not live here or know her, but I hope for the sake of Ironton she can make a difference and help turn things around because I like Ironton and I hate to see the friends I have there struggle to pay bills because of taxes and levies. I know Dave Frazer from the South Point school system years ago. If he has not changed he should be good for the city of Ironton.
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ramsso, you are confused - Rist has not filed a suit against the city - can't understand why she hasn't. You hate to see your friends pay higher bills. What about her? She has had no income or unemployment during her illegal separation which has been more than a year.
Posted by ramss01 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I was under the impression from the paper that she had filed one, I didn't know. The income will be back payed for sure when she gets her job back always is. Why can't she receive unemployment though ?
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I understand she is not on probation for a criminal offense
but a misdemeanor
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Mayor denied it - however he kept saying he did not but
Beth checked in Columbus and he had signed the denial
forms everytime..they always want to pass the buck
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The appeal that the city filed against her arbitrator's ruling was filed by a law firm in Portsmouth..cannot understand why the
city attorney did not file it. It would be very interesting to see what that has cost the city in legal fees. Perhaps she and Frazer will make that public.
Posted by Retro (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you Ironton voters for reminding me why I would never buy property nor invest there.
Posted by politics4me (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
People just need to get over themselves because Beth Ann Rist won. She will be great and that's all there is to it. As for the riverrat who said that Beth's actions put a black eye on the IPD. How many other cops have done things much worse than she did? Ironton cops have done much worse and Beth was only trying to help the woman out. It's people like you who make the community not able to forget the past because YOU STILL DWELL ON IT. She made a mistake, get over it. She won and congrats to her!! She will help bring change to this very narrow minded community.
Posted by eclipse (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What does city council actually do?
Posted by tjhtygeverve (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations to all elected, and the two that await their re-count. BETH will absolutely be an asset to this position. She has her heart in everything Ironton and always has. She has been put throuth the ringer from the beginning of becoming a police officer, or shortly thereafter, because she spoke out about what was broken and needed fixed in that department!!! That scared those involved directly into her harassment issues to date and they still continue to date, even though resolved in court, where she won, a form of harassment continues and she will win.
If You had direct evidence that you were harassed against and lost your job wouldn't you follow the same path she has done to right the wrongs done to her, by the insecurities of those above her. I WOULD!! She deserves everything she has been deprived of...
With this election result, it is a direct confirmation of how the public feels about her abilities. We all make mistakes personally and professionally and we always deserve a chance to right our mistakes...
Rock on Beth...
If I still lived there, you would have an extra vote from me...
ROCK ON!!!
Just like you showed with your tenacity as a standout final four Ironton fighting tiger girls basketball player, and our outstanding field commander as the Million dollar marching band... Signs at such a young age, she was born to be a leader..
Forgive and forget! Even those of us whom have never even Read the Great Book, know this is part of the overall message it provides...
SOOO.. give this talented woman a chance, instead of bringing up immediate negativity harboured by some from the PAST!!!
After all, This is the FUTURE OF THE CITY!!!
Posted by 4victims (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ramss......What part of leave her alone does the chief not get?....It is his supervisory duty to make sure employees are not harassed. She won once and now twice....it is pretty simple really. Just leave her alone. All she wanted to do was make a living.....This mess was created and played out in the hopes she would give up.....Lets see if we can see the big picture....She will not be intimidated.....
Posted by Stringbean (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 7:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Council should impeach the Mayor for the problems he has caused the City. The insurance company will have big eyes when they see one law suit for 2 milliom dollars. Not sure about the Thomas Guy's family law suit.
Posted by OLDad (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 7:57 p.m.
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Posted by nottellin (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't have to "accept" anything. I will keep my home, myself, and my MONEY out of Ironton. Won't shop there, most definitely won't live there, and will pity the people who are stupid enough to keep electing the people who are screwing them.
Posted by buckfan4life2 (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN TO PUT CLEARY BACK IN OFFICE. THIS GUY IS A JOKE! HIS NO#1 CONCERN IS THE BRIDGE "NOT JOBS". AND WE ALL KNOW WHY ITS NO#1. EVERYTHING HE DOES IS TO BENIFIT HIM, NOT THE CITY. THIS TOWN MAKES ME VOMIT!
Posted by john_mushenhouse (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
when Bob griffith was a cop didn't a gun go off in the station?
talk about a black eye for the force.
I also have trouble with Bob Cleary. He doesn't appear to be alltruistic.
Posted by lrc (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well good for her, I just hope she does not use this as a source of revenge, that is not what the people voted her in for
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Posted by OLDad (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
glad to see you reposted what i said ..saved me the time.....and if it is around me that doesnt mean i have to accept it...its wrong...and the only reason she ran was out of spite....so tjhtygeverve if you love ironton so much why did you leave....ooh i know you have a partner....lol...and there wasnt enough diversity here ..right...whats sad is that nowadays the minoritys have more say than the majority and thats whats wong with america today...that and the absence of GOD
Posted by Digi (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
All I can say is thank God that no one member of the counsel can act on their own. So at least she can't just go on a big rage changing things on her own. It's still a majority rules vote there, but I'm sure she'll be whine'n bout it soon enough.
Posted by tjhtygeverve (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I left Ironton when both my parents & Maternal Grandmother passed away in a short year and a half period. Also during that time my Mom's brother was kidnapped and decapitated on his way to my Mother's funeral and was found tied to a tree in a state park in Kentucky.
I tried to stay in my parents home for two years after that, because I love everything about Ironton, but there were no businesses there that could support the level I had reached in my career prior to moving home to take care of my parents while they were ill.
I also am currently in the market for Land for the Summer home I will build in the vicinity of IRONTON, and I will spend my winters here In Orlando in the home I purchased after I moved here. I am 46 and will retire at 55. I have worked extremely hard for this, and miss Ironton tremendously. I also have one brother who lives in the general area of Florida where I do and I wanted to be near him. I was hired by The Walt Disney World Resort soley on my resume, and since there is no travel and tourism in the Tri-State it was a common sense move to Florida.
After my employment began with Disney, I applied and was accepted over thousands of other cast members to enter into their prestigious Sommelier program, which furthered my career with The leading Company in the world for my Skills in the Food and Beverage industry. I made the right move at the right time, and every door opened for me to walk through. Now, I spend my time educating guests who want to know more about wine In a class room setting, and montly direct a class of Newly hired Cast Members in the Food and Beverage department of WDW about wine knowledge. I balance that with being a full-time waiter at one of the top ten restaurants in the United States, a five star destination, and enjoy my home, animals, and the close friendship bond I have with my Companion for life. We kinda broke the national average of out-lasting marriages, of 16 years. So, I moved to where the money was. I left where it was not, but I do miss Tiger sports, a small town feel, my cousins who live in the Ironton and surrounding area, and will balance my time between both residences in less than ten years. GOD willing, whom I happen to have a daily relationship with.... Thanks for asking.
Posted by tjhtygeverve (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oLDad:might Isuggest you read the Book called " A New Earth" by Edward O'toole, part of Oprah's Book club, which is also a series of books. It Is faith Based and helps those who Cannot see past anything except their ability of Non-acceptance. It also addresses "pain bodies" which simply means all the garbage we pick up through life, usually passed down through growing up sometimes& quite horrendously true how our family raised us and how thier beliefs follow us through our life without realizing we ever made a different choice outside of what was before our eyes, and the ways we can break those chains that have us tied us down to non-acceptance than anything different than what we have been surrounded by to believe is right or wrong, then ties the Good Book into it, and enables us to step outside our beliefs and make the choice our natural progression would have done for us in a way only influenced by one individual..... YOU!! It has been a best seller for over four years now..Opening the book and starting to read it is the first step. One that will have anyone scratching their head of why they didnt think for themselves... good luck to you my tribune acquaintance... In Gods' speed...
Posted by OLDad (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
1 thing if your companion is the same sex as you then the only relationship you have with GOD is His grace that you will repent because GOD says that relationship between the same sex is an abomination ...sorry for the loss of your family members
Posted by OLDad (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 12:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
if the Bible says its wrong its wrong thats Satans way of decieving you ...i like the way i was raised and the beliefs my parents instilled in me and glad i made the choice of being a Christian....if God doesnt accept it then i dont either....Satan has you blinded if you think your going to Heaven if you are gay....i will stick to the Bible instead of oprahs far fetched ideas.....
Posted by tjhtygeverve (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 1:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The first dated religion was Judaism. It split because of a disagreement between brothers of the same faith, and led to the largest religion Muslim. Remember, that although I consider myself a Christian, I have spent one year in Christian college @ KCC In Grayson. While these brothers fought and divided into two religions and the Koran(quaran) was created for the Muslim faith. During this time, Only the Old Testament Existed. Later, as Catholicism came to be Over the years, Anyone,As time passed and during the emergence of Catholicism, anyone who followed Christ was imprisoned or put on a cross... Each King of Each/ Judaism/Muslim/Catholicism Religions Imprisoned or put to death Christians. They were consumed with war and power and obtaining control of one anothers' land. Duriint that time The Apostles were Imprisoned for many many years, and were Only fed bread and real WINE all while being led by the Holy Spirit, as they wrote the New Testament, which Christians base Religion on. As the wars and turnovers in Kings of Judaism/Muslims/catholicisms continued Each King decided which pages they liked and didn't like and either kept it in their perspective Book of faith,or destroyed what made them uncomfortable..Keep in mind that it was thousands of years until Catholicism emerged into this scenario, then what we know as ALL the Branches of Christ driven Christianity branched.. So, if A particular King from these two starting religious dynasties didnt like what they read, it was destroyed. So Interpertation is left to us. I have lived with my partner for many years as stated. We are only companions and have chosen a NO intimate policy between us. We have separate bedrooms and are best friends and make it work through life. During my daily prayers, it is re-iterated to me that if one of those Kings or many many many wars took place, and the books of Faith were seized each one with their hands on it would do as they pleased. Leave what they wanted. Destroy a page they disagreed with. I live the Best life I can, as I am sure you do with Christ in mind always. I know I will go to heaven. No sin is greater than any other. ie.. obesity or homosexuality carries the same weight(no pun intended), I have been saved, baptized, seen the light, and control my tendencies. I will go to heaven. I will be shown my good deeds here on earth, and also answer to what I did not excel at in my life.
I have no doubt that I will sit with my parents in the Kingdom of God. He forgives all. He accepts all. His Love is never ending. Blessed be the children OF GOD. If we do not read and educate ourselves outside of what we were taught in sunday school, Kentucky Christian College, Or the Innonence and sincerity of those who have loved us as parents and family, we will never grow to know more. Life is Knowledge. Knowledge breaks the bonds of Satan's all-time trick. Being stymied and not moving around it while you educate yourself, and above it as you leave Satan Behind...
Posted by 4victims (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 1:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Blah...blah....blah......you know how many baptist it takes to change a light bulb...........Change!.......lets not judge ......karma has a way of sneaking up on you.....
Old...dad....? Baptist believe everything baptist, etc.....fornication, adultery all play sins....If thoust shalt judge one, then judge all. When you look in the mirror do you like what you see? How do you relate this election with faith? Do we all not have faith in our politicians? If one is to lazy to vote, then one cannot complain. I am sure the elected officials we have had in the past are all good christians...yeah right....good luck to the new members....
Posted by tjhtygeverve (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 2:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
so anyway beth won. that is not blah... thats a rah rah... or a twirl...
Posted by Thevoice (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 2:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Finally, a chink in the armor of the elite that have been robbing this city blind for years. I think Beth is a great person and will serve the city well, as she always has. Oh my, a cop fix a traffic ticket? How many do you honestly think hasn't? Get real. This was a personal vendetta by Rich Blankenship, the same person who became mayor promising change. The change he brought was the same corruption as before. The people have spoken, we do not support vendetta and we do not support the corruption you have continued.
The only period of moderate growth this city has seen in my lifetime was under Bob Cleary, who I believe has the cities best interest at heart, even if there is some small self interest with the bridge. Every one else has been more interested in keeping businesses and jobs out to protect their grasp on the city and on the citizen's money.
Posted by gramps (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Saying Mr. Cleary has a small self interest in the bridge is like calling the Mississippi river a stream. I will miss Mr. Johnson, who at least was trying to fix our drainage and water problems.
Posted by deathdealer (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
all the people who keep calling ms rist such a great cop and good person listen to yoursleves!! good cops dont keep their names in the news all the time. they get fired when they get dui's. they dont lie to scared citizens about phony tickets, and threaten about going to jail falsely. i knew a lot of good cops in this town and you rarely read about them in the newspapers! they kept their noses clean cause back then the union couldnt get your ass out of the sling everytime you got a case of the stupids. voters of ironton mark this day you will regret it
Posted by laughing (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The town of Ironton seriously cracks me up. Everyone of the residents in the town thinks someone or something owes them something. I sit back and take in all the stuff happening in Ironton and laugh....not a single person in Ironton can move on from the old days. It is sad when you hear so many people talking about Ironton and laughing at the stupid ignorant stuff that the citizens LIVE for. Move on people, there is a great big world out there, more than Ironton. The town is desperate for change but heaven forbid you actually move on past the so called "NAMES" of the towns folk.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is Rod from Kitts Hill. After reading the above messages from others in lawrence County I don't feel alone has for all the wrong doings done to my family. We moved to the area in 2001. Hired a local attorney to protect us in our investment of the land & house purchase. Our first few year was great and we met many great people. Soon Bizaar things started happening, we were sued for some of our land even though we had a warrented deed & even had a title examination done on the property. All this and we were still sued for an unmentioned amount of our land. The attorney that did our title search is the one that filed the suit against us. This person was so set on getting our land that the case lasted for years. We had a hard time getting help. We stood our grounds, Things got real scary and we left the area. Our house was burnt to the ground and ruled arson. Our property cost thousands to clear up the deed and we still can't do anything with it. Some people can have to much power. And for the post that says " everyone in Ironton thinks someone owes them " well let me say this. The elected & professionals do owe us something. They owe us integrety , honesty and respect. They should look at for all of us and not themselves. We the people can vote but we can't make the professionals be professional. Attorneys are Officers of the Court here to police the system because we give these people much power in these positions. If one abuses their power its almost impossible to stop, believe me, we know. We do want to return to Kitts Hill some day. Hopefully the system weeds out the bad-rotten apples. Not all attorney's or professionals are bad, many were very good to us but had no power to help. I might have found the help we all need. I'll keep everyone posted in the future. Its time for us to stand up for ourselves, we all owe this to each other. If your wondering if the attorney that filed the suit against us got the land well I'm proud to say NO, He lost the case he filed against his past client ,by his past client. More of this can be found in the Huntington tribune November 2-3 2009 edition, also found on the wedsite.
Posted by laughing (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rod your family does deserve honesty and respect and above all integrity, but you if aren't old school Ironton you aren't going to get it. I am trying my hardest to get out of this crazy town. I hate that you went through all that you did and pray that you find a solution and can again find peace in Kitts Hill.
Posted by riverrat (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
my aunt singled for Rist. when we ask her why,she said "She's got balls" and will stand up for people that have gotten crapped on,
Posted by FlightPath (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, if you got out voted ya have the right to voice your opinion in public!..If ya just sit on your tripple-wide tail in the double-wide and did'nt go vote, your voice and opinion is as worthless as a wet pop-tart!....So what she sued the city, both parties are at fault in one way or another...Big deal she sued and won in the past. Appears the looser in a lawsuit apparently was doing something wrong and was called to the mat for it!!...So, get over all that crapp, the VOTERS SPOKE!..Now, it's show-time and time for all that were elected to prove themselves!!...Good luck all..
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks laughing , I understand completly. Its like they (some) try and mess with people mentally, after all these people are trained professionals of a hire education. If your just an old former concrete worker now ebay seller like myself and have to deal with something you don't understand like property laws, attorney ethics and only have one of " them " to protect you, well I understand completly why you want out of a place like this. We had our American Dream almost complete , 36 acres of scenic property owned free and clear ,all to enjoy with our home business. I would feel safer in Mexico - inner city Chicago - or even prison compared to how I would feel on my own property at this point in time. Our home was robbed - burnt and even went has far as to dump a bunch of garbage in the creek just to make a statement because they knew how much we loved that property. All we ever did was not allow the attorney to alter our deed , after all he was the one that prepared the warrenty deed for and further gave clear title after his title examination.
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Did anyone listen to WSAZ's 11:00 news? There was a clip about Beth Rist and Mayor Blankenship.
The Mayor mumbled something about not being able to put Beth back to work because of her
probation. He failed to say the city had appealed the arbitrator's decision...that could take months .
I hope she gets off probation and finds a job someplace else. The news commentator read
a statement from Beth thanking the voters and her last sentence was awesome
"I AM GRATIFIED THE VOTERS REJECTED CITY HALL."
And they certainly did.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hi Folks, Rod again, I plan to take these blogs to the US Department Of Justice when I go to inform them of what happened to my family as mentioned in blogs above.. If you have something to say about Lawrence County, now might be the time, please be truthful.
Posted by LiVE (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That's dumb, she falsified a ticket, she doesn't deserve to be a cop if she can't uphold the laws with integrity. Then, despite all of that, the citizens voted her in to office? I would love to meet these people, my bet is a 1/4th are people who are friends of hers or are supporting a lesbian solely on that fact, which is wrong. 1/4th are people who want to see what will happen, like the people who stand around at car wrecks watching, not the fire/police/emt's, just the spectators. 1/4th are probably people who think they can use that to get out of a ticket if she's allowed to be a cop again. The final 1/4th who are people who think she will stand up for what they believe in.
I think it's sad we have so many people replying to this on the tribune, but we only had 6 people actually run for the office.
Rod, you need to find a better outlet for your "anger" this stuff you're talking about has nothing to do with this article. How could you possibly say you would feel safer in Mexico or prison than Kitts Hill? Put up a fence or hire me to install a security system. lol
Posted by LiVE (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at noon (Suggest removal)
LOL These blogs aren't going to do you any good in court, all they are, are you ranting about this stuff in your case. Why don't you just go tell them it, and save the paper, you'll no doubt use, to print these out.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks LiVE, The problem is that its hard to get this information out to the public and from the stories found in this blog is much of what my family has dealt with. I think the best people we can have are the honest people looking out for the community and I'm not informed on Rist. I just hope any elected official will do whats right for the community. As for the Mexico comment, I'm talking about my family in general. I lived in Kitts Hill and we felt safe enough to leave our doors unlocked at night. Untill I stood my grounds , I no longer feel safe. Anyplace
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LIVE - I do not believe it is people she let go from getting tickets.
Ask any councilman, she wrote more tickets than any other
of her co-workers. They will tell you she was the most productive
officer.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
These Blogs are not for court but for a chance to speak out. Believe you me I had official documents and they don't even help in some cases. I've been trying to get this story public for years. The story was partially mentioned in the Huntington paper on Nov 2-3 2009. Ironton Attorney faces Supreme Court Board.
Posted by LiVE (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rod, you should see someone that can help you get over that.
Summer, I have no idea if she was or was not productive, but now her integrity is in question, time to move on.
Posted by turbo (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A man told me last week his son was peeling out on 3rd street and an officer gave him a ticket. The dad told the officer he would give him a case of beer if he tore up the ticket. The dad smiled at me so I guess the officer tore up the ticket.
Live---IPD officer had a wreck in Ironton and was DUI. He was asked to resign and about a year later rehired him. He was not charged. So a ticket issue is not the problem. The problems are in the city buildng.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LiVE, any suggestions?
Posted by LiVE (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No the problem is the police chief not following through, we all know the stuff happens, so it's got to be 0% tolerance. If they make a mistake they should be held accountable. If you can prove those instances you should report them. I'm not saying Rist is 100% the only problem we have here, I'm saying that the repair has to start somewhere. Just because everyone is doing it, does not make it right. She was caught, she should be held accountable. What about the cop that hit the guy last year, wasn't he kicked out or forced to resign? We need to keep that trend going, give me 4 fair cops any day over 8 that can be bribed. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LiVE , I liked what you said , " the repair has to start somewhere. Just because everyone is doing it, does not make it right" . Great advice.
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
However, Rist did not harm anyone - nor did she gain anything.
She is a very caring person and that is what got her in trouble.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The system needs help , no question about that. Any person that's not afraid to stand up to the bad side and do whats right for the people has my support. Thats all that matters beyond all the words.
Posted by LiVE (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
She tampered with a ticket, how is that caring? She's doing exactly what shes not supposed to do. She also sued the city that she loves so much for $1 million dollars. She cares about one thing, being in the news.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A city should be ran by elected professionals, then no one would be able to file a suit against us tax payers because they would have no reason to file a suit if ran professionally.
Posted by charlie (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rod, where in the Dispatch can this be found?
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Live - you sound like a jealous co-worker...caring is helping
those less fortunate.... She won her case, yet her unfair treatment is continuing.
The Mayor and Chief continue to deny her workers' compensation even though she won her arbitration July 13.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Charlie , If you go to the Huntington harald dispatch website and go to the Ohio news section and the story ran on the 2-3 of Novemeber a few days ago. You might notice the blogging option is missing on the 3rd
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Charlie , I just checked the site and noticed they ran two different stories on the 2nd and again on the 3rd
Posted by LiVE (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not a jealous coworker, and I'm definitely not a cop. How did she help someone less fortunate? If that woman would have hit your car, while driving with no insurance, would you not hold her accountable because shes less fortunate?
Also how could she have jealous co workers when shes unemployed?
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We all need to work together for the better cause. Lets stay focused on the big picture. We need to swap out the bad with the good. The system does work we just need the ones that run it, to run it right
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
She helped someone less fortunate by not having her car towed
away. Instead she called her family to send someone to drive
her home.
As I said before, I know Beth and she is a very caring person.
Posted by LiVE (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Then you are being biased because you know her. For the record she let someone else drive the car who didn't have insurance either.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LiVE - summerrain , If you have seen what I have down their with some you would think the car-towing problem as a Mayberry story with Andy.
Posted by summerrain (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Do not know all the facts so that is why I assume you are on the police force and you will be her co-worker soon.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not the police force , THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE AND IT TAKES ALL OF US TO WORK TOGETHER ,TO CREATE THAT POWER.
Posted by rocky88 (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
u people need to get real she sues our city not once but twice that makes a good person ha ha!! I have lived here for 25 yrs, and i think the mayor has done a wonderful job!! Keep up the good work and you people need to realize we need to work together and stop this crap WORK FOR OUR TOWN, dont sue it!!
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Double the reason we need professionals to run the city,county. You would think if everyone followed the rules their would be no reason for the tax payers to be sued.
Posted by nottellin (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Someone who doesn't live here... ABANDONED the home they "love" so much really has no business telling anyone anything.
This is not making Ironton stronger, it is killing the town. They "fee" and "tax" their residents to death. Now, they're going to have a council member who is ONLY going to cause havoc. Nothing will be done between the mayor's idiocy and rist's pmsing over the "unjustice" of those who expect her to actually UPHOLD the law... Ironton is so screwed.
Posted by 4victims (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Has anyone heard about the latest coal grove thing. Will that be in the paper?
Posted by buckfan4life2 (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey laughing! all you do is put down everything about Ironton, Why? it kills me all of you outsiders that hate this town thinks that anyone cares what you have to say. And to top it all off in an Ironton paper. You peoples life must be pitiful to sit around and post things on here that has nothing to do with you. Go back in your little cave, pull you up a rock and just think about it.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
nottellin, Family saftey is more important to me. You might want to check the Huntington paper story (website) on 2nd-3rd of this month , in the Ohio news section - " Ironton Attorney Faces Supreme Court Board" . I follow the law and if not protected by the people that should be protecting leaves me with no logical protection for my family. After all it sounds like we have the same goals, why would you turn any help away to fix Ironton since you think its in such bad shape?
What happened in Coal Grove?
Posted by Guess (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
4Victims , What Coal Grove thing?
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
People that own property in the county and are not current residents also pay property tax. Mine I guess is cheaper because we no longer pay taxes for the burnt to the ground house but in truth I do pay taxes on my two caves located on the property. ALSO some people can work and blog at the same time.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Like I mentioned earlier today , I'll make sure to carry this blog page with me on my road to justice. Hopefully the help needed will come soon because this has been one long road. Time to tell all. but only the truth please.
Posted by laughing (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 9:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Buckfan see what I mean about the people in Ironton can't step out into the real world....you keep hiding behind the Ironton wall. I do happen to live in Ironton and the 9 years I have lived here all I have seen is a bunch of cry babies running around talking crap about how this is unfair and that is unfair but never ever will do a single thing about it. Election time comes around and boom you vote for the NAME because it is the Ironton way. I promise when I say that this town is one of a kind....sorta like Stepford. I don't care if you live in your little bubble, but it is FUNNY!!!!! So when I get the chance to crawl in my cave and pull up my rock believe me I am going to. It will be one heck of a celebration in my cave.....good riddance Ironton!
Posted by OLDad (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
who cares...they are going to do what they want to...its been happening for years....hey rod was your attorney lambert? just what the kids need to see...break the law and get praised for it..good job ironton
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OLDad, I thought he was, I paid the fees he charged for his services in full. Thought I had a warrented deed & he prepared a title search for me and said everything was free and clear. 4 years later he ask if he could correct my warrented deed by subtracting some land. I said no of coarse. He then prepared and filed a quit tiltle suit against me and ask for all the land from our 36 acre parcel that was located on one side of a road and 2.21 acres plus he asked the courts to make me pay all the attorney fees and cost. Many years later we won the case on our own in the Ironton Court with very little help. It was a nightmare, trust me on that. Nothing my kids needed to see or live. But I still tell them to have faith in the system. Some day we hope to return to our land out on sharps creek rd ( c-19) in Kitts Hill. we lived about a mile from the top of the hill before Homless rd
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Forgot to mention that the case number on the quit title suit is recorded in the Lawrence Courts as 05-0C -305. I was even ordered to give a depostion to him thats transcribed and on record .Through the years 5 attorneys were involved, 2 resigned from the case and one finally recused himself. I had to write my own motion to end the case and bring a Dayton attorney to get my motion through the courts. All found on court records in the county.
By the way , In the story in the Huntington paper ( Nov 2nd , 3rd) lambert said I lied about something , well I'm here to answer any questions he might have that would discredit anything I have said.
Posted by OLDad (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sounds like he wanted it , some one of interest wanted it or some one in his family...his family has been in politics for yrs in law. co. his dad was a commisioner i believe...nothing surprises me out of that bunch in ironton
Posted by eclipse (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nothing in Ironton is going to change, it dosent matter who was elected to serve. But i don't think someone that has a lawsuit with the city should be able to serve. Just my opionon..
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
back about 4 years after we bought the place we leased our mineral rights to a gas drilling company that was in the area and they told me some big pockets were found out in that area deep under ground of gas/oil, maybe. I guess they do this with satilite some way. I'm not sure if anything is under the ground but I was told the deeds are so messed up that no companies wants get involved with the new leases. Hopefully others in the area have a better prepared deed then mine.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I updated the comments in the blog section of the Story found in the Huntington Hareld Tribune Ohio news section.
IRONTON LAWYER FACING SUPREME COURT BOARD
appearing 2 times ON Nov 2nd with comments. The Nov 3 running of the story has no place to leave comments.
Comments welcome
Posted by Retro (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/ohio...
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I Thank you very much, That makes it much easier to find this important news story, all you have to do is click-on the link above.
Posted by riverrat (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rod, answer the phone, some people are trying to reach you with info. that may help YOU! check your ID
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My email is rodmax2@yahoo.com. Just been to busy for the phone, Sorry.
Posted by flo (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
with this such a big story in the Huntington paper, why didn't the Ironton Tribune do a story on it. also?
It comes back to who you know.
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I informed them of this in advance.
This is why I put the info in this story.
Wish they would do a story that lets the people "speak out" .
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 8, 2009 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.irontontribune.com/news/2009/...
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 8, 2009 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
flo, I provided the link above for your question
Posted by sandi6353 (anonymous) on November 8, 2009 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I do not live in Ironton any more but I do work in Ironton. I also handed out cards at the poles for Dave Frazer. I took off work to do this because I feel Dave will be an asset to the City of Ironton as a council member. I am tired of hearing people bad mouth Beth Rist. She won fair and square and it's very obvious the people of Ironton want her on the council. Give her a chance. It's easy for people to bad mouth the council members and criticize everything they do but how many of you have ever been to a council meeting? Do you actually know what goes on? They can not perform miracles. If you all didn't know, we are in a recession or at least I've been told we are. If anyone can get this city out of it's financial problems, Dave Frazer can. Just listen to his suggestions and I guarantee if you do, he has some good ideas. He can be irritating at times but he usually knows what he is talking about. I just hope the recount comes out in his favor. Good Luck Dave!!!!!
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 9, 2009 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Telephone friend , I took a quick look and it looks like you were done like me. Our Supreme Court of Ohio has much helpful information . It's an easy way to see the rules and how "some" have to play by the rules. I'll keep in touch.
http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 9, 2009 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Another good site packed full of info, free for the taking.
http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/Discipl...
Posted by Rod (anonymous) on November 9, 2009 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/LegalRe...
Posted by JKBPEYTON (anonymous) on November 12, 2009 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. -George Santayana
The exact words that came to my mind when I read the title.
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